Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:
I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

When the jerk who owns the place gets done fixing everything I break, steal,
sabotage .. he will need $500 per day just to go back into business.


I think I would start with the "leachfield flush" if he has a septic system.
A little added bonus for his septic .. buy the time he has the contractor
there getting it fixed, and also spending a fortune I will be far far away.

Now, if this is city sewer, well then it is "pipe time" .. Nothing like
digging up the **** pipe to ruin the business owner's day.

Another fun thing to do for people like this is to invite a guest into the
restroom for the night. Not a two legged guest .. oh nooooo. A nasty
dirty, will probably take the health department weeks to recertify guest.

======
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?

Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

In article MyMAh.6408$2%1.4335@trndny02,
NE Sailboat wrote:
For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

When the jerk who owns the place gets done fixing everything I break, steal,
sabotage .. he will need $500 per day just to go back into business.

I once paid $ 90 for one day ($ 3 per foot).

http://www.ldlcasino.com/staying/accommodations/

ron
--
Ron Roberts or Phone (512) 219-0043
Usenet invented "no controlling legal authority."

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:



I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Feb 14, 6:38 pm, krj wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:

I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

OK, back off people. Consider the bizarre prices on coastal real
estate and you realize that there is nearly no way a marina can make
money if they have recently bought the place. Here is the problem:
All of us Florida residents who do not live near the coast are
subsidizing the real cost of insuring property on th coast. This
means that coastal property has become a no-risk investment driving up
the cost of property that used to be used for marinas. The cure for
this is to allow the insurers to charge the real cost of insuring
property on the coast while cutting the costs for those who live far
from the coast. I am tired of living frugally so I can help insure
million dollar mansions on MY SHORES.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Feb 14, 6:59 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:38 pm, krj wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Feb 14, 4:42 pm, "capt.bill11" wrote:
On Feb 14, 5:31 pm, "Frogwatch" wrote:

I am not sure I really understand what is broken on her but it seems
to be an issue of access to an area that has broken loose from the
hull inside. I see no reason why this cannot be fixed quickly and I'd
have perfect confidence in such a fix. He seems to have problems with
getting the part that has torn loose to be pressed against the hull
but that is no problem, simply a matter of pressure X area. Put a
large inner tube in the boat and inflate it to press the part against
the inner hull. The inner tube will conform to whatever it is
pressing against.
I bet that where it is torn loose is so rough that even a secondary
bond will be as strong as a primary one.
You can get your epoxy in any viscosity you like, put it in one of
those plastic sprayers used to spray insecticide onto bushes and use
the thin metal wand to spray it in there.
Now, get that boat outa the Keys or at least outa the boat yard. For
$500/wk you haul her all the way up here to N. FL and save money and
put her in a storage lot and fix her there. Live in a tent at a
travel trailer park or move from State Park to State Park till you can
move back aboard. Embrace the castaway lifestyle.
Skip, you got screwed but lets get some optimism back here and get
this thing done. You wanted adventure, you got it, not what you
planned but you sure got a good story. If your bad heart didnt give
up when this happed, your prob alright. Plus, riding bikes for
transport has gotta be good for you. Re-arrange yer thinking when
fixing her, settle for strong but looks like hell over finely done.
Resale value is never a reall issue for sailboats and you shouldnt
care about that now. Is your standing rigging really that messed up?
Do you really need a car in the Keys? Most places will deliver stuff
and you have bikes. Consider a scooter as if you were college kids.
Not much I can do from way up here in Tallahassee but when you decide
how to fix her I'll chip in a couple gals of epoxy as a tribute to
stubborn optimism. I'll be in the Keys sometime in March and if
you're still there I'll drop by and say Hi.
Anybody else have any good suggestions for strong quick fixes?
Right on Frogwatch!

Fix the rudder and motor it to Indiantown. They have even got a camp
ground on site. Gotta be cheaper than the Keys.

http://www.indiantownmarina.com/

Capt Bill:

Thanks, you answered a question I had about my boat. I wanted to know
the cost of putting her on the hard at Indiantown if I sail her down
there.
However, $450/month for a slip, MY GOD THATS HIGH. I thought I was
getting screwed here at $205/month. I can get a slip at St. Marks, FL
on fresh water for less than $150/month.

I checked on a slip in Stewart, FL be cause we were thinking of moving
there. The cheapest I could find for a 38' boat was $800/mo + elec and
water. And there was a waiting list of at least 1 year.
krj

OK, back off people. Consider the bizarre prices on coastal real
estate and you realize that there is nearly no way a marina can make
money if they have recently bought the place. Here is the problem:
All of us Florida residents who do not live near the coast are
subsidizing the real cost of insuring property on th coast. This
means that coastal property has become a no-risk investment driving up
the cost of property that used to be used for marinas. The cure for
this is to allow the insurers to charge the real cost of insuring
property on the coast while cutting the costs for those who live far
from the coast. I am tired of living frugally so I can help insure
million dollar mansions on MY SHORES.

OK, here is an interesting discussion of epoxy secondary bonding.
http://www.acmanet.org/cm/1006/feature_a1006.cfm
It says that a tie coat can be used of some type of vinylester resin.
I doubt this would be useful to "Flying Pig" However, it also says
that a secondary bond of epoxy to polyester is roughly 80% the
strength of the underlying laminate. If possible to fill the gap with
epoxy, I'd put my faith in it. Put this in perspective, even a Mac 26
is probably strong enough to go through a big hurricane if it was
sealed up. No matter what Skip does to Flying Pig, she's gonna be
stronger in a storm than he is.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

You obviously have *no* idea what water front property in the Keys is
worth , or how much it costs to carry it.

All of us boaters are lucky that it has not yet been converted to
condos or a resort.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

You don't know what the f...k I know about waterfront property so don't
assume what you don't know.


As for the "lucky that it has .." bull****.

If we boaters would get off our collective asses and use some political
muscle maybe the government which is taking our money and propping up the
thieves who are living, and running businesses there would not get away with
the crap they are doing.

If the government is going to take our taxes, but then let greed take away
our marinas, or block us from the water .. why are we paying the taxes?

I swear; I am so sick of this country. I've never seen this nation so
F,,ked up. We are building power plants for Arabs who hate us, yet an
American in his sailboat runs aground and he is nothing but a target for an
unscrupulous marina?

Why are Americans dying in Iraq? For freedom? The American way? To make
the world a better place?

Well,,, what about right here. What about in the Florida Keys?

================================================== ===





"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

You obviously have *no* idea what water front property in the Keys is
worth , or how much it costs to carry it.

All of us boaters are lucky that it has not yet been converted to
condos or a resort.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

"Rick B." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

All well and good, but $2000 per month on the hard just for workspace is
outrageous.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard ..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.


-------------
"Rick B." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:49:45 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Rick B." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

All well and good, but $2000 per month on the hard just for workspace is
outrageous.

True. However, I think SKip is more a victum of being to honest for
his own good perhaps? People like that will often get taken advantage
of, unfortunately.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:53 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard ..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.


-------------
"Rick B." wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

No bragging, just trying to offer a different POV. Skip's doing the
right thing, getting the boat out of there.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

Hey Rick,,, something is missing in your posting ;;; where is the marina
that you are at that charges over $500 per week?


You wrote: "Where I am, $500 a week is cheap."

Well, where are you?
====================

"Rick B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:53 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard ..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come
on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.


-------------
"Rick B." wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

No bragging, just trying to offer a different POV. Skip's doing the
right thing, getting the boat out of there.

Fixing "Flying Pig"
 

On Feb 15, 7:18 am, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
Hey Rick,,, something is missing in your posting ;;; where is the marina
that you are at that charges over $500 per week?

You wrote: "Where I am, $500 a week is cheap."

Well, where are you?
====================

"Rick B." wrote in message

...

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:53 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard ..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come
on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.

-------------
"Rick B." wrote in message
. ..
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

No bragging, just trying to offer a different POV. Skip's doing the
right thing, getting the boat out of there.

After looking at the pics, "Flying Pig" is just about gold plated by
comparison to anything I sail. Her electronics alone exceeds my
yearly cruising budget. The boat yard probably saw her and assumed
anybody with a boat like that has money to pay.
This is another reason to cruise cheap and spartan (although with a
good boat). When you have these sorts of probs the yards think you
CANNOT pay and are anxious to get rid of you. Thieves are also less
likely to take a second look at that boat with faded gelcoat and faded
sailcover compared to the one that seems to be covered with dollar
signs.
My boat is old and looks like hell even though her rigging is all
new. A coupla years ago I sailed into a marina in South Fl with my
son. We were dressed in diesel smelling tattered clothes and ratty
flip flops and asked for a long term slip. They gave me the price
thinking that would make me go away so when I pulled out that no-limit
AMEX card they prob thought i had stolen it. Then without haggling I
paid em to drop my mast to fix the VHF antenna and this recalibrated
their thinking. THEN, we went outside and waited for the city bus
instead of getting a cab (my son had never ridden a city bus filled
with real people). When we came back and sailed away a month later
they still hadn't gotten us pegged financially.

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:10:49 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:

After looking at the pics, .... This is another reason to cruise cheap
and spartan (although with a good boat). .

under the radar baby! all the way... $$$? ain't nobody's business but
my own....

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:18:23 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Hey Rick,,, something is missing in your posting ;;; where is the marina
that you are at that charges over $500 per week?


You wrote: "Where I am, $500 a week is cheap."

Well, where are you?
====================

"Rick B." wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:53 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard ..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come
on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.


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"Rick B." wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

No bragging, just trying to offer a different POV. Skip's doing the
right thing, getting the boat out of there.

Aren't you supposed to be packing?

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Rick,,, once again. You keep posting .. you are the one who wrote "Where I
am, $500 a week is cheap."
Tell us what marina, where, what size boat,,, tell us all. Folks want to
know.

You do own a boat , don't you Rick?


==============================
"Rick B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:18:23 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Hey Rick,,, something is missing in your posting ;;; where is the marina
that you are at that charges over $500 per week?


You wrote: "Where I am, $500 a week is cheap."

Well, where are you?
====================

"Rick B." wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:01:53 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Well Rick ,, since you want to brag about the cost of being on the hard
..
where on the hard are you?

What marina? What harbor? What city? Tell us all the specifics. Come
on
Rick,, you can tell us. We won't tell anyone.


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"Rick B." wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I
never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

Where I am, $500 a week is cheap.

No bragging, just trying to offer a different POV. Skip's doing the
right thing, getting the boat out of there.

Aren't you supposed to be packing?

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On Feb 14, 8:47 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
You don't know what the f...k I know about waterfront property so don't
assume what you don't know.

As for the "lucky that it has .." bull****.

If we boaters would get off our collective asses and use some political
muscle maybe the government which is taking our money and propping up the
thieves who are living, and running businesses there would not get away with
the crap they are doing.

If the government is going to take our taxes, but then let greed take away
our marinas, or block us from the water .. why are we paying the taxes?

I swear; I am so sick of this country. I've never seen this nation so
F,,ked up. We are building power plants for Arabs who hate us, yet an
American in his sailboat runs aground and he is nothing but a target for an
unscrupulous marina?

Why are Americans dying in Iraq? For freedom? The American way? To make
the world a better place?

Well,,, what about right here. What about in the Florida Keys?

================================================== ===

"Wayne.B" wrote in message

...



On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:03:08 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

For the good of mankind, and to keep me out of jail ... I hope I never
visit the $500 per week marina. Because if I do ..

You obviously have *no* idea what water front property in the Keys is
worth , or how much it costs to carry it.

All of us boaters are lucky that it has not yet been converted to
condos or a resort.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good Gravy. It's supply and demand. Here developers plop down 20
million for property thats on the Tax roll at 3.5 million. Then they
build 40 story condos. Don't like it... move. What do you want, Govt
cheese paid to your marina owner to keep it from becoming a resort for
rich snowbirds? Tearing up peoples property because you can not afford
to stay is pretty ****ty IMO.

If I were in Skip's position I would tell the insurance company to
take the boat now, and give me a check. I would argue that the boat
became a total loss on the reef, once the USCG lifted them off the
deck it belonged to the insurance company AS IS. Get a job, and a
lawyer... find another boat and start over a bit wiser.

Second option is to work your ass off screwing plywood over holes,
get the engine running and limp back up north on the ICW until he
finds a yard not in such demand that will allow him to live aboard as
he repairs the boat. Trucking the boats going be very expensive, i'd
guess 8-10K. We had scores of boats in worse condition limp here
(Houston) after Katrina & Rita for repairs.

Joe


I bet the Marina in the Key's deal with the issue of insurance boats
all the time. Work yards make money working, not storing boats.

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wrote in message
ps.com...

Good Gravy. It's supply and demand. Here developers plop down 20
million for property thats on the Tax roll at 3.5 million. Then they
build 40 story condos. Don't like it... move. What do you want, Govt
cheese paid to your marina owner to keep it from becoming a resort for
rich snowbirds? Tearing up peoples property because you can not afford
to stay is pretty ****ty IMO.

If I were in Skip's position I would tell the insurance company to
take the boat now, and give me a check. I would argue that the boat
became a total loss on the reef, once the USCG lifted them off the
deck it belonged to the insurance company AS IS. Get a job, and a
lawyer... find another boat and start over a bit wiser.

Second option is to work your ass off screwing plywood over holes,
get the engine running and limp back up north on the ICW until he
finds a yard not in such demand that will allow him to live aboard as
he repairs the boat. Trucking the boats going be very expensive, i'd
guess 8-10K. We had scores of boats in worse condition limp here
(Houston) after Katrina & Rita for repairs.

Joe


I bet the Marina in the Key's deal with the issue of insurance boats
all the time. Work yards make money working, not storing boats.


Rather drastic, Joe. From what I've seen and read from Skip's reports,
Flying Pig is bruised, but hardly broken. "Totalled" is only an insurance
company's description of a boat they think will cost more to repair -- at
yard and contractor's rates, to put back into the same condition as she
was -- than she is worth. A cheap yard and plenty of sweat equity on Skip
and Lydia's part can heal the "ouches" and put FB back to rights again for
substantially less.

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On Feb 15, 10:13 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...







Good Gravy. It's supply and demand. Here developers plop down 20
million for property thats on the Tax roll at 3.5 million. Then they
build 40 story condos. Don't like it... move. What do you want, Govt
cheese paid to your marina owner to keep it from becoming a resort for
rich snowbirds? Tearing up peoples property because you can not afford
to stay is pretty ****ty IMO.

If I were in Skip's position I would tell the insurance company to
take the boat now, and give me a check. I would argue that the boat
became a total loss on the reef, once the USCG lifted them off the
deck it belonged to the insurance company AS IS. Get a job, and a
lawyer... find another boat and start over a bit wiser.

Second option is to work your ass off screwing plywood over holes,
get the engine running and limp back up north on the ICW until he
finds a yard not in such demand that will allow him to live aboard as
he repairs the boat. Trucking the boats going be very expensive, i'd
guess 8-10K. We had scores of boats in worse condition limp here
(Houston) after Katrina & Rita for repairs.

Joe

I bet the Marina in the Key's deal with the issue of insurance boats
all the time. Work yards make money working, not storing boats.

Rather drastic, Joe. From what I've seen and read from Skip's reports,
Flying Pig is bruised, but hardly broken. "Totalled" is only an insurance
company's description of a boat they think will cost more to repair -- at
yard and contractor's rates, to put back into the same condition as she
was -- than she is worth. A cheap yard and plenty of sweat equity on Skip
and Lydia's part can heal the "ouches" and put FB back to rights again for
substantially less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hull compression, blown out bulkheads, removing the interior,
ect..ect..ect is totaled IMO at 140K. If the insurance knows he want
to keep the boat then he will deal with 30+ salvage, yard fees,
transport, temp living, supplies, surveys,re-insuring,
ect..ect...ect....then the insurance is going to say the boat is worth
50-80K as-is leaving Skip a total of not much to work with. If he
walks with 100K he could find a nice replacement and avoid lots of
grief.

And most likely the insurance company will sell the boat on ebay for
next to nothing here in a few mo's.

Joe

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On Feb 15, 8:35 am, wrote:
On Feb 15, 10:13 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:





wrote in message

ups.com...

Good Gravy. It's supply and demand. Here developers plop down 20
million for property thats on the Tax roll at 3.5 million. Then they
build 40 story condos. Don't like it... move. What do you want, Govt
cheese paid to your marina owner to keep it from becoming a resort for
rich snowbirds? Tearing up peoples property because you can not afford
to stay is pretty ****ty IMO.

If I were in Skip's position I would tell the insurance company to
take the boat now, and give me a check. I would argue that the boat
became a total loss on the reef, once the USCG lifted them off the
deck it belonged to the insurance company AS IS. Get a job, and a
lawyer... find another boat and start over a bit wiser.

Second option is to work your ass off screwing plywood over holes,
get the engine running and limp back up north on the ICW until he
finds a yard not in such demand that will allow him to live aboard as
he repairs the boat. Trucking the boats going be very expensive, i'd
guess 8-10K. We had scores of boats in worse condition limp here
(Houston) after Katrina & Rita for repairs.

Joe

I bet the Marina in the Key's deal with the issue of insurance boats
all the time. Work yards make money working, not storing boats.

Rather drastic, Joe. From what I've seen and read from Skip's reports,
Flying Pig is bruised, but hardly broken. "Totalled" is only an insurance
company's description of a boat they think will cost more to repair -- at
yard and contractor's rates, to put back into the same condition as she
was -- than she is worth. A cheap yard and plenty of sweat equity on Skip
and Lydia's part can heal the "ouches" and put FB back to rights again for
substantially less.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hull compression, blown out bulkheads, removing the interior,
ect..ect..ect is totaled IMO at 140K. If the insurance knows he want
to keep the boat then he will deal with 30+ salvage, yard fees,
transport, temp living, supplies, surveys,re-insuring,
ect..ect...ect....then the insurance is going to say the boat is worth
50-80K as-is leaving Skip a total of not much to work with. If he
walks with 100K he could find a nice replacement and avoid lots of
grief.

And most likely the insurance company will sell the boat on ebay for
next to nothing here in a few mo's.

Joe- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


And buy the way, how much is your time worth? Will Skip need to pay
himself $4.50 per hour to make the salvage pencil-out? Sweat equity is
a real bargin.......................... for the one buying the boat.

How often have I hearn experinced boat owners/builders say NEVER put
$100,000 in to a $80,000 boat that will be worth $102,000 when
finished.

Maybe it would work since Skip is asking for VOLUNTEERS and
DONATIONS!

How much is a Flying Pig worth after the fix? Considering the market
is already full "ruffed-up" Kitrina/Rita sailboats?

How much money will Skip have invested totally from first purchas to
after the fix?

Add, I read one of Skips Blog post saying somthing to the effect that
his fixed pig would be able to handle 30' seas. Pleae, he could not
even hand 8' seas. To me that indicates the guy thinks life is a game
of Candy Land. From my reading here and the few posts Skip and I have
exchanged he seems a very honest, likable, hard working, and
trustworth guy. But I think he's like that monkey with his fist around
the banana in a glass jar. He can see the banana. Wont let go. But can
not get his fist out of the jar to enjoy what he wants.
Banana Bob

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Dave ,, funny you should ask. I actually have plans on heading for Cuba, as
soon as old Fidel takes a dirt nap. Shouldn't be too long, my guess.

I don't know how much you know about Cuba but it is a very beautiful place.
Many American boats have been visiting Cuba for years. It is a great place
to get work done.

So, in answer to your recommendation. I'm on my way. The hold up is Fidel.
I can visit but staying for a long period with Fidel in a state of disrepair
might be unwise. There will be a period of unrest once Fidel dies, let's
face it .. he has been in power since 1959!

I just hope whatever happens the island doesn't get all screwed up.

My uncle's father was with Teddy Roosevelt charging up San Juan Heights.
This will be a return trip for the family.

Viva la Cuba!

================


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:47:59 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
said:

I swear; I am so sick of this country. I've never seen this nation so
F,,ked up.

I hear Cuba's real nice. Maybe you oughta look into it.

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:10:19 -0800, Alan Gomes wrote:

Assuming they do repair the boat I wonder if they will experience any
difficulties getting insurance the second time around--more so than if
they just obtained a different boat that had not been subjected to a
grounding? Just wondering....

People are having a great deal of trouble getting insurance on boats
if they have had a claim of any kind in recent memory.

My guess is that Skip will have to self insure at the end of his
current policy. That could be soon if they decide to total the boat.

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It is quite obvious that you don't own a boat and are full of ****.

Please, go back to the snowmobile newsgroup.

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"Rick B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:49:02 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Rick,,, once again. You keep posting ..

Indeed, I do.
Finished packing yet?

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Wayne.B wrote:

People are having a great deal of trouble getting insurance on boats
if they have had a claim of any kind in recent memory.

My guess is that Skip will have to self insure at the end of his
current policy. That could be soon if they decide to total the boat.

That could very well be true. Boat US declined to
quote insurance coverage on our powerboat in 2006
after I answered truthfully that we had had a
claim the year before due to "finding" a rock.
The fact that we had not had a claim since buying
our first boat in 1986 until 2005, or that the
entire claim came to $4,100 (Fiberglass repair and
a lower unit) did not even come into play.

Fortunately, the company that had insured us since
1986 (State Farm) did not feel the same way. They
were happy to keep taking our premiums, and the
rate did not even go up. Right now, the Irwin is
insured through State Farm, and the coverage is
good for 30 miles offshore (which will have to
change when we start cruising seriously).

Don W.

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:43:42 GMT, Don W
wrote:

Right now, the Irwin is
insured through State Farm, and the coverage is
good for 30 miles offshore (which will have to
change when we start cruising seriously).

Last I had heard State Farm was not taking on *any* new customers in
Florida, house or boat, loss or no loss. Have things changed or are
you somewhere north?

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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:02:46 -0500, Rick B. wrote:

Property taxes are killing marinas too or driving up fees to their
customers like never before.

Absolutely. Tom, aka "NE Sailboat", seems to think he has a
constitutional right to reasonable marina rates. Last time I looked
though the constitution was still tilted towards free enterprise and
property rights.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:02:46 -0500, Rick B. wrote:

Property taxes are killing marinas too or driving up fees to their
customers like never before.

Absolutely. Tom, aka "NE Sailboat", seems to think he has a
constitutional right to reasonable marina rates. Last time I looked
though the constitution was still tilted towards free enterprise and
property rights.


Sure, unless some branch of Government decides it wants your property, in
which case you're sol.

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Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:43:42 GMT, Don W
wrote:


Right now, the Irwin is
insured through State Farm, and the coverage is
good for 30 miles offshore (which will have to
change when we start cruising seriously).


Last I had heard State Farm was not taking on *any* new customers in
Florida, house or boat, loss or no loss. Have things changed or are
you somewhere north?

Depends on where you are in FL whether we're N or
S of you. We're on the Texas gulf coast. We got
lucky in 2005, but we did have the eye of a Cat 1
go right over the top of us in 2003. We didn't
own the boat then, but dockmates say it was in the
same slip it is now at them time.

Don't know about State Farm and Florida. I do
know my boat insurance is roughly equal to my
house insurance in cost, and I could cut the
insurance cost to 1/2 of what it is by getting the
boat off of the coast--But that would take most of
the fun out.

Don W.

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I am so sick of this country.

So? Move.

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On Feb 16, 2:54 pm, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
I am so sick of this country.

So? Move.

And dont vote republican next time.

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Bill Kearney wrote:
I am so sick of this country.


So? Move.

He didn't mean *that* sick of it!

Stephen

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Truth is posting :: lifelong Democrat, ran for office twice.

And I am still sick of this country.

=========================
"Bob" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 16, 2:54 pm, "Bill Kearney" wkearney-99@hot-mail-com wrote:
I am so sick of this country.

So? Move.

And dont vote republican next time.

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On Feb 15, 1:13 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
Dave ,, funny you should ask. I actually have plans on heading for Cuba, as
soon as old Fidel takes a dirt nap. Shouldn't be too long, my guess.

Just in case this is more than the ordinary BS, you might want to
consider the following from the Coast Guard site:

Failure to comply with the Coast Guard, Commerce, Treasury, or other
Federal government regulations regarding travel to Cuba will subject
violators to federal criminal prosecution, as well as possible
administrative proceedings by the Department of Commerce and
Department of Treasury. Penalties for violations of these Federal
statutes and regulations can result in fines, imprisonment, vessel
seizure and forfeiture, and denial of future export privileges.

If you do not have all of the appropriate permits and licenses
required by the Department of Commerce and the Department of Treasury,
and you make a voyage into Cuban territorial waters, you are
subjecting yourself to any and all of these sanctions. You are hereby
advised that, in compliance with direction from the President, the
U.S. Coast Guard will be stringently monitoring maritime traffic to
and from Cuba in order to ensure that vessels subject to U.S.
jurisdiction have complied with all applicable licensing requirements,
laws, and regulations, and will take aggressive enforcement actions if
those conditions are not met.

Steve Hayes

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"steve_hayes_maine" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 15, 1:13 pm, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
Dave ,, funny you should ask. I actually have plans on heading for Cuba,
as
soon as old Fidel takes a dirt nap. Shouldn't be too long, my guess.

Just in case this is more than the ordinary BS, you might want to
consider the following from the Coast Guard site:

Failure to comply with the Coast Guard, Commerce, Treasury, or other
Federal government regulations regarding travel to Cuba will subject
violators to federal criminal prosecution, as well as possible
administrative proceedings by the Department of Commerce and
Department of Treasury. Penalties for violations of these Federal
statutes and regulations can result in fines, imprisonment, vessel
seizure and forfeiture, and denial of future export privileges.

If you do not have all of the appropriate permits and licenses
required by the Department of Commerce and the Department of Treasury,
and you make a voyage into Cuban territorial waters, you are
subjecting yourself to any and all of these sanctions. You are hereby
advised that, in compliance with direction from the President, the
U.S. Coast Guard will be stringently monitoring maritime traffic to
and from Cuba in order to ensure that vessels subject to U.S.
jurisdiction have complied with all applicable licensing requirements,
laws, and regulations, and will take aggressive enforcement actions if
those conditions are not met.

Steve Hayes


Ain't it grand to live in a "free" country?