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Marina question
I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? |
Marina question
Mike wrote:
I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water... I assume you mean pump out the waste holding tank. Toilet waste is black water...gray water is shower, bath and galley sink water, which isn't held (except on two inland lakes and some specifically designated areas of the FLKeys National Marine Sanctuary), but drains directly overboard. "No discharge" laws pertain only to toilet waste. and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Some marinas charge extra for pumpout...I know of none that charge for fresh water. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Your best bet on transit slips is to join a local yacht club. You can then
use the reciprocal privileges and stay for free up to a week at other yacht clubs around the country. I belong to one and am able to stay for free or vary few dollars. Using the reciprocal privileges and facilities of the other clubs. Just make sure that you join a club that has great reciprocal privileges around the country. Jack "Mike" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? |
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Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward
and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Peggie Hall wrote: Mike wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water... I assume you mean pump out the waste holding tank. Toilet waste is black water...gray water is shower, bath and galley sink water, which isn't held (except on two inland lakes and some specifically designated areas of the FLKeys National Marine Sanctuary), but drains directly overboard. "No discharge" laws pertain only to toilet waste. and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Some marinas charge extra for pumpout...I know of none that charge for fresh water. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Kelton Joyner wrote:
Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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North Palm Beach marina charges for water unless you
buy $15 worth of gas. The charge is only $5 for as much water as you want though. We came across several other marinas along the ICW that had similar policies. Doug "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Kelton Joyner wrote: Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Peggie Hall wrote:
Kelton Joyner wrote: Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Jere,
We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water as long as the rate is fair. Doug "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Peggie Hall wrote: Kelton Joyner wrote: Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Marina question -- Trash
Doug Dotson wrote:
Jere, We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water as long as the rate is fair. Doug "...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries? (absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets annoying pretty quickly. As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Marina question -- Trash
Jere,
Unfortunately, contributing money or not to Oxford's economy has no impact on the marina that has to pay real money to have their trash hauled away. Belhaven, NC has a real nice dingy dock and trash recepticles for cruiser trash. All of it is paid for by by the city. That is the way it should be for towns that have nearby anchorages and benefit from cruisers that contribute to the local economy. But, many achorages near marinas have no reasonable access to anything but the marina itself. Even if a visitor to the marina buys lots of stuff, the cost of trash disposal, water, etc still comes off their bottom line. Doug "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Jere, We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water as long as the rate is fair. Doug "...as long as the rate is fair." is the operative phrase. When they try to charge $1 for a shopping bag of trash, though?..... Or $5 to fill up our 25 gallons of water? or $5 or more to charge our batteries? (absolute max we could accept over 24 hours would be 3 kwh...) That gets annoying pretty quickly. As to why the marina should bear the cost: business! I won't go to a marina that has such policies except as a last resort and will buy only the absolute minimum if I have to go there. For instance, when we visit the Oxford area, we save our shopping & such for Cambridge. That's typically $1-200 that we don't contribute to Oxford's economy. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Marina question -- Trash
Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've
heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. I can understand charging to drop your garbage off--although in fairness, that ought to be by the pound--dumpster service is expensive... And I can also understand why marinas that aren't connected to a sewer charging for a second pumpout to rinse out a tank, 'cuz pumper trucks cost even more than dumpster trucks. But do these same marinas also charge to hose fuel or pumpout drips off your boat? Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
Marina question -- Trash
Peggie,
The dumpster companies don't charge by weight so that doesn't really make sense. They charge per pickup which is generally on a schedule or when the client requests. The only savings the client has is to wait until it is really full. Something you can see on a busy weekend when the trash is piled all around the dumpster. Once the dumpster is emptied, the client has to toss all the stuff piled around in for the next pickup. More money invested by the marina for no return. Max cost per pumpout is dictated by the FEDs since most of the pumpouts were installed via grants and last I knew it was $5. Rinsing is just part of the process. Charging for drips is just silly I believe. Doug "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. I can understand charging to drop your garbage off--although in fairness, that ought to be by the pound--dumpster service is expensive... And I can also understand why marinas that aren't connected to a sewer charging for a second pumpout to rinse out a tank, 'cuz pumper trucks cost even more than dumpster trucks. But do these same marinas also charge to hose fuel or pumpout drips off your boat? Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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I have heard that a lot of the water in the Bahamas is reverse osmosis
water. That water is not cheap to make. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Jere, We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water as long as the rate is fair. Doug "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Peggie Hall wrote: Kelton Joyner wrote: Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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That's true. Most of the water we found was RO water. Still not all
that expensive though. $0.15/gal was typical. The real tough one was at Treasure Cay that charged $8.00/day flat rate for water and + $17/day for electric. One of the places in Marsh Harbor used to sell water by the gallon to boats at anchor (bring your jugs, etc), but stopped doing it. Another one sold water to $5 for all you wanted to fill your tanks, wash your dog, wash you boat, but you had to tie your boat up to their dock during the process. Tough for us except at high tide. All in all, water wasn't all that much trouble. Trash disposal wasn't much trouble either. Most places were either free or a buck per bag. Pretty fair IMHO. Doug s/v Callista "Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message ... I have heard that a lot of the water in the Bahamas is reverse osmosis water. That water is not cheap to make. "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Jere, We just reopened our business in a marina and are being charged for trash removal. Turns out that it costs $80 each time our dumpster is emptied and that's is twice a week. I have no problem if a marina charges a buck or two for trash disposal. On a busy weekend, anchored out boats can easily fill a dumpster. Why should the marina bear the cost? Same thing with water as long as the rate is fair. Doug "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Peggie Hall wrote: Kelton Joyner wrote: Every Marina I have stopped at in the Bahamas, Virgin Islands, Leeward and Windward Islands charged for fresh water (up to $0.50/gal) except Great Exuma. In Great Exuma, it was free at the spring, but you have to ferry in in jerry cans. Kelton s/v Isle Escape Thank you for sharing that information, Kelton...but since he's only thinking of buying a boat--and a gas powered one at that--I doubt if he was wondering about marinas in the Bahamas, VI and etc...only about marinas in the US. Can you name one in the US that charges for water? Unluckily, yes. Annapolis (forget name of place) started charging this season and I believe St. Michaels' City Dock was charging. Some of the uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Interesting thread, charge for water, and garbage. You may want to spend a
night in the local marinas transient slips. They usually charge about 0.50 cents a foot and include the water and electric. Transient slips are run by the city county or state. They have ample facilities including waist pump-out and trash dumpsters. So look around and see what's available in your area. Jack "Mike" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? |
Marina question -- Trash
Doug Dotson wrote:
Max cost per pumpout is dictated by the FEDs since most of the pumpouts were installed via grants and last I knew it was $5. That's how it's supposed to work anyway...but no one is monitoring it and the marinas who can get away with charging more are. Rinsing is just part of the process. Charging for drips is just silly I believe. Rinsing off, yes...but I was referring to rinsing out the tank by adding some water to it after pumpout to stir up any sludge and pumping that out. A LOT of marinas charge for a second pumpout to rinse out the tank, even if only a few gallons of water go into the tank. My own YC did (and I assume still does). Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
Marina question -- Trash
Peggie Hall wrote:
Welll...all I can say is, I'll be damned. 'Cuz this is the first I've heard of ANY marina in the US charging for water. Not many, and all that I mentioned have easy access to city water. I agree with fair and reasonable charges for water that has to be made, trucked or shipped, BUT they charge more for city water than RO in the islands. All are in so-called "premium" destinations though they're services are only average, so my best guess is that they're simply charging what the market will bear for whatever they can get away with for as long as they can. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Generally, if you take a slip then trash, water, etc is included (not so
in the Bahamas). I was referring to these services used by boat in nearby anchorages. I might not have stated that explicitly. Doug "Jack Rye" .# wrote in message news:0Zreb.8981$Rd4.2453@fed1read07... Interesting thread, charge for water, and garbage. You may want to spend a night in the local marinas transient slips. They usually charge about 0.50 cents a foot and include the water and electric. Transient slips are run by the city county or state. They have ample facilities including waist pump-out and trash dumpsters. So look around and see what's available in your area. Jack "Mike" wrote in message ... I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? |
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Jere Lull wrote:
... Some of the uppity ones are charging for trash, or at least being nasty about it. After all, they have to pay the mob to haul it south for them )c: |
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In Virginia, marinas are not allowed to make a profit on electricity.
They can only charge for their cost to distribute plus their cost from the utility. I wonder if that goes for water and/or trash too. Ron |
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Ron Thornton wrote:
In Virginia, marinas are not allowed to make a profit on electricity. They can only charge for their cost to distribute plus their cost from the utility. That may have to do with the source of their electricity. If it's supplied by an electric cooperative--which are common in rural areas, neither the co-op nor its customers are allowed to make a profit...as you said, they can only pass along their actual costs. I learned about the differences between public utility power companies and electric co-ops about 10 years ago when a marina in on Lanier in GA who had been marking up their power bills to slip holders had to decrease the price--and, IIRC, also had to credit their accounts for at a portion of the amounts they'd been over-charging 'em. I wonder if that goes for water and/or trash too. Unlikely unless also supplied by a co-op. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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"Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't think you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and
very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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No co-op here. Only Dominion Power. I think it has to do with the way
utilities are licensed and regulated. Ron |
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Doug,
I'll second that, Bucksport was great. We stopped there in January on the way home to NC from FL. The dockage was cheap and so was the fuel. The meal we had at the restaraunt was the best one we have had yet and we were the only ones there. They treated us like part of the family. Phil "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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x-no-archive:yes "Doug Dotson" wrote:
Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. I've never been there - the docks look pretty rickety to me. I've heard it recommended for the sausage, but I don't like sausage so I've never tried it. We usually go to Wacca Wachee just a bit down from there. Last time we went we got a ride over to Brookgreen Gardens. Leland Marine in McClellansville is also pretty cheap, but they have fixed docks and a 6 foot tide. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
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Speaking of trash..
I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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But then the marina would have to get the city to pay to have the
trash hauled out of the marina. The marina charges because they have to pay to get rid of your trash. If the local communties want to encourage visits, then they have to somehow help defray the costs incurred by the marina for such visits. In the case of trash, someone has to pay the trash company for their services. Marina, city, or cruiser. Who produces the trash, so who should to pay to dispose of it? I have to pay for it where I live, so why should I expect someone else to pay for it if I need to get rid of it where I travel? Doug s/v Callista "Steve" wrote in message ... Speaking of trash.. I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. -- My opinion and experience. FWIW Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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Absolutely!
"Phil" wrote in message ... Doug, I'll second that, Bucksport was great. We stopped there in January on the way home to NC from FL. The dockage was cheap and so was the fuel. The meal we had at the restaraunt was the best one we have had yet and we were the only ones there. They treated us like part of the family. Phil "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ |
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Bucksport is an old place. Currently under renovation under
new ownership. Docks are not rickety in any sense although they do appear old from a distance. Showers and laundry are free because they just give you a key to the unoccupied house on the property. Sausage is fantastic. We still have some in the freezer. Doug .... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Doug Dotson" wrote: Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. I've never been there - the docks look pretty rickety to me. I've heard it recommended for the sausage, but I don't like sausage so I've never tried it. We usually go to Wacca Wachee just a bit down from there. Last time we went we got a ride over to Brookgreen Gardens. Leland Marine in McClellansville is also pretty cheap, but they have fixed docks and a 6 foot tide. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
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To what area? I brought a couple of cases home from FL. Still none near me
in NC "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Bucksport is an old place. Currently under renovation under new ownership. Docks are not rickety in any sense although they do appear old from a distance. Showers and laundry are free because they just give you a key to the unoccupied house on the property. Sausage is fantastic. We still have some in the freezer. Doug ... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Doug Dotson" wrote: Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. I've never been there - the docks look pretty rickety to me. I've heard it recommended for the sausage, but I don't like sausage so I've never tried it. We usually go to Wacca Wachee just a bit down from there. Last time we went we got a ride over to Brookgreen Gardens. Leland Marine in McClellansville is also pretty cheap, but they have fixed docks and a 6 foot tide. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
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Pasadena, MD. $24/case
"Phil" wrote in message ... To what area? I brought a couple of cases home from FL. Still none near me in NC "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... Bucksport is an old place. Currently under renovation under new ownership. Docks are not rickety in any sense although they do appear old from a distance. Showers and laundry are free because they just give you a key to the unoccupied house on the property. Sausage is fantastic. We still have some in the freezer. Doug ... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "Doug Dotson" wrote: Check out Bucksport Plantation Marina, SC. $0.50 foot and very friendly. Nice restaurant as well. Got stuck there for 7 days because our 62' mast couldn't get under the 65' fixed bridge just north of there. I've never been there - the docks look pretty rickety to me. I've heard it recommended for the sausage, but I don't like sausage so I've never tried it. We usually go to Wacca Wachee just a bit down from there. Last time we went we got a ride over to Brookgreen Gardens. Leland Marine in McClellansville is also pretty cheap, but they have fixed docks and a 6 foot tide. Doug s/v Callista "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "Jack Rye" .# wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: That's good news - I think. I have not been on the Gulf Coast, the West Coast, the Great Lakes or on any fresh water at all. I have no experience of any of the marinas on the list except that I did stay once at the York River marina (if that is the one on Sarah Creek) and thought it was way overpriced, especially the restaurant. I would not have thought that they needed any extra money for anything - a very yuppie place. I have stayed at some municipal marinas - Crisfield, MD, Titusville, Ft. Pierce, St. Augustine, Fernandina Beach, and New Smyrna Beach Florida, Beaufort SC, and I think Miamarina in Miami is also a municipal or county marina. Some of them (most of them) are wonderful. I don't think much of the St. Augustine one. None of them charged as little as 50 cents a foot. I've also stayed at some really cheap marinas and even some places that were free. The Visitor's Center in the Dismal Swamp, Elizabeth City NC, Barefoot Landing and while it is for sale apparently Robb's in Belhaven are free but have no electricity or other services. Ross Marine in SC, and the docks at McClellanville are very cheap. Some places you can get moorings for less, and usually (but not always) anchoring is free. Florida Tampa Convention Center, Tampa Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($250,000) Louisiana Bucktown Harbor Marina, Lake Pontchartrain, for new transient docking facilities ($407,000) Cypress Cove Marina, Mississippi River, for new transient docking facilities ($200,000) Mississippi Coleman State Park, Tennessee River, for repairing harbor dike and adding safety features for transient boaters ($224,000) Ohio Middle Bass Island State Park, to install 60 transient slips, completing work initiated with BIG program funds in 2001 ($861,383) Oregon Port of Astoria, Columbia River, construct and renovate transient docking facilities ($354,750) South Carolina Charleston City Dock, Ashley River, for new transient docking facilities ($1,198,000) Virginia Yorktown Harbor, York River, Chesapeake Bay, for new transient docking facilities ($600,000) Washington Hanford Reach Gateway Dock, Columbia River, for new transient docking facilities ($299,982) Jack "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . (Mike) wrote: I'm thinking of buying a cruiser in the near future and have some questions on Marina use. If you're just stopping for gas, can you discharge your grey water and fill with fresh water at the gas stop. Is there a charge for it above the price of gas? Depending on the type of boat - diesel is really the fuel of choice. Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Having read this thread, I'm going to answer the questions others have brought up all at once. 1) Pumpout as Peggy says is black water and not grey water. I don't th ink you'd put even grey water in your fresh water tanks, so you don't refill the tanks BTW. People charge for pumpout regardless of whether you have stopped for gas or are spending the night. Sometimes it is as little as $5. Sometimes it is much more. Sometimes it is not even available. 2) Filling up with fresh water - yes Peggy there are places in the US that charge for that - Marathon in the Florida Keys charges for water. 3) Small gasoline powered boats can and do go to the Bahamas from Florida all the time. It is only 42 miles from Miami. Many places in the Bahamas have R/O water at to the docks and it is almost always charged for. Many places have a mandatory water charge. That's because people will say - no I won't need water - and then they'll sneak out at night and wash the salt off their boat. Sometimes the water at the docks is brackish and not suitable for drinking. In Nassau it is trucked in from Andros and tastes like swimming pool water - it isn't suitable for making coffee or tea. 4) I find the average price for a transient slip along the ICW is $1.00/ft plus electricity and taxes. Some places are free - some charge less and some charge more. That's from Virginia down to Florida. I would regard $1.50/foot as too much to pay and wouldn't go there. 5) There are very few yacht clubs that do the exchange thing anymore, and IMHO it is way more expensive to join a club where you could do that than it is just to pay for a slip. I've only been a few places where I could not get any slip except at a yacht club which only took other yacht club members. Transient slips at marinas are NOT generally run by the local government and are NOT only 50cents /ft including water and electric. 6) Some places with transient docking do not take reservations - it is first come first serve. In other places you can make reservations but they don't always honor them. Or you can guarantee them with a credit card. But I've made a reservation and done that, and ended up on the gas dock because people that were going to leave - didn't. 7) Most of the time if you pay for dockage you get trash disposal as a part of the fee. However if you anchor out and come into the dinghy dock you may be charged for trash disposal and also for used of the showers and other facilities. This varies according to the area. grandma Rosalie http://www12.virtualtourist.com/m/4a9c6/ grandma Rosalie |
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anonymous wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:37:50 GMT, Peggie Hall said: That may have to do with the source of their electricity. If it's supplied by an electric cooperative--which are common in rural areas, neither the co-op nor its customers are allowed to make a profit...as you said, they can only pass along their actual costs. Classic example of what happens when you get the misguided guvmint involved. Of course they make a profit by supplying the electricity. They just have to charge more to the users who don't use it instead of just the ones who do. Classic example of mouth engaging without brain. Electric co-ops are "member" owned...the only thing the gov't has to do with 'em is the regulation against making a profit. In fact, co-ops usually supply power at a much cheaper rate than for-profit publicly owned electric companies. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Steve wrote:
I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. So you think you should get a service for free that costs marinas money? -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Jack Rye wrote:
The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: Jack, if you'd ever priced the cost of construction these days, you'd know those grants aren't big. For starters, all the nonsense required by the EPA is liekly to cost the marinas at least half the amounts they got. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Peggie Hall wrote: Jack Rye wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: Jack, if you'd ever priced the cost of construction these days, you'd know those grants aren't big. For starters, all the nonsense required by the EPA is liekly to cost the marinas at least half the amounts they got. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html Yes when I actually looked at the amounts I tend to agree. Plus the places that I know personally seem very strangely chosen. Smells a little bit like pork grandma Rosalie |
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I would not be surprised at all up there. GEtting rid of garbage on an
island is always a problem. They probably have to pay a bunch to have it hauled over to Bellingham. Steve wrote: Speaking of trash.. I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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Well Peggie I have stayed at the Charleston City Dock, on the Ashley River.
I do have to say that it was one of the best places I have stayed including the west coast where we live. I don't know if they had matching funds or just the grant. But for three years running it one of the best docks to stay at. As far as I am concerned if they can spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a useless ball field. For over paid, under educated so called athletes. They can build transient docks for the boating community. Jack Oyster 56 "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... Jack Rye wrote: The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced a total of $4,395,115 in grants to eight States to help improve docking facilities for transient, non-trailerable boats along the navigable waterways of the United States. Following the competitive process, the Service announced the following BIG grants: Jack, if you'd ever priced the cost of construction these days, you'd know those grants aren't big. For starters, all the nonsense required by the EPA is liekly to cost the marinas at least half the amounts they got. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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