My first date with my wife was a canoe trip where it started raining
and didnt stop for two days. Our relationship went downhill from
there. We spent 3 months camping near the continental divide in a
backpacking tent during which she broke her arm and cracked her hip in
a climbing accident. We only got jobs and an apartment when the snow
started trying to collapse the tent every night. We spent years as
fanatical cave explorers so being dirty and smelly is not a big deal
to us. I have worn out several pairs of hiking boots and packs
backpacking. We do a lot of family camping and when I suggested a pop-
up camper instead of the tent she razzed me about it for years. She
WANTS to go backpacking for weeks (I refuse having done my share of
"death marches".). By comparison to our other trips, our bare bones
boat is the height of luxury, good lord, how decadent, an ice box.
Getting rid of the marine head and replacing it with a porta-potti was
her idea but i am sure glad I did. The only amenity she is insisting
on is a new bimini because our old one is really bad and our 20 yr old
daughter developed melanoma when she was 17 (she is ok). So, since
the boat (a 28' S2) is paid for, our sailing is fairly cheap except
for slip fees. With this sort of cruising, one can have your home and
boat.

Frogbreath ,, don't give up on that wife. I'll take her if you want to sell
her.

I had a girlfriend who was like her. We would go off into the woods, camp,
have a great time. She opens a business,
gets into the world, and ........ so, I ask her "hey, want to do some
camping this summer"?

Her answer: "my idea of camping is the Hilton".

That was the end of our relationship.


This seems to be a repeating theme with women in my neck of the woods. They
want the luxury.

If the boat doesn't have a head with a shower, refrigerator, oven, heater,
on and on ......... the answer is no thanks.
One overweight bimbo told me she had been "sailing" a lot. So, I ask "did
you own a sailboat or did your ex have a sailboat or did your family have a
sailboat".

Her answer: "oh, no .. I go on cruises .. Carnival".

This flatulent, corpulent, pigsty of a woman thought that sitting by a
swimming pool smoking a cigarette waiting for the all you can eat buffet was
SAILING.

You are a lucky man.

=================


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
oups.com...
My first date with my wife was a canoe trip where it started raining
and didnt stop for two days. Our relationship went downhill from
there. We spent 3 months camping near the continental divide in a
backpacking tent during which she broke her arm and cracked her hip in
a climbing accident. We only got jobs and an apartment when the snow
started trying to collapse the tent every night. We spent years as
fanatical cave explorers so being dirty and smelly is not a big deal
to us. I have worn out several pairs of hiking boots and packs
backpacking. We do a lot of family camping and when I suggested a pop-
up camper instead of the tent she razzed me about it for years. She
WANTS to go backpacking for weeks (I refuse having done my share of
"death marches".). By comparison to our other trips, our bare bones
boat is the height of luxury, good lord, how decadent, an ice box.
Getting rid of the marine head and replacing it with a porta-potti was
her idea but i am sure glad I did. The only amenity she is insisting
on is a new bimini because our old one is really bad and our 20 yr old
daughter developed melanoma when she was 17 (she is ok). So, since
the boat (a 28' S2) is paid for, our sailing is fairly cheap except
for slip fees. With this sort of cruising, one can have your home and
boat.

On Feb 14, 10:24 am, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
Frogbreath ,, don't give up on that wife. I'll take her if you want to sell
her.

I had a girlfriend who was like her. We would go off into the woods, camp,
have a great time. She opens a business,
gets into the world, and ........ so, I ask her "hey, want to do some
camping this summer"?

Her answer: "my idea of camping is the Hilton".

That was the end of our relationship.

This seems to be a repeating theme with women in my neck of the woods. They
want the luxury.

If the boat doesn't have a head with a shower, refrigerator, oven, heater,
on and on ......... the answer is no thanks.
One overweight bimbo told me she had been "sailing" a lot. So, I ask "did
you own a sailboat or did your ex have a sailboat or did your family have a
sailboat".

Her answer: "oh, no .. I go on cruises .. Carnival".

This flatulent, corpulent, pigsty of a woman thought that sitting by a
swimming pool smoking a cigarette waiting for the all you can eat buffet was
SAILING.

You are a lucky man.

=================

"Frogwatch" wrote in message

oups.com...

My first date with my wife was a canoe trip where it started raining
and didnt stop for two days. Our relationship went downhill from
there. We spent 3 months camping near the continental divide in a
backpacking tent during which she broke her arm and cracked her hip in
a climbing accident. We only got jobs and an apartment when the snow
started trying to collapse the tent every night. We spent years as
fanatical cave explorers so being dirty and smelly is not a big deal
to us. I have worn out several pairs of hiking boots and packs
backpacking. We do a lot of family camping and when I suggested a pop-
up camper instead of the tent she razzed me about it for years. She
WANTS to go backpacking for weeks (I refuse having done my share of
"death marches".). By comparison to our other trips, our bare bones
boat is the height of luxury, good lord, how decadent, an ice box.
Getting rid of the marine head and replacing it with a porta-potti was
her idea but i am sure glad I did. The only amenity she is insisting
on is a new bimini because our old one is really bad and our 20 yr old
daughter developed melanoma when she was 17 (she is ok). So, since
the boat (a 28' S2) is paid for, our sailing is fairly cheap except
for slip fees. With this sort of cruising, one can have your home and
boat.

I realize I am very lucky but it does have its price. We have been
married for 28 years and we argue non-stop. Anybody who meets us
probably does not think we could last more than another week together
but we are both too stubborn to quit. We used to sail together a lot
but lately I sail mostly by myself because we have sorta gotten to
where we simply cannot be on the boat together without it being
tense. I am an extreme loner introvert science type and she is a
teacher/guidance counselor talk-it-out type so you can imagine how
this works out, it doesnt. This is too bad because the best times we
have ever had were when we were pulling together to so something we
both wanted. One of the best times was our first actual cruise where
we left the kids with my parents (a very rare thing) and we sailed for
4 days before going back o get the kids. She often recalls that trip
fondly. I am a problem solving kinda guy but I sure wish I could
figure out how to get along with her enough to cruise on a small boat
together. Our kids are now 20, 16, and 10 and I really want to be
able to take the younger ones on trips they will remember.

Two boats! His/Hers.

=================


"Frogwatch" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 14, 10:24 am, "NE Sailboat" wrote:
Frogbreath ,, don't give up on that wife. I'll take her if you want to
sell
her.

I had a girlfriend who was like her. We would go off into the woods,
camp,
have a great time. She opens a business,
gets into the world, and ........ so, I ask her "hey, want to do some
camping this summer"?

Her answer: "my idea of camping is the Hilton".

That was the end of our relationship.

This seems to be a repeating theme with women in my neck of the woods.
They
want the luxury.

If the boat doesn't have a head with a shower, refrigerator, oven,
heater,
on and on ......... the answer is no thanks.
One overweight bimbo told me she had been "sailing" a lot. So, I ask
"did
you own a sailboat or did your ex have a sailboat or did your family have
a
sailboat".

Her answer: "oh, no .. I go on cruises .. Carnival".

This flatulent, corpulent, pigsty of a woman thought that sitting by a
swimming pool smoking a cigarette waiting for the all you can eat buffet
was
SAILING.

You are a lucky man.

=================

"Frogwatch" wrote in message

oups.com...

My first date with my wife was a canoe trip where it started raining
and didnt stop for two days. Our relationship went downhill from
there. We spent 3 months camping near the continental divide in a
backpacking tent during which she broke her arm and cracked her hip in
a climbing accident. We only got jobs and an apartment when the snow
started trying to collapse the tent every night. We spent years as
fanatical cave explorers so being dirty and smelly is not a big deal
to us. I have worn out several pairs of hiking boots and packs
backpacking. We do a lot of family camping and when I suggested a pop-
up camper instead of the tent she razzed me about it for years. She
WANTS to go backpacking for weeks (I refuse having done my share of
"death marches".). By comparison to our other trips, our bare bones
boat is the height of luxury, good lord, how decadent, an ice box.
Getting rid of the marine head and replacing it with a porta-potti was
her idea but i am sure glad I did. The only amenity she is insisting
on is a new bimini because our old one is really bad and our 20 yr old
daughter developed melanoma when she was 17 (she is ok). So, since
the boat (a 28' S2) is paid for, our sailing is fairly cheap except
for slip fees. With this sort of cruising, one can have your home and
boat.

I realize I am very lucky but it does have its price. We have been
married for 28 years and we argue non-stop. Anybody who meets us
probably does not think we could last more than another week together
but we are both too stubborn to quit. We used to sail together a lot
but lately I sail mostly by myself because we have sorta gotten to
where we simply cannot be on the boat together without it being
tense. I am an extreme loner introvert science type and she is a
teacher/guidance counselor talk-it-out type so you can imagine how
this works out, it doesnt. This is too bad because the best times we
have ever had were when we were pulling together to so something we
both wanted. One of the best times was our first actual cruise where
we left the kids with my parents (a very rare thing) and we sailed for
4 days before going back o get the kids. She often recalls that trip
fondly. I am a problem solving kinda guy but I sure wish I could
figure out how to get along with her enough to cruise on a small boat
together. Our kids are now 20, 16, and 10 and I really want to be
able to take the younger ones on trips they will remember.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:CoGAh.4571$g82.2859@trndny09...
Two boats! His/Hers.

=================

Or a slightly bigger boat so she can take one of her friends along.

On 14 Feb 2007 07:56:16 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:

I am an extreme loner introvert science type and she is a
teacher/guidance counselor talk-it-out type so you can imagine how
this works out, it doesnt.

Let me know if you find a cure for this.

:-)

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:46 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Or a slightly bigger boat so she can take one of her friends along.

You don't understand. There wouldn't be a moment of peaceful silence
on the boat.

Two boats, that's the answer - with visitation options.

On Feb 14, 1:22 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:46 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Or a slightly bigger boat so she can take one of her friends along.

You don't understand. There wouldn't be a moment of peaceful silence
on the boat.

Two boats, that's the answer - with visitation options.


Unfortunately, she really could not sail by herself as she just does
not have whatever it takes to do navigation, understand the way the
sails work. etc. She makes up for these things in other ways but I
cannot rely on her to sail with me asleep or herself alone.
Right now, I have decided to satisfy our interest in going strange
places on the water by building a 20' Tolman Skiff power boat
(launched in November 2006). We can take it camping with us and use
it to do day trips to out-of-the-way places. There is a lot more room
on land camping to get away from each other than while anchored on a
sailboat. She does not like the Tolman although I hope that will
change after we go a few cool places with it. So far all we have done
is go out to test drive it once I completed it and this isnt too
intetresting. Running around in a power boat gives no sense of
accomplishment when you get back in. This coming weekend, we are
going to St. Joseph State Park here in N. FL and will go all the cool
places on the bay I have never been able to get to by canoe or
sailboat.

She would go cruising with me in a heartbeat if I would ask her AND if
she could take time off work. She doesnt want to take any time off
because she loves being a guidance counselor. Cruising in Fl in
Summer simply isnt a real option.

I'll continue to go sailing by myself.

She wants to buy property in Wyoming where we lived when we were first
married. I kinda agree and so we might do this. Found 4 nice acres
atop Casper Mt, flat, view to die for, Aspens and lodgepole pines,
accessible year round but no water. It'd be sorta like living on the
boat except much bigger. Spend summers in Wy and winters in FL with
the boat and house.

On 14 Feb 2007 10:45:59 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:

On Feb 14, 1:22 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:46 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Or a slightly bigger boat so she can take one of her friends along.

You don't understand. There wouldn't be a moment of peaceful silence
on the boat.

Two boats, that's the answer - with visitation options.


Unfortunately, she really could not sail by herself as she just does
not have whatever it takes to do navigation, understand the way the
sails work. etc. She makes up for these things in other ways but I
cannot rely on her to sail with me asleep or herself alone.
Right now, I have decided to satisfy our interest in going strange
places on the water by building a 20' Tolman Skiff power boat
(launched in November 2006).

Did you build it? Pictures please. I need a bay skiff, but looking
for something a little smaller.

We can take it camping with us and use
it to do day trips to out-of-the-way places. There is a lot more room
on land camping to get away from each other than while anchored on a
sailboat. She does not like the Tolman although I hope that will
change after we go a few cool places with it. So far all we have done
is go out to test drive it once I completed it and this isnt too
intetresting. Running around in a power boat gives no sense of
accomplishment when you get back in. This coming weekend, we are
going to St. Joseph State Park here in N. FL and will go all the cool
places on the bay I have never been able to get to by canoe or
sailboat.

Been cold lately, specs should be in the deep holes behind black's
island. Just remember, scallop season is closed, no sampling :~)

She would go cruising with me in a heartbeat if I would ask her AND if
she could take time off work. She doesnt want to take any time off
because she loves being a guidance counselor. Cruising in Fl in
Summer simply isnt a real option.

I'll continue to go sailing by myself.



She wants to buy property in Wyoming where we lived when we were first
married. I kinda agree and so we might do this. Found 4 nice acres
atop Casper Mt, flat, view to die for, Aspens and lodgepole pines,
accessible year round but no water. It'd be sorta like living on the
boat except much bigger. Spend summers in Wy and winters in FL with
the boat and house.

On Feb 14, 5:50 pm, Frank Boettcher wrote:
On 14 Feb 2007 10:45:59 -0800, "Frogwatch"
wrote:



On Feb 14, 1:22 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:07:46 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:

Or a slightly bigger boat so she can take one of her friends along.

You don't understand. There wouldn't be a moment of peaceful silence
on the boat.

Two boats, that's the answer - with visitation options.

Unfortunately, she really could not sail by herself as she just does
not have whatever it takes to do navigation, understand the way the
sails work. etc. She makes up for these things in other ways but I
cannot rely on her to sail with me asleep or herself alone.
Right now, I have decided to satisfy our interest in going strange
places on the water by building a 20' Tolman Skiff power boat
(launched in November 2006).

Did you build it? Pictures please. I need a bay skiff, but looking
for something a little smaller.

We can take it camping with us and use

it to do day trips to out-of-the-way places. There is a lot more room
on land camping to get away from each other than while anchored on a
sailboat. She does not like the Tolman although I hope that will
change after we go a few cool places with it. So far all we have done
is go out to test drive it once I completed it and this isnt too
intetresting. Running around in a power boat gives no sense of
accomplishment when you get back in. This coming weekend, we are
going to St. Joseph State Park here in N. FL and will go all the cool
places on the bay I have never been able to get to by canoe or
sailboat.

Been cold lately, specs should be in the deep holes behind black's
island. Just remember, scallop season is closed, no sampling :~)



She would go cruising with me in a heartbeat if I would ask her AND if
she could take time off work. She doesnt want to take any time off
because she loves being a guidance counselor. Cruising in Fl in
Summer simply isnt a real option.

I'll continue to go sailing by myself.

She wants to buy property in Wyoming where we lived when we were first
married. I kinda agree and so we might do this. Found 4 nice acres
atop Casper Mt, flat, view to die for, Aspens and lodgepole pines,
accessible year round but no water. It'd be sorta like living on the
boat except much bigger. Spend summers in Wy and winters in FL with
the boat and house.

Yup, I built the Tolman. My Pics are on the Tolman Skiff FishyFish
website under David OHara. It only took me a year to build and that
was only a few hours at a time.
I spent a lot of my childhood scalloping in St Joe bay and never have
been to Blacks Is so I plan to go there first. BTW, Blacks Is is for
sale. Then, I'll go down to
the point just to say i went there.
Are you near here Frank?