NE Sailboat wrote:

It is a Voyager Windvane.. here is the web site connect:
http://www.voyagerwindvanes.com/Voyager/index.aspx

Could you take a look. Post what your opinion is. Or send me a
direct mail.

As a designer of things marine, I find the simplicity and elegance of the
Cape Horn very appealing, both in appearance and function. They have
certainly proven themselves and the one I am installing is 20 pounds lighter
than the Voyager. That counts for something when it's way out on, beyond
actually, the end of the boat.

The mounting tube of the Cape Horn, with it's struts on the inside, make for
a very strong attachement. I'm not too enthusiastic about the clunky
looking bracket of the Voyager although I'm sure it's actually strong enough
and probably works well. The Cape Horn is so clean and simple it looks like
the boat was designed with it instead of something bolted on later.

The Cape Horn will work just as well with a tiller as a wheel. That is
certainly no reason to pick one over the other. You should get Yves
information packet before deciding. It comes with a DVD of his around the
world sail that is well worth watching. I find videos of other people
sailing almost as boring as videos of other people having sex but I enjoyed
every minute of this one.

--
Roger Long

Roger ,, I've talked to Yves, or maybe his son. And I agree with you that
the Cape Horn is a very sweet vane.

I just like the Voyager for the way it would sit on my boat and with my
tiller.

I did send the owner of Voyage a note asking if he shows his product at boat
shows. So far, no reply. I only sent it today.

Did you look at the other models of vanes? The Monitor seems like a popular
model. Another one I like is the Saye's Rig.

I will probably put this off but I keep looking ... and looking.




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NE Sailboat wrote:

It is a Voyager Windvane.. here is the web site connect:
http://www.voyagerwindvanes.com/Voyager/index.aspx

Could you take a look. Post what your opinion is. Or send me a
direct mail.

As a designer of things marine, I find the simplicity and elegance of the
Cape Horn very appealing, both in appearance and function. They have
certainly proven themselves and the one I am installing is 20 pounds
lighter than the Voyager. That counts for something when it's way out on,
beyond actually, the end of the boat.

The mounting tube of the Cape Horn, with it's struts on the inside, make
for a very strong attachement. I'm not too enthusiastic about the clunky
looking bracket of the Voyager although I'm sure it's actually strong
enough and probably works well. The Cape Horn is so clean and simple it
looks like the boat was designed with it instead of something bolted on
later.

The Cape Horn will work just as well with a tiller as a wheel. That is
certainly no reason to pick one over the other. You should get Yves
information packet before deciding. It comes with a DVD of his around the
world sail that is well worth watching. I find videos of other people
sailing almost as boring as videos of other people having sex but I
enjoyed every minute of this one.

--
Roger Long

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:51:55 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Did you look at the other models of vanes? The Monitor seems like a popular
model. Another one I like is the Saye's Rig.

I will probably put this off but I keep looking ... and looking.

Are you convinced that you really need wind vane self steering?

For coastal cruising I have found the small tiller pilots easier to
use, much easier to install, and less expensive.

Wayne ,, I suppose I really don't need a vane. But I have always wanted
one. I just like the idea of a natural way of steering using the wind,
point of sail,etc.

Kinda nuts I guess.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:51:55 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Did you look at the other models of vanes? The Monitor seems like a
popular
model. Another one I like is the Saye's Rig.

I will probably put this off but I keep looking ... and looking.

Are you convinced that you really need wind vane self steering?

For coastal cruising I have found the small tiller pilots easier to
use, much easier to install, and less expensive.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:07:16 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Wayne ,, I suppose I really don't need a vane. But I have always wanted
one. I just like the idea of a natural way of steering using the wind,
point of sail,etc.

Kinda nuts I guess.

I felt the same way at one time, having always had a fascination for
complex mechanical assemblies. There is definitely something cool
about the appearance of the older vanes. It was also the mark of a
boat that had been places.

The installation effort looks like a nightmare however, and you end up
with a lot of weight and clutter on the stern, all of it highly
exposed to the elements and docking mishaps. There is also a certain
hazzard involved. I believe it was either Hal Roth's wife or Lin
Pardey who once got her hand caught up in the mechanism, causing
serious injury of course.

Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:07:16 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:


Wayne ,, I suppose I really don't need a vane. But I have always wanted
one. I just like the idea of a natural way of steering using the wind,
point of sail,etc.

Kinda nuts I guess.


I felt the same way at one time, having always had a fascination for
complex mechanical assemblies. There is definitely something cool
about the appearance of the older vanes. It was also the mark of a
boat that had been places.

The installation effort looks like a nightmare however, and you end up
with a lot of weight and clutter on the stern, all of it highly
exposed to the elements and docking mishaps. There is also a certain
hazzard involved. I believe it was either Hal Roth's wife or Lin
Pardey who once got her hand caught up in the mechanism, causing
serious injury of course.


Don't some windvanes also have their own rudder to
steer the boat? That's a serious advantage in the
event of a main steering or rudder failure in
heavy seas.

Don W.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 17:13:14 GMT, Don W
wrote:

Don't some windvanes also have their own rudder to
steer the boat? That's a serious advantage in the
event of a main steering or rudder failure in
heavy seas.

Yes, for offshore bluewater sailing that is a nice plus, and of course
those are the conditions where a windvane adds a lot of value as a
self steering system.

For coastal cruising however a redundant rudder is really not all that
necessary.

Yes, I have a hydrovane which has it's own rudder.

Courtney
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Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:07:16 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:


Wayne ,, I suppose I really don't need a vane. But I have always wanted
one. I just like the idea of a natural way of steering using the wind,
point of sail,etc.

Kinda nuts I guess.


I felt the same way at one time, having always had a fascination for
complex mechanical assemblies. There is definitely something cool
about the appearance of the older vanes. It was also the mark of a
boat that had been places.

The installation effort looks like a nightmare however, and you end up
with a lot of weight and clutter on the stern, all of it highly
exposed to the elements and docking mishaps. There is also a certain
hazzard involved. I believe it was either Hal Roth's wife or Lin
Pardey who once got her hand caught up in the mechanism, causing
serious injury of course.


Don't some windvanes also have their own rudder to
steer the boat? That's a serious advantage in the
event of a main steering or rudder failure in
heavy seas.

Don W.

Roger Long wrote:
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roger would it be ok to email re the horn vane...?
Shaun

Sure.

Meanwhile, here is my current installation plan. Note that not one part of
the vane will be visible above deck and inboard of the rail. I will open up
the seat locker for access to the two lines that connect, disconnect, and
adjust the vane. If I get tired of doing that, I can always lead the lines
through to cam cleats in the cockpit. That just means more rope underfoot
and more confusion so I think opening up the seat locker will work out best.

http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Windvane.pdf

Aft of the rail, everything will be about as clean and uncluttered as
anything like this could ever be.

I've already purchased the ST1000 tiller pilot that will also go in the
Lazarette. The Cape Horn has an extension on the shaft that controls the
servo paddle with a lever. A shock cord will be anchored and tied into a
loop on a line that goes to the tiller pilot shaft. Under power, I'll just
drop the loop over the end of the shaft and turn on the tiller pilot which
will then drive the servo pendulum. To disconnect the autopilot in an
emergency, just reach in and pop the line off the lever or release the
control lines for the vane itself.

I got a temporary deal on the autopilot and it came with a remote dodger
unit on a cable long enough that I will be able to walk forward on watch for
lobster pots. Another steering mode will be to stand at the stern and just
manipulate the windvane by hand.

--
Roger Long