McCarthy....?????

ummmmmmm ..... McCarthy was completely VINDICATED during the Clinton
Administration by the Russian govt. disclosure of the "Venona Papers"
which flatly documented that McCarthy was wrong ONLY in the fact that
the Soviet penetration into the heart of the US govt. was 7 times larger
in numbers than even McCarthy was after. McCarthy's chief
source/witness, Whittaker Chambers, the center piece of the 'all the
hububb' was awarded the highest award given to non-military personnel.

Dont confuse McCarthy with the bipartisan House of Unamerican Activities
Committee (HUAC) - freaks from BOTH parties ... whose retired members
are now apparently posting political trolls on rec.boats.cruising, etc.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 21:56:28 GMT, RichH wrote
(with possible editing):

McCarthy....?????

ummmmmmm ..... McCarthy was completely VINDICATED during the Clinton
Administration by the Russian govt. disclosure of the "Venona Papers"
which flatly documented that McCarthy was wrong ONLY in the fact that
the Soviet penetration into the heart of the US govt. was 7 times larger
in numbers than even McCarthy was after. McCarthy's chief
source/witness, Whittaker Chambers, the center piece of the 'all the
hububb' was awarded the highest award given to non-military personnel.

Dont confuse McCarthy with the bipartisan House of Unamerican Activities
Committee (HUAC) - freaks from BOTH parties ... whose retired members
are now apparently posting political trolls on rec.boats.cruising, etc.

Ok, I wasn't going to respond, but I can't keep my big mouth
(fingers?) shut!

McCarthy vindicated? Ok, and Roy Cohn was a choir boy.

This country was founded on the cornerstone of free speech and
personal liberty. If the system was somehow less viable than
Communism, then Communism is what we'd have today and probably what we
deserve. But that's not what happened. Communism as practiced in the
Soviet Union fell apart. The Chinese have seen the writing on the
wall and have adopted Capitalism as a way to develop their nation.
(Yes, they're still a closed society with no respect for individual
rights; I'm not defending them). Cuba is still an economic disaster,
more so now that the prior Soviet Union is no longer supporting them.

Communism doesn't work. Maybe some can argue that it should, but in
very practical terms, it doesn't. That said, if someone wants to
argue the point, it's his right and we really don't need to publicly
excoriate someone for expressing his beliefs.

No flame intended. I lived through the McCarthy era and HUAC as well.
I won't question their motives, as perhaps I should, but the best I
can say about them is that I think they were all, uhh, ill-advised.

Now, to go register my dinghy. Here in NH, we have to register
ANYTHING that floats and has a motor. Even my canoe with a little
electric.

--

Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

Hey, now don't go calling McCarthy bad things... he was a true patriot,
exposing known spies in Washington. Read Treason by Ann Coulter for the real
story.


"L. M. Rappaport" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 04:35:00 GMT, Chuck Bollinger
wrote (with possible editing):

John I've got to reply to a few points, which I hope you'll accept in the
spirit
offered.

...snip

Nice post, Chuck. I agree completely.

You didn't mention the Patriot Act. There, I have to agree with Jimmy
completely - it's hard to imagine taking away citizen's rights and
calling it patriotic. Frankly, I consider John Ashcroft to be the
most dangerous American since McCarthy.

Jimmy, just know that many of us firmly disagree with Ashcroft, the
Patriot Act, DMCA, UCITMA, and a host of other atrocities and we're
trying to change them through the electoral process.

That said, I should note that Canada has its share of idiots as well.
I live on the border and have seen and dealt with my share, including
filing charges against one particularly egregious border Nazi.

--

Larry

Subject: Dinghy registration
From: "Keith"

Hey, now don't go calling McCarthy bad things... he was a true patriot,
exposing known spies in Washington. Read Treason by Ann Coulter for the real
story.

Yes, he kept the US free and safe from communist screen writers.
And about all Ms. Coulter is good for is keeping the Young Republicans (both
man and female) in mastabitory fantasies.

Capt. Bill

Jimmy wrote:
Hi Folks,

Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not
required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9
outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No
name on the dinghy, no registration numbers.

In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter
problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is
unregistered, unlicensed, etc.?

Anyone experience problems with the local authorities?

Warning and tips appreciated.

Jimmy

In Washington State, a small boat with a low-powered engine which is used
exclusively as a tender for a yacht is allowed without separate registration. In
this state, the name of the yacht is used as, or included in, a name painted on
the dinghy where it is visible when the dinghy is in the water.

We are "Vala" and that's the name on the dinghy. Another guy's boat is "Zia"
and he labeled his dinghy "Zia's". An old guy some time ago had a boat named
"Nimbus" and he called his dinghy "Squally" and I guess got away with it.

But I stress that this is only good going from the boat to shore (officially).
I've not heard of anyone being hassled putting out crab pots or providing diver
service or exploring a harbor. But if you get caught taking your boat through
the locks (see below - what was he thinking?) then it is a separate motorcraft
and needs to be licensed separately.

Hi Chuck,
You make some very good points. I agree that one should know the
laws of a country you are visiting as
a foreign yacht. I come from a country where I am not required to
register any vessel under 10 horsepower.
Even if I have a 40 foot boat, as long as it has under 10 hp..........
no registration or licensing of any kind is
required. I saw nothing wrong taking my dinghy through the locks and
was having a great day until
two bully's came along and were so incredibly rude that I could not
believe they were real "peace officers".
I was abiding by all the rules of my foreign country and it didn't even
cross my mind that what I was doing
was illegal. You know, there are just too many laws. My huge
complaint was the attitude of the officers.
I am smart enough not to antagonize most officers but these two were so
bad I asked them to take me to
their leader. I also requested that I speak to the Canadian Consulate
office in Seattle to get this matter
settled. They let me go. Just as well.... I was really
drunk...(kidding....)

Your law enforcement system in the U.S. needs some serious attention
before it is too late to stop it.
I have seen the U.S. coasties board pretty much every vessel in
Bellingham Bay on a Sunday afternoon.
I have also seen them board almost every boat that left Friday Harbour
Wa. on a Sunday afternoon.
This is well before 9/11 so I can't even imagine what life is like down
there now for boaters. I'll never know
personally. I have been boarded by the US coast guard numerous times
and the black marks they left on
my deck are still visible. I mentioned to them at the time that I
would never let anyone on board my vessel
with boots like that. I wasn't rude but just stating a fact. It is a
subtle form of bullying but........

Chuck.... I have to ask you... do you think American boaters who
violate WG are treated differently
from Canadians who stray..... Most of the active WG time is American
generated it seems so maybe
they do nail you harder for that reason. I have only heard of a few
Canadians who have gone to court in that area but one of them jumped on
a U.S. submarine......... he got his photo in the papers.

I wish I could remember the VHF channel but I have read somewhere that
the U.S. authorities monitor
some channel that is restricted in the States but used in Canada for
nothing special. If they hear you using
this channel even way up in Canada, you can get charged even though
Canadians use the channel for BS.

Your very right about Granville Island being hard on boaters who
overstay the 4 hour daily limit. There used
to be a night watchman there many years ago who would let out of town
boaters overnight one time at that
dock but those days are long over. It is the attitude of many law
enforcement officers that is running amok.
Being woken up from a sound sleep after anchoring with a bull horn and
50 billion candlepower of spotlight
with an angry guy at the controls is totally unreasonable and you get
written up in newsgroups.

Thanks for getting me all straightened out.. I enjoyed your writing
style too. You come across effectively
without being condescending.

If fact, I think I'll go down to the boat tomorrow and head off to
Friday Harbour for the weekend......not.

cheers j

In North Carolina we have to register any dingy if it has ANY size motor on
it even if its used for a tender. That info came from the Division of Marine
Fisheries in Morehead City where I registered ours.
Phil

"Jimmy" wrote in message
. ..
Hi Folks,

Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not
required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9
outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No
name on the dinghy, no registration numbers.

In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter
problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is
unregistered, unlicensed, etc.?

Anyone experience problems with the local authorities?

Warning and tips appreciated.

Jimmy

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"Phil" wrote:

In North Carolina we have to register any dingy if it has ANY size motor on
it even if its used for a tender. That info came from the Division of Marine
Fisheries in Morehead City where I registered ours.

We register our dinghys too, but the fee is not great. We also
register the big boat with the state (Maryland in this case), but we
don't have to put the numbers on the bow because it is documented.
I'm not really sure what they do about foreign boats and their
dinghys. I'm pretty sure that most states allow passage through the
state of 30-90 days (depending on the state) without requiring that
one change ones' registration.

"Jimmy" wrote in message
...
Hi Folks,

Up here in Canada (at least in Ontario) boats powered under 10hp are not
required to be registered. This is the case with my 10 foot RIB and 9.9
outboard motor, which I use as a tender when sailing my big boat. No
name on the dinghy, no registration numbers.

In a trip through the eastern USA to Florida, am I likely to encounter
problems with local police or coat guard because the dinghy is
unregistered, unlicensed, etc.?

Anyone experience problems with the local authorities?

We talked to a couple in the Bahamas who were from Canada. They made
the mistake of trucking their boat from Canada to Florida and putting
it into the water in Florida. They failed to get a cruising permit in
the US which didn't cause them any trouble until they went to the CG
in Key West and told them they were checking out to go to Cuba (wrong
answer). Since they hadn't ever checked in and since the CG is a bit
hyper about Cuba, they got into a lot of trouble.

Florida water cops are particularly stringent about the dinghys having
all the correct equipment in them. That means a life vest for each
person in the boat, appropriate lights after dark, a sound producing
device, distress signal, and we also carry a bailer and an anchor and
although it is not technically required a fire extinguisher when we
have an engine on the dink.

Warning and tips appreciated.

Jimmy



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