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"Roger Long" wrote
One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful to me, but what do I know? http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard to other vessels. "The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars to recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the Chilean navy. |
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NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing
Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of Barnes himself. Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a combination of the above. I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over- nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in one piece. Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to give the guy credit for trying. If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his boat for no real reason. Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things differently. -- Geoff |
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krj wrote in news:QMSnh.21190$641.20879
@bignews4.bellsouth.net: The newspaper report said that there was three feet of water inside from the waves breaking over the hataches that had been torn off. The water flooded the engine, batteries shorted the electrical and the steering was broken. I wouldn't want a "trawler" with three feet of water inside. krj Sure doesn't look 3 feet low in the water, does it? I can see the waterline clearly visible. You can make out the antifouling bottom. Maybe the loss of rigging makes it ride higher?? Rule number one....if it looks bad, quit playing Captain Nemo and LIGHT OFF THE DAMNED ENGINE. Now there's plenty of power to run the pumps....if you have pumps....and I'm sure such a sailor would have more than enough pumps for a major flooding situation. Maybe if we didn't have crap hatches with plastic covers that would be an improvement. Nothing holds the plastic covers on ours except the sealer. How stupid. I've never figured out why sailors buy transparent plastic hatches, then spend another fortune buying shades to keep the sun out....??? -- http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/verichip.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VeriChip http://www.verichipcorp.com/ Tracked like a dog, every license/product/tax. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name... |
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"Ernest Scribbler" wrote in message ... "Roger Long" wrote One of those fishing boats would do well to tow it in. I'm curious why something like that wasn't done. Sinking it seems wasteful to me, but what do I know? http://www.latimes.com/la-me-sailorw...,5429998.story He scuttled his boat, The Privateer, so that it would not present a hazard to other vessels. "The boat is about 3,000 feet underwater," Barnes said. "I already put a quarter-million dollars into it and it would have taken a million dollars to recover it" - an estimate confirmed by search and rescue officials in the Chilean navy. I would like to think that I'm such a fantastic sailor that I could have brought The Privateer safely into port after suffering the conditions that rendered her dismasted and without power. I say I like to *think* so. But the truth is that none of us know the conditions Barnes endured, or for how long, or how any of us really would have handled ourselves, and our vessel, in that situation. And I'm damned glad that I wasn't there. Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin |
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You still haven't convinced me.
I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands. Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle.. hahahahahahahhaah ============== "Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . NE Sailboat: For some reason or another you seem intent on bashing Barnes with a lot of venom. You've posted 1/3 of the responses to this thread and seem to be drawn to following this post. That's easy to do when you're sitting behind a computer somewhere in the NE. You weren't on his boat and you don't know the conditions of his systems or of Barnes himself. Many people set out on voyages not fully prepared for them. You over estimate your abilities or the condition of your boat and you under estimate the severity of the conditions that you can run in to. Many times luck is on your side and you escape unscathed. Sometimes luck runs against you and all hell breaks loose. I suspect that it was a combination of the above. I think about the 1st time that I sailed from Newport, RI to the BVIs and I can't believe how nieve I was. Back then I had at most sailed from RI to Florida and back and had done at most a handful of over- nighters. Now I'm amazed at how little I knew, but I came through in one piece. Since then I've put on 30,000+ miles and still would doubt my abilities to handle the conditions in the off the coast of Chile. I have no desire to go there, call it either having the brains to know my limits or not having the balls to undertake such an adventure. But you have to give the guy credit for trying. If you read the credits at the bottom of his web page it appears that he's spent the last 4 years planning and preparing for this voyage. One can hardly consider this a lark on his part. Things just went bad for him. After all of this planning I doubt that he would just abandon his boat for no real reason. Most accidents aren't due to a single failure. They're due to cascading events and fatigue. None of us were there and we don't know the whole story. Right now we're relying on dribs and drabs of info from the news media, some of which seem to be wrong. It's not fair to criticize the guy until all of the facts come out. Even then, it's easy to be a Monday morning skipper and say how you would have done things differently. -- Geoff |
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Cap't Barnes
deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. |
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"NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09... Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-) Karin |
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With masts broken off, steering gone, flooding over a meter deep, hatches blown off, food soaked with salt water, engine flooded,
batteries covered with salt water, no radio, just how do you propose to get this boat to port by yourself? krj Fly a Kite? Might be a good item to have onboard. SkySails: http://www.skysails.info/index.php?id=16&L=1 http://best-breezes.squarespace.com/journal/ KiteShip: http://www.kiteship.com/ |
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Cliff ,, Muff ... any difference?
=== "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "NE Sailboat" wrote in message news:mM9oh.3605$1h.3501@trndny09... Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation. Karin ========= Give me a break. The guy's boat is at the bottom of the sea. I did give you a break. I replied as if you were a reasonable person. What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying. And you, of course, have never filed an insurance claim. And if you truly haven't, have no intention of ever doing so. Of course. == Another thought .. when boats are lost and the insurance ( don't know if Barnes had any ) pays ,, we all pay. The insurance companies pass on the loss when some guy with his trailer sailor is looking for insurance. A. Captain? B. Respect? I suppose he will take up mountain climbing next. ps.. to Barnes... don't forget to bring the cell phone. Might I suggest that you take up cliff diving? ;-) Karin |
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