steve_hayes_maine wrote:
If you haven't read "Fastnet, Force 10" recently, you should. Some of
the boats from which people were rescued were found after the storm to
be floating well on their own.
Steve Hayes
Maine

I found the following quote regarding the Fastnet Disaster of 1979.
Make of it what you will...........

Fastnet Disaster of 1979
Interview with Bill Burrows, Chief Engineer Royal Navy Lifeboat
Institution. Retrieved three disabled sailboats in a 21 hour rescue
during the fatal 1979 Fastnet Storm.

"... Look, you get 300 Yachats in poor weather and you're going to
have some trouble, almost certainly. But the majority of the trouble
was hysteria created by the situation and by inexperienced crews. And
that it was. They were blaming rudders and such, but none of those
rudders would have snapped if they had put drogues out and storm jibs
and run before the weather. They were under bare poles, most of them,
and they were getting up on the seas. And the seas were about 45 feet.
Not what we around here call big.

They got up on these seas and they were running. When the boats were
starting to broach, what the helmsmen were doing was hauling on the
rudders to stop them from broaching. They were putting too much bloody
strain on the rudders, and they had to go.

Yes, I know they were racing sailors, not cruising men, but that's no
excuse. We went out that night and we passed a little old hooker sort
of thing with a family of kids aboard and they were going away to
Ireland with no trouble at all...."

On 15 Nov 2006 10:56:55 -0800, "Bob" wrote:


steve_hayes_maine wrote:
If you haven't read "Fastnet, Force 10" recently, you should. Some of
the boats from which people were rescued were found after the storm to
be floating well on their own.
Steve Hayes
Maine

I found the following quote regarding the Fastnet Disaster of 1979.
Make of it what you will...........


A few beers?

Fastnet Disaster of 1979
Interview with Bill Burrows, Chief Engineer Royal Navy Lifeboat
Institution.


http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you...Scilly/history

Retrieved three disabled sailboats in a 21 hour rescue
during the fatal 1979 Fastnet Storm.

"... Look, you get 300 Yachats in poor weather and you're going to
have some trouble, almost certainly. But the majority of the trouble
was hysteria created by the situation and by inexperienced crews. And
that it was. They were blaming rudders and such, but none of those
rudders would have snapped if they had put drogues out and storm jibs
and run before the weather. They were under bare poles, most of them,
and they were getting up on the seas. And the seas were about 45 feet.
Not what we around here call big.

They got up on these seas and they were running. When the boats were
starting to broach, what the helmsmen were doing was hauling on the
rudders to stop them from broaching. They were putting too much bloody
strain on the rudders, and they had to go.

Yes, I know they were racing sailors, not cruising men, but that's no
excuse. We went out that night and we passed a little old hooker sort
of thing with a family of kids aboard and they were going away to
Ireland with no trouble at all...."

The feedbacks collected from the Fastnet Disaster of 1979 have contributed
to design improvement on many sailboats.
Simple things like positive locks on cockpit lockers, ice boxes, port holes
and many other openings have been incorporated in the aftermath production
of sailboats. One thing to consider is the credibility of weather reports
and availability of electronic navigational aids at the time of the Fastnet
Disaster of 1979.
Today we would thing that the weather report are more dependable especially
with the advent of computerized aids.
Not quite so, the weather data is purchased in bulk and processed with
computerized assisted programs and then broadcasted.
The probability of the weather reports to always be 100 % right is by far
remote. The pride of the weather forecasting person has been removed and
replaced by the computers.
When I got cut in Felix I had been waiting three days listening to the
weather reports and recording the barometric pressure.
Then when the weather reports were favourable I left the safe heaven to
return home.
Half a day after I was in 40 foot wave with white foam all over and the
marine weather stations were still broadcasting fair weather.
While the FM radio stations were broadcasting the closing of all beaches
because of 40 foot waves.
Then I contacted the coast Guard to learned that Felix had made a complete
about turn and coming at me.
When I took my marine weather course they did not tell me that a storm or
hurricanes can make an about turn and come back.
When people are saying, from their armchair, that they would have handled
the situation better by doing this and that they should get involved on the
water more often and live the rush of adrenaline and will to survive.



"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
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On 15 Nov 2006 10:56:55 -0800, "Bob" wrote:


steve_hayes_maine wrote:
If you haven't read "Fastnet, Force 10" recently, you should. Some of
the boats from which people were rescued were found after the storm to
be floating well on their own.
Steve Hayes
Maine

I found the following quote regarding the Fastnet Disaster of 1979.
Make of it what you will...........


A few beers?

Fastnet Disaster of 1979
Interview with Bill Burrows, Chief Engineer Royal Navy Lifeboat
Institution.


http://www.rnli.org.uk/rnli_near_you...Scilly/history

Retrieved three disabled sailboats in a 21 hour rescue
during the fatal 1979 Fastnet Storm.

"... Look, you get 300 Yachats in poor weather and you're going to
have some trouble, almost certainly. But the majority of the trouble
was hysteria created by the situation and by inexperienced crews. And
that it was. They were blaming rudders and such, but none of those
rudders would have snapped if they had put drogues out and storm jibs
and run before the weather. They were under bare poles, most of them,
and they were getting up on the seas. And the seas were about 45 feet.
Not what we around here call big.

They got up on these seas and they were running. When the boats were
starting to broach, what the helmsmen were doing was hauling on the
rudders to stop them from broaching. They were putting too much bloody
strain on the rudders, and they had to go.

Yes, I know they were racing sailors, not cruising men, but that's no
excuse. We went out that night and we passed a little old hooker sort
of thing with a family of kids aboard and they were going away to
Ireland with no trouble at all...."

If that was sarcasm, it was in very bad taste. I accept Gogarty's apology, but
I would have responded differently to this nut Larry.

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:38:59 -0500, Gogarty said:

My apologies. That was aimed at Larry, a bit too subtle and snide. Won't
happen again.

Oh boy, the Nazi's are crawling out from under their rocks again.

Unfortunately, some in the group don't recognize sarcasm when they see it. I
think most of us got your drift.

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
If that was sarcasm, it was in very bad taste. I accept Gogarty's
apology, but
I would have responded differently to this nut Larry.

Dave wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:38:59 -0500, Gogarty said:

My apologies. That was aimed at Larry, a bit too subtle and snide. Won't
happen again.

Oh boy, the Nazi's are crawling out from under their rocks again.

Unfortunately, some in the group don't recognize sarcasm when they see
it. I
think most of us got your drift.

Well, I'm usually considered dense, and I got it. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Dave wrote:

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:20:53 -0600, sherwindu said:

If that was sarcasm, it was in very bad taste.

Let me modify what I said before. Some in the group don't even understand
what sarcasm is.

Suppose I make some sarcastic remarks about your mother. Does that excuse
me for showing poor taste? Sarcasm is a useful retort in some cases, but
here
it only emphasized certain stereotype images, which only added to the
distastefullness
of the whole exchange.

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


Dave wrote:

On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 00:20:53 -0600, sherwindu
said:

If that was sarcasm, it was in very bad taste.

Let me modify what I said before. Some in the group don't even understand
what sarcasm is.

Suppose I make some sarcastic remarks about your mother. Does that
excuse
me for showing poor taste? Sarcasm is a useful retort in some cases,
but
here
it only emphasized certain stereotype images, which only added to the
distastefullness
of the whole exchange.



In this case, isn't emphasizing certain stereotype images the very
definition of the satire?

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 07:38:59 -0500, Gogarty
said:

My apologies. That was aimed at Larry, a bit too subtle
and snide. Won't
happen again.

Oh boy, the Nazi's are crawling out from under their
rocks again.

Unfortunately, some in the group don't recognize sarcasm
when they see it. I
think most of us got your drift.

I did, and I'm thick.

SBV

Do a Google search on ''sense of humor'', or 'humour' if
you're a Brit.

SBV


"sherwindu" wrote in message
...

is.

Suppose I make some sarcastic remarks about your
mother. Does that excuse
me for showing poor taste? Sarcasm is a useful retort
in some cases, but
here
it only emphasized certain stereotype images, which
only added to the
distastefullness
of the whole exchange.