Don ,, no pumpout for me. Not this season, next season, or next season
after that season. No holding tank, and I don't like making holes in my
deck.

Good try though.


Hey,, you don't own a big stinky Hinkley do ya?


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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:quFAh.1825$Zp3.385@trndny04...
Larry ,, according the the REI, etc web sites that sell the bags; the
bag will decompose in 5 months. If this is wrong? Tell me.

Truth be told: I **** in a bucket and throw it near the big Hinkley
moored nearby. Hinkley and Stinkley sounds nice together.

But the USCG will fine someone if they come on board and find a head with
direct discharge. So, trying to do the right thing without spending a
huge amount of money ... the whole holding tank idea is so nuts on a
small sailboat. With a large boat, there is room to place the tank, the
pump, the pump out, etc.

I just thought this was a good idea, or at least a plan.

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An MSD with pumpout seems to work for a lo of small boats

"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:ujHAh.4145$7s2.1151@trndny07...
Don ,, no pumpout for me. Not this season, next season, or next season
after that season. No holding tank, and I don't like making holes in my
deck.

Good try though.


Hey,, you don't own a big stinky Hinkley do ya?




I wish...
I travel light... http://sailquest.com/market/models/spipe.htm

"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:quFAh.1825$Zp3.385@trndny04:

Larry ,, according the the REI, etc web sites that sell the bags; the
bag will decompose in 5 months. If this is wrong? Tell me.

That BAG decomposes in 5 months, probably true. But, alas, it doesn't
say what effect the decomposing bag has as it RELEASES the toxic chemical
slurry INSIDE the bag, do they? What chemicals are used in the bag?

Truth be told: I **** in a bucket and throw it near the big Hinkley
moored nearby. Hinkley and Stinkley sounds nice together.

Any sailor that tells you he doesn't pee over the side of the dock, in
the dark, when he hopes noone is looking (at least those not potential
mating partners) is a LIAR!

If you see me, don't look....not my type.


But the USCG will fine someone if they come on board and find a head
with direct discharge. So, trying to do the right thing without
spending a huge amount of money ... the whole holding tank idea is
so nuts on a small sailboat. With a large boat, there is room to
place the tank, the pump, the pump out, etc.



You are ALREADY doing the right thing! The regulations about holding
tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED systems....permanently mounted heads
plumbed into the boat. The regs do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT
mounted into the boat in a permanent manner, a "portable device", whether
that's a rusty old bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts
(works great, $1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;

Well, I WAS headed out for dinner at a Chinese buffet I like, but since
getting back on this thread I may have to wait a while until my stomach
stops churning....


Larry
--
VIRUS ALERT! VISTA has been released!
NOONE will be spared!

Here's an old post I saved:
____________________________-
To add a little more confusion to the marine water pollution
arguments, the
journal SCIENCE (29 Mar. 2002) reported on a study which tracked the
biological sources of fecal bacterial in Virginia watersheds. Only 15%
of E.
coli bacteria had a human origin (i.e. septic runoff and boat
discharge). The
remainder came from other animal hosts, the largest contributor being
waterfowl with 32.5% of the total. Similar studies are being carried
out in
California, Washington, and Oregon.

Whats next? Diapers for geese?
________________________

Besides, it's not illegal to pee or crap over the side, it's only
illegal to discharge it after it's been contained. Therefore, get one
of these and be legal:
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm
Just get rid of the plastic bag and let 'er fly!

On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:50:31 -0500, Larry wrote:

You are ALREADY doing the right thing! The regulations about holding
tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED systems....permanently mounted heads
plumbed into the boat. The regs do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT
mounted into the boat in a permanent manner, a "portable device", whether
that's a rusty old bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts
(works great, $1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;

Actually they do cover Portapotties and buckets. They are called
"devices". Even the stern mounted 1-holer is a "device". However,
peeing over the side or hanging one's fanny over the side is allowed
under the regs. Might be wiser to immerse the involved body parts in
the water in a crowded marina for obvious reasons. You just can't use
any "device".

Rick

Rick Morel wrote in
:

Might be wiser to immerse the involved body parts in
the water in a crowded marina for obvious reasons. You just can't use
any "device".


Is THAT why that lady on the next dock over was screaming obscenities at
me?! She just couldn't leave it alone...kept screaming about the
"environment". Damned greenies.....

Larry

Larry wrote:
The regulations about holding
tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED systems....permanently mounted heads
plumbed into the boat. The regs do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT
mounted into the boat in a permanent manner, a "portable device", whether
that's a rusty old bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts
(works great, $1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;

Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any device,
installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to, any
spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any equipment
for installation on board a vessel which is designed to receive, retain,
treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat such sewage," there
is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the definition of
"discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw sewage
from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup, whether
it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what isn't covered
in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws pertaining to sewage from
all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

Peggie,

I would suggest that if there is no mention of 'devices' in the
definition of "Discharge", the the term "emitting" could easily be
construed to include direct human discharge whether there is an interim
device used or not. The definition is literally to "send forth" either
matter or energy.

Keith Hughes

Peggie Hall wrote:
Larry wrote:

The regulations about holding tanks and Y valves is for MOUNTED
systems....permanently mounted heads plumbed into the boat. The regs
do NOT cover a Portapotti that is NOT mounted into the boat in a
permanent manner, a "portable device", whether that's a rusty old
bucket, a covered plastic bucket from Dunkin' Donuts (works great,
$1), or a "pretty" Portapottie/Sanipottie. If you have a
stern-mounted 1-holer hangin out over the ocean, that's not covered,
either....like old sailing ships had...(c;


Sorry, Larry, but the regs DO cover discharge of sewage from any device,
installed or not.

Sewage is defined in the CFR as "human body wastes and the wastes from
toilets and other receptacles intended to receive or retain body waste."

Discharge is defined in the CFR as "includes, but is not limited to, any
spilling, leaking, pouring, pumping, emitting, emptying, or dumping."

Note that while "marine sanitation device" is defined as "any equipment
for installation on board a vessel which is designed to receive, retain,
treat, or discharge sewage, and any process to treat such sewage," there
is no mention of marine sanitation devices in the definition of
"discharge."

So although the CFR does require that any vessel that has an installed
toilet also be equipped with either a holding tank or a CG certified
treatment device, the CFR also makes it illegal to discharge raw sewage
from ANY container--portpotty, bucket, or even a coffee cup, whether
it's installed or not--inside the "3 mile limit." And what isn't covered
in MARINE sanition laws is covered by the laws pertaining to sewage from
all sources including those on land.

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.

I didn't write the law, I'm just the messenger.

Peggie Hall wrote in news:v0%Ah.6138$o61.899
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net:

However, it is NOT illegal to pee into the water from the lee rail or
hang your butt off the stern...it's only illegal to put waste into any
container and empty the container into the water.



We got that covered, too, in SC. The cop explained it to me. He called it
"Indecent Exposure". I told him it was beer an hour ago, before it became
illegal....(c;

Ok, I'll stop dumping the Portapottie tank over the side, too....darn....

I want my Monomatic back....You only had to dump it once a year....(sigh)
If you hook a Monomatic to a 25 gallon RV holding tank, you only have to
dump it just before you sell it....(c;

Larry
--
"And away goes trouble, down the drain...."