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Doug Dotson wrote:
... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! ???? HOW can it be cheaper in the US than in the islands where, I believe, it's produced -- AND where there's a hefty tax on top of shipping...???? Doug: Could you check on a bottle and see where yours was produced? Could this be a "produced under authority of...." type of thing? -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Peggie Hall wrote:
Steve wrote: I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there shouldn't be any charge for trash. So you think you should get a service for free that costs marinas money? Not, if my impression is correct that Deer Harbor is an isolated or at least very remote area. $3.50 for a small bag sounds incredibly overpriced -- seemingly designed to have the boaters take their trash back with them (not itself bad) -- but if the actual costs to properly dispose of that much trash are that high, I don't disagree. Then again, in the BVI and other Caribbean islands, they charge a nominal $1 per big trash bag and burn it on the other side of the island, making a living in the process. My proximate complaint is charging quite a bit more than costs. For instance, charging $1 for each of our little trash (grocery store) bags is FAR in excess of the cost to haul it away (and my hazy recollection was that the charge was higher). The dumpsters at our marina can hold several hundreds of these little bags and probably a hundred or two big garbage bags. My underlying complaint is charging for each and every thing -- the MBA mentality. I have basic disagreements with that philosophy. The bottom line might improve for a while, but will degrade if there's any intelligent competition. For instance, Worton Creek Marina [the least accessible of the marinas at Worton Creek] used to give free pumpouts if you got some fuel (even our usual 3 gallons). Heck, that was only $5 , but because I liked their attitude, we'd bypass the other marinas and brave the skinny water to give them business even if we really didn't need fuel or a pumpout. (Since they eliminated that, we only stop by when we need their better store.) Boats don't demand much compared to the business they bring. Charging specifically for water, trash, showers, minimal electric and such when the average demand on these things is small and the costs low is short sighted. On our little Xan, we can easily stay out for a week at a time (our water and holding tanks being our limits), so we can (usually) pick and choose our marina and anchorage stops. Those places that $5 and $10 us to death get little of our repeat business. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Kakik
Bottle is the same one as in the Bahamas other than the
info about thge import company. Brewed by the Commonwealth Brewing Company, Nassau, Bahamas. Imported by Fischer Beverages International, White Plains, NY. $6.75 per six pack here, case price $24 or so. Go figure. Doug "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: ... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! ???? HOW can it be cheaper in the US than in the islands where, I believe, it's produced -- AND where there's a hefty tax on top of shipping...???? Doug: Could you check on a bottle and see where yours was produced? Could this be a "produced under authority of...." type of thing? -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Peggie Hall wrote:
anonymous wrote: On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 19:37:50 GMT, Peggie Hall said: That may have to do with the source of their electricity. If it's supplied by an electric cooperative--which are common in rural areas, neither the co-op nor its customers are allowed to make a profit...as you said, they can only pass along their actual costs. Classic example of what happens when you get the misguided guvmint involved. Of course they make a profit by supplying the electricity. They just have to charge more to the users who don't use it instead of just the ones who do. Classic example of mouth engaging without brain. Electric co-ops are "member" owned...the only thing the gov't has to do with 'em is the regulation against making a profit. In fact, co-ops usually supply power at a much cheaper rate than for-profit publicly owned electric companies. When I was farming I bought supplies and electricity from co-op.s. Suppliers like Southern States set prices to avoid loss so there was always a little profit left at the end of each year. That money was paid back to "producers" (members) pro-rata based on how many $$$ each member spent with them - an after the fact discount if you will that erased all profits and made a nice xmas bonus. The electric co-op did the same but all users were included as members. How that equates to charging non-users instead of users escapes me. |
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Glenn Ashmore ) wrote:
: I would not be surprised at all up there. GEtting rid of garbage on an : island is always a problem. They probably have to pay a bunch to have : it hauled over to Bellingham. You pay for the dock, an outragious fee for electricity, and showers. I don't recall if you pay for water or not. It's been a couple years since I been at Deer Harbor, but Friday Harbor the trash is free. Same with other marinas in the area. I've always felt that Deer Harbor was out to squeeze every penny they could. : Steve wrote: : Speaking of trash.. : : I was surprised then they wanted to charge me $3.50 for a small bag of trash : at the dock at Deer Harbor in the San Juans, WA. : : It these local communities want to encourage visits by boater and want these : boaters to refrain from tossing trash in the water or in the woods, there : shouldn't be any charge for trash. : : : -- : Glenn Ashmore : I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack : there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com : Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com -- Jim Hollenback my opinion. |
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Vito wrote:
When I was farming I bought supplies and electricity from co-op.s. Suppliers like Southern States set prices to avoid loss so there was always a little profit left at the end of each year. That money was paid back to "producers" (members) pro-rata based on how many $$$ each member spent with them - an after the fact discount if you will that erased all profits and made a nice xmas bonus. The electric co-op did the same but all users were included as members. How that equates to charging non-users instead of users escapes me. The way it works is, marina is the member/subscriber to the co-cop...and it's the marina who gets the "master bill" from the co-op. All the lines going to the docks and the meters to each boat are the marina's...the meters at each slip are what the marina uses to itemize how much power each boat is using...and it's the marina who's collecting from each one. It's the same as if you'd put separate meters on your house, barns and any other outbuildings or farmhand quarters and charged the occupants for their pro-rata share of the power used. They pay you, but it's you pays the co-op for the total amount used. What's illegal is charging the occupants to whom you sub-let power more than just their pro-rata share of your total usage. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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anonymous wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 02:22:47 GMT, Peggie Hall said: Classic example of mouth engaging without brain. Electric co-ops are "member" owned...the only thing the gov't has to do with 'em is the regulation against making a profit. Nope. Just proves my point. Guvmint does one thing with them and it's the wrong thing. Each co-op comprises a bunch of individuals who got together to (in this case) buy electricity. It pays no taxes because it makes no profits. AFAIK the Gummymint doesn't actually forbid profits; it just takes away their "co-op" (nonprofit) tax status if they do. If this is "the wrong thing" how do you think they should be treated? |
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Peggie Hall wrote:
The way it works is, marina is the member/subscriber to the co-cop...and it's the marina who gets the "master bill" from the co-op. All the lines going to the docks and the meters to each boat are the marina's...the meters at each slip are what the marina uses to itemize how much power each boat is using... Ah so! The marina I'm moored in normally provides water and electric as part of one's slip rental but if you live aboard they charge a somewhat arbitrary additional fee based on experience and boat size (ie, expected useage). Most sailors only spend a few hours a month using services because they're either home or out sailing so the cost is negligable. A few like me spend most weekends working on our boats but aren't charged. Fewer yet live aboard and pay extra. |
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Y'all need to do a little homework into electric co-ops. (I wouldn't
know anythng about 'em if I hadn't been on the board of my marina's tenant association, btw--the same marina that was overcharging its tenants for electricity)...they aren't a group of individuals, they're a buying group formed to bring power into rural areas that aren't profitable for the big guys--from whom they buy power. They aren't wholesalers or retailers, just one type of the major utilities' customer. However, although co-ops are member owned, they're managed just like any other utility...the difference being that both profits and expenses are shared by the members. Co-ops buy power from the major power companies...they also bear the cost of running the lines and maintaining 'em. Just as members get back any money that wasn't needed for expenses, they can also be assessed additional amounts if necessary. Co-ops are not subsidized...nor are they allowed to be resellers--which is what the marina tried to be. They're a break-even way for a population to buy power for less than it would cost the major utilities to supply it--which would be MUCH higher in rural areas than in cities because of the lower ratio of customers to square miles...IF a major utility would even run the lines. Most won't because the return on the investment would be a negative...which is the reason why electric co-ops exist in the first place. At least all that's the way it used to work...but since deregulation, I could be all wet. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Agreed! There would be no electricity between Macon and Albany GA if it
were not for the co-ops. Peggie Hall wrote: Y'all need to do a little homework into electric co-ops. (I wouldn't know anythng about 'em if I hadn't been on the board of my marina's tenant association, btw--the same marina that was overcharging its tenants for electricity)...they aren't a group of individuals, they're a buying group formed to bring power into rural areas that aren't profitable for the big guys--from whom they buy power. They aren't wholesalers or retailers, just one type of the major utilities' customer. However, although co-ops are member owned, they're managed just like any other utility...the difference being that both profits and expenses are shared by the members. Co-ops buy power from the major power companies...they also bear the cost of running the lines and maintaining 'em. Just as members get back any money that wasn't needed for expenses, they can also be assessed additional amounts if necessary. Co-ops are not subsidized...nor are they allowed to be resellers--which is what the marina tried to be. They're a break-even way for a population to buy power for less than it would cost the major utilities to supply it--which would be MUCH higher in rural areas than in cities because of the lower ratio of customers to square miles...IF a major utility would even run the lines. Most won't because the return on the investment would be a negative...which is the reason why electric co-ops exist in the first place. At least all that's the way it used to work...but since deregulation, I could be all wet. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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anonymous wrote:
Ah, a tale of straw into gold. The Brothers Grimm would be proud. Iow, if you don't choose to believe it, it has to be a fairy tale. Which is just another way of saying "don't bother with facts, your mind is made up." Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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anonymous wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:38:27 GMT, Peggie Hall said: Iow, if you don't choose to believe it, it has to be a fairy tale. sigh I've never had much success trying to persuade those flat earth people of the error of their ways either. g So you do know all about electric co-ops? -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:04:09 -0400, Glenn Ashmore wrote: Agreed! There would be no electricity between Macon and Albany GA if it were not for the co-ops. Yup and no freezers on the front porch. Or clothes washers on the back porch. :) My grandparents' farm in the middle of nowhere Alabama didn't have electricity until TVA finally ran lines sometime after my mother graduated from high school in 1934. It was the 50's before they had a phone. They've both been gone a long time, and the farm was sold years ago...but I don't THINK there's any cable TV there yet. When I was a little girl Grandma had a washer, but didn't have a water heater or a dryer. So water was heated over a wood fire in a big cast iron pot, ladled into buckets and carried to the washer--on the back porch, which made laundry considerably more of a challenge than it is today 'cuz water had to be carried for both the wash and rinse cycles. But that was a lot easier than doing the laundry in the cast iron pot...which is what she had to do before TVA made it possible to buy the washer. And we think we have something to complain about if a storm takes out the power for a couple of days! Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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http://www.nreca.org/ http://www.unitedelectric.org/ http://www.ravallielectric.com/ http://www.clayelectric.com/ http://www.nvec.org/ http://www.matanuska.com/ http://www.laurenselectric.com/ http://www.aeci.org/index.html http://www.blueridgenet.com/ Here is a list of CO-OPS May be you should start with the mission statement, then go to history, then the annual meeting or just spouting off about the how flat the world is. Jack "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 23:38:27 GMT, Peggie Hall said: Iow, if you don't choose to believe it, it has to be a fairy tale. sigh I've never had much success trying to persuade those flat earth people of the error of their ways either. g |
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Yea, yea Pegg. And I walked to school 20 miles every day. Up hill
both ways! In the snow! :) Doug "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:04:09 -0400, Glenn Ashmore wrote: Agreed! There would be no electricity between Macon and Albany GA if it were not for the co-ops. Yup and no freezers on the front porch. Or clothes washers on the back porch. :) My grandparents' farm in the middle of nowhere Alabama didn't have electricity until TVA finally ran lines sometime after my mother graduated from high school in 1934. It was the 50's before they had a phone. They've both been gone a long time, and the farm was sold years ago...but I don't THINK there's any cable TV there yet. When I was a little girl Grandma had a washer, but didn't have a water heater or a dryer. So water was heated over a wood fire in a big cast iron pot, ladled into buckets and carried to the washer--on the back porch, which made laundry considerably more of a challenge than it is today 'cuz water had to be carried for both the wash and rinse cycles. But that was a lot easier than doing the laundry in the cast iron pot...which is what she had to do before TVA made it possible to buy the washer. And we think we have something to complain about if a storm takes out the power for a couple of days! Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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No, he just adds $$$ to slip rates. Very fair. It costs $$$ to run a
marina even if they offer no services. Doug "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On 2 Oct 2003 15:47:07 -0500, anonymous wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:09:14 -0400, Vito said: How that equates to charging non-users instead of users escapes me. Your frame of reference is too narrow. What Peggy was talking about was charging boats that use electricity at cost. But one cost of any business is profit. If the marina operator doesn't make a profit he doesn't operate a marina. If the price he charges for electricity to some is limited, he has to make his profit by charging everybody more for something else. Hence the effect is that everybody gets charged for the profit element that would have come from the electrical usage charge if it weren't limited. This is bizarre logic. I guess if he doesn't sell gas, spark plugs, air, ice or whatever, he needs to just add $$$ to everything else until an arbitrary profit is obtained. |
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Oh...phhhbbbttt! :)
Doug Dotson wrote: Yea, yea Pegg. And I walked to school 20 miles every day. Up hill both ways! In the snow! :) Doug "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:04:09 -0400, Glenn Ashmore wrote: Agreed! There would be no electricity between Macon and Albany GA if it were not for the co-ops. Yup and no freezers on the front porch. Or clothes washers on the back porch. :) My grandparents' farm in the middle of nowhere Alabama didn't have electricity until TVA finally ran lines sometime after my mother graduated from high school in 1934. It was the 50's before they had a phone. They've both been gone a long time, and the farm was sold years ago...but I don't THINK there's any cable TV there yet. When I was a little girl Grandma had a washer, but didn't have a water heater or a dryer. So water was heated over a wood fire in a big cast iron pot, ladled into buckets and carried to the washer--on the back porch, which made laundry considerably more of a challenge than it is today 'cuz water had to be carried for both the wash and rinse cycles. But that was a lot easier than doing the laundry in the cast iron pot...which is what she had to do before TVA made it possible to buy the washer. And we think we have something to complain about if a storm takes out the power for a couple of days! Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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WaIIy wrote:
It's pretty cool that you were able to experience your grandparent's place. You're fortunate. I think so too. :-) Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Haha! Ever read "The Devil's Dictionary"? Under "advice" it says: "Asking
for someone's approval of a course of action you've already decided upon." "Peggie Hall" wrote in message ... anonymous wrote: Ah, a tale of straw into gold. The Brothers Grimm would be proud. Iow, if you don't choose to believe it, it has to be a fairy tale. Which is just another way of saying "don't bother with facts, your mind is made up." Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327 http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
Kalik
The only thing interesting and usful in this whole "Marina Question" string
is about the beer!! We bought it everywhere in FL and it's maybe $6 or $7 a 6 pack. I wish we had it in NC.mmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer!!!! "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: ... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! ???? HOW can it be cheaper in the US than in the islands where, I believe, it's produced -- AND where there's a hefty tax on top of shipping...???? Doug: Could you check on a bottle and see where yours was produced? Could this be a "produced under authority of...." type of thing? -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Well, we now have it here. Maybe the states in between FL and MD will
start to fill in. Doug "Phil" wrote in message m... The only thing interesting and usful in this whole "Marina Question" string is about the beer!! We bought it everywhere in FL and it's maybe $6 or $7 a 6 pack. I wish we had it in NC.mmmmmmmmmmmmmm beer!!!! "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: ... ... ALERT, ALERT... Just picked up a case of KALIK at my local liquor store. They have finally started importing to our area. Alot cheaper than the $35/case in Marsh Harbor! Life is good again! We carried 2 cases all the way from Marsh Harbor to home last spring. Much easier this way! ???? HOW can it be cheaper in the US than in the islands where, I believe, it's produced -- AND where there's a hefty tax on top of shipping...???? Doug: Could you check on a bottle and see where yours was produced? Could this be a "produced under authority of...." type of thing? -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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anonymous wrote:
On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:09:14 -0400, Vito said: How that equates to charging non-users instead of users escapes me. Your frame of reference is too narrow. What Peggy was talking about was charging boats that use electricity at cost. But one cost of any business is profit. Thlatter is simply not true. Profit is not a business expense it's an investment incentive. There were (and still are) many needed services that simply do not offer enough profit potential to interest investors, so folks needing a service(s) formed their own nonprofit companies to provide it. Their need replaced profit as an incentive for them to invest. This proved so popular that the Government defined a special class of nonprofit corporation - the co-op - with standardized rules. Co-ops are simply non-profit corp.s operating under rules set for Government convenience. The 1000s of corporations operating sans profit disprove that "one cost of any business is profit". Marinas must offer something to attract customers. Collecting for those services IS a business cost but how the owner does that is his prerogative. Also, the prices he charges are based on customer demand, NOT his cost of providing service. It costs less to build and maintain slips adjacent to shore yet such slips rent for more than those out near the end of an expensive pier. The marina I use doesn't charge for electricity or water per se, it is included in slip fees. Ditto every motel I ever stayed in. Some use more than their neighbors but in the owner's experience that difference is too negligible to warrant the cost of seperate collection, not to mention the cost of 100s of meters, one at each slip, which must ultimately be passed on to his customers as higher prices; making his marina less attractive. If I'm so worried about subsidizing my neighbor's electricity that I'd prefer to pay higher rent in a place with meters, then I can and should move to one. After all, voting with my $$$ is capitalism in action, right? If the owner of Ms Peggy's marina wants to make a profit on electricity he can; he just cannot buy it from a co-op first. All he needs is his own small reactor and ..... (c: |
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Mein furher wo Kunst thou. As to Mein Kamph it was an interesting book so
was the writings of Neiche, Mao's little red book, and lets not forget the articles from 1905 to 1952 of Joseph Stalin. Of course the Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan Said Clintons economic ideas of strengthening the economy would not work and fail miserablely. Keep telling yourself that VooDoo economics worked for Regan and now Bush. While you waist away your money. As for gravity, it's only an illusion done with smoke and mirrors. Keep sailing on the flat world. When you get to the edge. You can just keep going with your logic. I still read over 100 books a year. Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Jack "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 18:49:05 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Here is a list of CO-OPS May be you should start with the mission statement, then go to history, then the annual meeting And would you suggest that the best reference for the background of WWII would be Mein Kampf? Most folks know you can't repeal the law of gravity, but it's amazing how many are willing to swallow whole the notion that you can repeal the laws of economics. |
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I still read over 100 books a year. Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Are we supposed to be impressed? 1¾ ************************************************** * The reply e-dress is a dead end. If you want me to read your e-mail, send it to "dropbox" at the same ISP. |
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Scott McQueen wrote:
[someone snipped by someone wrote] ... I still read over 100 books a year. Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Are we supposed to be impressed? When you say "we." are you writing with a particular group in mind? I usually prefer to join only a few new clubs each year. I'm on a fixed (or is it "broken"?) income and the dues can add up. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.tripod.com |
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In article , "Armond Perretta" wrote:
Scott McQueen wrote: [someone snipped by someone wrote] ... I still read over 100 books a year. Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Are we supposed to be impressed? When you say "we." are you writing with a particular group in mind? I usually prefer to join only a few new clubs each year. I'm on a fixed (or is it "broken"?) income and the dues can add up. It was a generic "we" not trying to include or exclude any particular person. 1¾ ************************************************** * The reply e-dress is a dead end. If you want me to read your e-mail, send it to "dropbox" at the same ISP. |
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I spent the night of my high school graduation passed out under Samuelson's coffee table.
Does that count? "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:40:41 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Samuelson, perhaps? |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Wow, I have to pay 25GBP per ft where I am :-s |
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"h1r3z" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Wow, I have to pay 25GBP per ft where I am :-s Per day? For one day? Where? grandma Rosalie |
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Man has this thread degraded into nothingness.
"anonymous" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:40:41 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Keep telling yourself that VooDoo economics worked for Regan Regan, if I recall, was one of Lear's daughters. Reagan on the other hand... Now lesee. Who was it that first used the phrase "VooDoo economics" in his presidential campaign, and what was the result of that campaign? And over the following 8 years what did the GNP do? |
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Robert Service?
Jeff Morris wrote: I spent the night of my high school graduation passed out under Samuelson's coffee table. Does that count? "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:40:41 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Samuelson, perhaps? |
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Do you mean Paul Sameulson who's theories were developed in the 1930 thru
the 70's. I read that crap in high school. A little outdated today. With the fast paced changing economic situation. I prefer the winner of the Ig Nobel Prize for Economics. Karl Schwaerzler. Who wants you to take over Liechtenstein -- for your next convention, wedding or bar mitzvah. His big plans for renting out the tiny country earned him an Ig Nobel Prize on Thursday 10-03-2003 in an irreverent ceremony at Harvard University. Nice try. You finished second in a two car race. Congratulations on your second place victory. Jack "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:40:41 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Samuelson, perhaps? |
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Really. True story - I grew up a few miles from Harvard Square (he was actually at MIT)
and his second daughter was a classmate. The Samuelson's hosted an "after graduation" party. My favorite work of poetry is "The Cremation of Sam McGee." In an odd coincidence, it was also my mother's favorite and we had both memorized it, unknown to the other. Many years later we found ourselves quoting verses back and forth. http://www.wordfocus.com/wordactcremation.html "Kelton Joyner" wrote in message ... Robert Service? Jeff Morris wrote: I spent the night of my high school graduation passed out under Samuelson's coffee table. Does that count? "anonymous" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:40:41 -0700, "Jack Rye" .# said: Would you like to try for someting I haven't read? Samuelson, perhaps? |
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Jeff Morris wrote:
My favorite work of poetry is "The Cremation of Sam McGee." In an odd coincidence, it was also my mother's favorite and we had both memorized it, unknown to the other. Many years later we found ourselves quoting verses back and forth. Also my favorite. I memorized it for a speech contest when I was in the 6th grade...and can still quote about 6 of the 16 verses. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Then I made a hike, for I didn't like
to hear him sizzle so; krj Peggie Hall wrote: Jeff Morris wrote: My favorite work of poetry is "The Cremation of Sam McGee." In an odd coincidence, it was also my mother's favorite and we had both memorized it, unknown to the other. Many years later we found ourselves quoting verses back and forth. Also my favorite. I memorized it for a speech contest when I was in the 6th grade...and can still quote about 6 of the 16 verses. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Kelton Joyner wrote:
Then I made a hike, for I didn't like to hear him sizzle so; I do not know how long in the snow I wrestled with grisly fear... But the stars came out and they danced about ere again I ventured near. I was sick with dread, but I bravely said, "I’ll just take a peep inside.... I guess he’s cooked, and it’s time I looked”--then the door I opened wide. And there sat Sam, looking cool and calm, in the heart of the furnace roar... And he wore a smile you could see a mile, and he said: “Please close that door. It’s fine in here, but I greatly fear you’ll let in the cold and storm— Since I left Plumtree, down in Tennessee, it’s the first time I’ve been warm!" There are strange things done in the midnight sun... :) And then there's: A bunch of the boys were whooping it up in the Malamute Saloon.... Not all of Service's poetry was macho tales of the Yukon. He wrote some very tender ones...the one that sticks in my mind is called "My Madonna." I can't remember a complete line of it, only that it's in sharp contrast to what we've quoted above. Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html |
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Vito wrote something like:
"If the marina want to make a profit on electricity he can," Not in Virginia he can't. Only licensed (read regulated) utilities can. All others including marinas can only charge for their cost of the electricity and a reasonable (defined by the state) cost to distribute same. Which prompted, before the thread was lead into this stupid discussion of co-op's, my original question. Does anyone know if in Virginia this also applies to water (a utility) and garbage collection(a gov't service, kind of a utility)? And while we're on it, do any other states has similar restrictions? Ron |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message ... x-no-archive:yes "h1r3z" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Wow, I have to pay 25GBP per ft where I am :-s Per day? For one day? Where? grandma Rosalie My mistake, sorry, no per year I meant - permanant mooring |
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"h1r3z" wrote: "Rosalie B." wrote in message .. . x-no-archive:yes "h1r3z" wrote: "Mike" wrote in message ... Is $1.50 per foot the average price for transient berthing? Can you or should you make reservations ahead of time? Wow, I have to pay 25GBP per ft where I am :-s Per day? For one day? Where? grandma Rosalie My mistake, sorry, no per year I meant - permanant mooring Wow - that's a relief. We pay less than $2000 per year for a 44 foot boat - actually it is the charge per slip so it isn't really per foot. We'd pay the same whether we had a 35 foot boat or a 50 foot boat. (Or course if we had a 35 foot boat we'd fit in a smaller slip which would be less expensive. Our slip is really too big for us, but we like it because it has a full length dock on one side.) That's roughly $45/ ft per year which is a little less than £27 so that's not really out of line. If we had a bigger boat - say 50 feet- which would fill out the slip better it would be $40 or £24. grandma Rosalie S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD CSY 44 WO #156 http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html |
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