On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:08:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:09:37 GMT, "finley martin"
wrote:

I am looking for some used charts fo next summer's sailing season: BBA
chart kits for region 7 (Florida east coast and keys); region 6 ( Norfolk to
Jacksonville, Fla.); region 4 ( Chesepeake and Delaware Bays); and region 3
(New york, Nantucket, Cape May, NJ).

If anyone wants to part with theirs ... or knows where I can purchase them
... I'd appreciate a reply. Are there retail marine stores which deal in
used charts?

You can get all of those charts in electronic form for free:

http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/Raster/download.htm


Thanks, nice link!
Wow. 4 hours later, MsS+T in one monitor, chart navigator on another,
and Google earth on a third. The whole thing. Are there any more
charts available? Only 1018? Where is the rest of the world?
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Wayne.B wrote in
:

Not really.

You download them to an inexpensive laptop or two, and display and/or
print them with free or inexpensive software.

As we used to say in New York, free is a very good price.




My point being someone needs write CHARTING software that interfaces these
free charts to PLOTTING, not just printing out.....

I've printed them and HAVE been successful to use them with the Yeoman
paper chart plotter board, however. Printing them big enough is a pain in
the ass, though. Cap'n Geoffrey has Maptech books for where we cruise
already preprogrammed for the Yeoman, so we use those. On the free charts,
you have to put 3 cardinal lat/long points into the Yeoman puck along a
right angle, then use those points to point the puck at and click to tell
the Yeoman computer This is A, This is B, This is C....then it's calibrated
to what you printed. You can store A,B and C and reuse them any time.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:46:28 -0500, Larry wrote:

I've printed them and HAVE been successful to use them with the Yeoman
paper chart plotter board, however.

What is the attraction of the Yeoman if you have a computer on board
and electronic charts?

I plot using the software, works fine.

Check out E-Bay for used charts. Also, check out Bellingham chart
printers if you're interested in saving money. They print charts in B/W
and in smaller sizes, for less than half what new paper charts cost.
http://www.tidesend.com/

Woodsy wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:08:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:09:37 GMT, "finley martin"
wrote:

I am looking for some used charts fo next summer's sailing season:
BBA chart kits for region 7 (Florida east coast and keys); region 6
( Norfolk to Jacksonville, Fla.); region 4 ( Chesepeake and
Delaware Bays); and region 3 (New york, Nantucket, Cape May, NJ).

If anyone wants to part with theirs ... or knows where I can
purchase them ... I'd appreciate a reply. Are there retail marine
stores which deal in used charts?

You can get all of those charts in electronic form for free:

http://nauticalcharts.noaa.gov/mcd/Raster/download.htm


Thanks, nice link!
Wow. 4 hours later, MsS+T in one monitor, chart navigator on another,
and Google earth on a third. The whole thing. Are there any more
charts available? Only 1018? Where is the rest of the world?

The rest of the world is still in the BD (before democracy) age. In the UK
we have vested interests which control the free access to what we taxpayers
have been paying for since George the Third. It's called Crown Copyright,
and if you are a US citizen, your War of Indepence freed you from this
drivel. You are very lucky, but NOAA can't overule foreign restrictive
practises such as this, more's the pity!



Dennis.

Wayne.B wrote in
:

What is the attraction of the Yeoman if you have a computer on board
and electronic charts?

I plot using the software, works fine.


Make believe there's a hard drive crash and you lose it all....say 250
miles offshore. We use the Yeoman to plot our paper course and it's just
easier to use a full-size chart page to click waypoints and create routes
for the chart plotters, and computer, especially over long distances
where you have to zoom in, waypoint, zoom out, move, zoom in, waypoint,
etc. The puck makes it almost too easy.

It creates a permanent record of the trip on the velum overlay plotted
every hour. Picking up the pieces after and electronic catastrophy is
just getting the plotting board stuff out of the chart table and
unpacking the hand-held GPS. The handheld's GPS cable to the Yeoman is
tywrapped to the chart table bottom behind the Yeoman boards for such an
occasion. Just plug it in. If the Yeoman doesn't survive, the plot is
still done. The computer is not.

We were about 130 miles SSE of Charleston when one of the "real sailors",
who doesn't appreciate my electronic toys because he is afraid they will
make him look stupid, made a nasty comment about them, once too often. I
reached down through the hatch and pushed off the main electronics master
switch, which controls all DC to all instruments in the boat. It all
went dark. Cap'n Geoffrey looked at me and smirked. "I'm gonna take a
nap.", I told him. "Lemme know when he's really lost.", I said as I
headed to my beloved V-berth for some quality time. Mr "real sailor" and
his compass, sextant (it was cloudy, useless) and dead recon took over.
I kept a secret eye on him from my little GPS in my bunk. We were headed
for the Outer Banks of NC by morning. Cap'n Geoffrey just let him go on
navigating the vast ocean for a day in the dark. It was a good lesson
and noone has razzed me about the toys, since. When the offshore tower
lights didn't show up the next night, I pulled the switch back on and
replotted a course for Charleston Ship Channel to the NW....(c;

You might try it. Simulated a main battery short or flooding and see how
you do.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2007 07:55:23 -0500, Larry wrote:

You might try it. Simulated a main battery short or flooding and see how
you do.

I didn't have to try it. A lightening strike on a wavetop 100 yards
away provided all the "simulation" we needed. I navigated the last
300 miles into Bermuda on a handheld GPS. That was in 1994 when
handhelds were still a novelty and cost mucho dinero.

No big deal. I had stored and logged all of the critical waypoints in
advance.

You still haven't convinced me that paper charts are better for route
plotting either. I'd be willing to challenge anyone to a little
exercise where we both plot something like a ten legged course over
multiple charts; log the lat/lon of all the waypoints; compute range
and course for each leg; and calculate total distance.

Wayne.B wrote in
:

I didn't have to try it. A lightening strike on a wavetop 100 yards
away provided all the "simulation" we needed.

Ouch! I bet that got the old adrenaline charged up for war!

Every time we get in a storm, I can't help but think how stupid I am
sitting here holding the grounded stainless wheel at the base of the 60
ft lightning rod just begging for a direct hit.

I still can't imagine we're so insignificant more lightning hits aren't
direct to the mast head....but it doesn't seem to happen much. I did
watch it split an unoccupied Catalina 27 in half in a thunderstorm at our
marina, one hot afternoon. The boat sank into the floating dock held up
by its lines, sinking the dock and almost the other boat tied to the same
finger pier. It was so fast there was no fire or smoke. It just blew
the bottom out of the hull and down she went.

Er, ah, we crawled down the dock really soon afterwards.....(c;

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