"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard

* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 4:02 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on groceries.

Perhaps you should read your own sources rather than make up "data."
Here's the sheet for FL:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/fl%20pr.pdf

The poorest 20% are paying 14.4% of their income, mostly in sales tax.
In MA, the lowest group only spends 9.3%.

Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't let any
homes get built.

You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax, the
"Big Dig" corruption,,,,

You are out of your F'n mind.

Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving? The
employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

You should consider therapy.


What a joke,,,


I'm sure Ted Kennedy is drinking to your stupidity.


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"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 4:02 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the standardized
tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of the states.
Crime rates are well below the national average, with one of the
lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide rate is almost
the lowest in the country. The major health care systems are rated
amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its best
if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling at
their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state. In
fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95% of
the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Perhaps you should read your own sources rather than make up "data."
Here's the sheet for FL:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/fl%20pr.pdf

The poorest 20% are paying 14.4% of their income, mostly in sales tax. In
MA, the lowest group only spends 9.3%.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:JdjJh.12969$d8.8282@trndny07...
Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't
let any homes get built.

You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax,
the "Big Dig" corruption,,,,

You are out of your F'n mind.

Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving?
The employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

You should consider therapy.


What a joke,,,


I'm sure Ted Kennedy is drinking to your stupidity.

No wonder the Cape Cod Orca stays constantly drunk. If he's drinking to
Jeff's stupidity there's plenty enough to keep even Old Kennedy
plastered. Jeff is your typical brainwashed liberal. He feels good when
he pays taxes. Liberals have been taught they've got to pay taxes until
it hurts so the likes of Kennedy and Kerry can live the good life.

Wilbur Hubbard

* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 5:02 PM:
Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't let any
homes get built.

So, are you claiming everyone is living in tents?

Why do you think housing is so expensive here? Maybe its because
people want to live here.


You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax, the

As I've already shown, these taxes are lower than the national average.

"Big Dig" corruption,,,,
Yes, well, it kept half the state employed for ten years. And now we
have a great system.


You are out of your F'n mind.

You're the one with the serious reality problem.


Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving? The
employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

And yet, our departed Republican Gov is claiming he "turned the state
around." Are you claiming he made it worse?


You should consider therapy.

Why? Because my world is reality based?



I'm a joke,,,

we never could have guessed.

Jeff ,, let me take these one at a time...

Housing? No, people don't want to live in Mass. The population has
declined, in fact the state may lose at least one but maybe two Congressman
because of this.

The Big Dig a great system? Tell that to the lady who was killed when the
tunnel collapsed on her car.

The Ted Williams tunnel leaks! It is just a matter of time before the whole
tunnel goes ...

The former Governor Romney got out because he could not govern. The Dems
control the state.

The new Governor is a pathetic joke. He gets himself a Caddy, hires a
secretary for his wife at $72,000 per year, his wife goes nuts,

He writes letters of questionable legality ... and he has just started!

If you have any opportunity ..

GET OUT .. save yourself.

Mass is about to go down the tubes. As soon as the economy goes a little
south, Mass will be the big pits.


Even fat Teddy K can't save this sinking ship.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 5:02 PM:
Jeff ,,, really man ... you are making a complete fool of yourself.

The poor in Mass can't afford a home. Why? Because the state won't let
any homes get built.

So, are you claiming everyone is living in tents?

Why do you think housing is so expensive here? Maybe its because people
want to live here.


You throw in the income tax, sales tax, excise tax, real estate tax, the

As I've already shown, these taxes are lower than the national average.

"Big Dig" corruption,,,,
Yes, well, it kept half the state employed for ten years. And now we have
a great system.


You are out of your F'n mind.

You're the one with the serious reality problem.


Mass sucks! It is corrupt. Why do you think Fidelity is leaving? The
employees I have spoken to can't get out of Mass
quick enough.

And yet, our departed Republican Gov is claiming he "turned the state
around." Are you claiming he made it worse?


You should consider therapy.

Why? Because my world is reality based?



I'm a joke,,,

we never could have guessed.

* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 10:21 PM:
Jeff ,, let me take these one at a time...

Housing? No, people don't want to live in Mass. The population has
declined,

According to who? Not the official census.

in fact the state may lose at least one but maybe two Congressman
because of this.

If by "declined" you mean not growing as fast as some other parts of
the country, you're right.



The Big Dig a great system? Tell that to the lady who was killed when the
tunnel collapsed on her car.

A tragedy indeed. But everyone here understands that the Big Dig
replaces the most deadly stretch of interstate highway in the country.
Probably half a dozen people are alive today that would have died
on the old system.

In addition, think of the people that used to die of old age in the
traffic jams ...



The Ted Williams tunnel leaks! It is just a matter of time before the whole
tunnel goes ...

You must realize that the Ted Williams tunnel was built in Baltimore.



The former Governor Romney got out because he could not govern.

That's an understatement! And he wants to be president???

The Dems control the state.

God bless em!

GET OUT .. save yourself.

I've been planning to head south when my daughter get through school.
But if you'll promise to stay away, I might just hang out a while
longer.

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running the
state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any of
the states. Crime rates are well below the national average, with
one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our suicide
rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health care
systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this: http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that the
most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain taxable
items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the report is a
"standard form" that the web site offers for just about every state.
In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal burden shared by 95%
of the state. And, the local tax on the poor is 20% lower than the
national average, one of the lowest in the country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales taxes
are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard
But boy do they stick it to you with property taxes in insurance!

"krj" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* Wilbur Hubbard wrote, On 3/12/2007 3:10 PM:

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
* NE Sailboat wrote, On 3/12/2007 11:02 AM:
Take a look at Massachusetts .. The Democrats have been running
the state forever.

And, because of that, we have a local tax burden lower than the
national average. We have one of the best school systems in the
country, with the highest ratings on all four of the the
standardized tests (reading and math, 4th and 8th grades) of any
of the states. Crime rates are well below the national average,
with one of the lowest murder rates in the country. Also, our
suicide rate is almost the lowest in the country. The major health
care systems are rated amongst the best in the country.


It sure looks like the Dems made a mess of things. I suppose its
best if you stayed well clear.


I guess you haven't read this:
http://www.itepnet.org/wp2000/ma%20pr.pdf

Like I said, a rich ruling class and a poor working class groveling
at their feet. Socialism is alive and well in Taxachussetts.

Wilbur Hubbard

I guess you didn't read that report yourself. All it says is that
the most wealthy don't spend as much of their incomes on certain
taxable items, especially sales tax or excise tax items. And, the
report is a "standard form" that the web site offers for just about
every state. In fact, MA is actually quite fair, with an equal
burden shared by 95% of the state. And, the local tax on the poor
is 20% lower than the national average, one of the lowest in the
country.

Compare this to your state. Florida is listed as the second most
regressive, with the local tax on the poor over 50% higher than
Massachusetts!

Its pretty clear you have neither the inclination nor ability to
actually determine the truth about even simple issues.

Get a clue, man. Florida has NO income tax. Zero, zip, nada. Sales
taxes are in line with most other states and there is no sales tax on
groceries.

Wilbur Hubbard
But boy do they stick it to you with property taxes in insurance!


So, is there anybody forcing a body to own property and to insure it?
No! Well, I thought so. As long as owning property is a choice then you
choose to pay property taxes and you choose to insure it. If you borrow
to buy then you're also forced to insure the property. It's as simple as
that. Now, if people were forced to own property then had to pay
property taxes and insurance, that would be a different story
altogether. It seems to me if there's any such thing as a fair tax then
property tax sure fits the bill.

It seems correct to me the more property and the more expensive property
you own you should be taxed on it on a percentage basis. Same percentage
whether your property is worth fifty grand or fifty million grand. But
there is help for the lower income folks. There is a 25K homestead
exemption soon to go up to 50K on which the property owner pays not one
thin dime. This helps out the low income people and sticks it to the
rich. Boy are the rich ****s ever complaining and lobbying AGAINST the
doubling of the homestead exemption. Seems like they don't mind
sticking it to the poor but when they have to pay for their mansions
they balk.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
...

So, is there anybody forcing a body to own property and to insure it? No!
Well, I thought so. As long as owning property is a choice then you choose
to pay property taxes and you choose to insure it. If you borrow to buy
then you're also forced to insure the property. It's as simple as that.
Now, if people were forced to own property then had to pay property taxes
and insurance, that would be a different story altogether. It seems to me
if there's any such thing as a fair tax then property tax sure fits the
bill.

It seems correct to me the more property and the more expensive property
you own you should be taxed on it on a percentage basis. Same percentage
whether your property is worth fifty grand or fifty million grand. But
there is help for the lower income folks. There is a 25K homestead
exemption soon to go up to 50K on which the property owner pays not one
thin dime. This helps out the low income people and sticks it to the rich.
Boy are the rich ****s ever complaining and lobbying AGAINST the doubling
of the homestead exemption. Seems like they don't mind sticking it to the
poor but when they have to pay for their mansions they balk.

Wilbur Hubbard

The ability to own the land one lives upon is one of the most basic and
vital sources of, and expressions of, liberty. And you act as if it's
nothing more than a privilege? Hardly seems consistent with your usual
politics.