* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 12:43 PM:
Jeff ,, terrified of underwater cables? I don't believe I ever posted that.

You twice mentioned them as reasons not cruise one of the most
beautiful rivers on the East Coast. I can understand being a bit
nervous about the Reversing Falls, or the 20 foot tides, or even the
fog, but underwater cables? Give me a break!


I have never encountered them where I sail.

Cable ferries were once quite common, but now there are not too many
still operating. Cables in general, are of course, quite common.

And I may be wrong, but the river up to Fredericton looks more like 65
nm than 90. In any case, its considered to be gorgeous cruising
grounds, the real reason to go to St. John.

Once again you show what a twurp you are. Rather than post something of
value, you attack.

I thought that mentioning that "kts per hour" is a really stupid
phrase to use might be a value to some novices who don't want to look
like a fool.

Tell ya what .. why don't you try Niagra Falls.

Do you mean "Niagara Falls"? A lovely spot. I've even been boating
there, but I let someone else drive:
http://www.maidofthemist.com/en/




"Jeff" wrote in message
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* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/17/2007 10:34 AM:
Terry K ,, at the schedule you just posted; the trip to Fredericton and
back to St John is a one month journey.

Does it take two weeks to get from St John to Fredericton? I looked on
google and it is about 90 miles from St John to Fredericton.

I would think; 60*D=S*T
60*90=5*T
should take : 18 hours

60*90=5400
divided by 5kts per hour

equal = 1080 minutes
equal 1080 divide by 60 = 18 hours of cruising at 5 kts per hour

18 divide by 6 hours per day = 3 days

Am I missing something? I would think Roger would be able to get to
Fredericton in 3 days, spend 3 days at the festival and then 3-4 days
return to St John.

The whole trip would be less than two weeks.

Is that what you are saying?
Kts per hour??? are you talking about acceleration?

And why are you terrified of underwater cables? Do you imagine that they
are trip wires that the locals pull taut whenever a foreign boat goes by?
As for the Reversing Falls, that's always been a goal of mine. I don't
think we'll get there this year, but maybe in a few.

Roger,

Have you seen the reversing falls?

I have not been through it in a boat but have eaten lunch at the
overlook restaurant a couple of times.

It is hard to compare locations from your photo but............from what
I can see, the photo you attached is mild compared to reversing falls.

Your decision one way or the other. Best of luck.

Howard

Roger Long wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:

I don't want to read "boat caught in reversing falls" in the Portland
Press.

I've been through hairer place than that:

http://home.maine.rr.com/bmssez/06C8.htm

and not to mention many passages through the infamous Woods Hole, my old
front yard. I remember getting into the channel just as a tug and barge
coming down current the other way hit some eddy and the barge swung out
to one side taking up most of the channel. I eased over into a cove in
the rocks and let the main out so that the speed dropped to just match
the current. We held position over the ground, still making impressive
speed through the water, with the rocks close ahead, astern, and along
side. The tug boat swept by gunning it's engines and blowing clouds of
black smoke attempting to get the barge back in line as I juggled sail
trim and rudder. The beautiful woman who was with me said, "I am very
impressed." A year or two later though, she married the tugboat
captain, evidence perhaps that size (of boats) does matter. I've always
felt that it isn't what you have but what you do with it and how that
matters but it didn't do the trick this time.

Free mooring in Nantucket eh? Clearly you are pleasanter to some people
than many of your posts here would indicate.

Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Ken Heaton, Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia" wrote
in message Hey Don, There are two I know of on Cape Breton alone,
Englishtown,
St. Annes Bay you mentioned and Little Narrows on Whycocomagh Bay,
Bras d'Or lakes. On mainland Nova Scotia, there's Country Harbour
Ferry and LaHave Ferry.

http://marinas.com/browse/ferry/CA/NS/

Thanks Ken...I was looking for pictures of the Lahave ferry with no
results.... I see it's under East Lahave.
I should have remembered the ferry at Little Narrows...we were there fall
of 2005. Is it still running?


Woops... the gears just started meshing... I remembered the big church on
one side. This was the ferry we took We avoided the Englishtown Ferry by
driving around the southern end of St. Ann's bay as we headed up to do the
Cabot Trail counterclockwise.



In Belize we went across a hand powered cable ferry to get from the main
road to Spanish Lookout. Spanish Lookout is an area where a bunch of
Canadian Mennonites have settled and turned the countryside into highly
productive farmland.

The ferry can take 2 cars at a time, maybe three. The time I was on it
we had 2 cars and two trucks (pick ups) with about half the Belizian
army on board. They fit the extra vehicles by parking on the ramps
overhanging the ferry. One old guy winching away on a big old wheel.
First over,then back. All day long.

I couldn't get a picture because of my wife screaming about death and
retribution the whole way. Life in the other lane!

"Howard" wrote

It is hard to compare locations from your photo but............from what I
can see, the photo you attached is mild compared to reversing falls.


You are quite right. The photo, like most photos of rough water, doesn't
begin to do it justice. The picture was actually taken looking towards the
difficult part.

Take a look at this chart section:

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/HellGate.jpg

You would have a hard time turning a 30 foot boat around at slack water in
the narrow part to the left of the 10. Note the rocks indicated on the
bottom over which the current runs at 4 - 5 knots. This is only the Upper
Hell Gate. The lower one often has a visible drop of a several feet similar
to the reversing falls but only in one direction.

The bridge clearances and water depths for the St. John are suitable for
larger vessels than could ever get through the Hell Gates so I can't imagine
the reversing falls are too tight.

Not many sailboats go through the Hell Gates. I did extensive planning to
be sure of doing it at high slack water. I still don't know how I managed
to hit it at maximum flow but I suspect the tide tables on the web site I
looked at use an algorithim that doesn't take the complex local differences
in channel water level into account. I've since discovered that there are
some dedicated current prediction sites for this spot.

If you are ever in this part of Maine though, it is a passage not to be
missed.

--
Roger Long