Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or such... since I sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a useable second hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/

I have had goodluck with Minney"s






NE Sailboat wrote:
Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or such... since I sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a useable second hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

I know of a loft that charges far less than many others and also sells
used sails.
Contact me at:

Bobsprit at aol dot com

....and give the model of your boat.



Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

wrote in message
ups.com...
http://www.minneysyachtsurplus.com/

I have had goodluck with Minney"s






NE Sailboat wrote:
Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or such... since I
sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a useable second
hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?


I would second Minney's, especially if you are close to Newport Beach. Used
sails are best bought in person, methinks.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
I know of a loft that charges far less than many others and also sells
used sails.
Contact me at:

Bobsprit at aol dot com

...and give the model of your boat.

Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick loft is.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt Rob ,,, why the big secret?

I won't tell anyone ,, you can put it here,,, don't worry,,, no one will
know.


===
"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

I know of a loft that charges far less than many others and also sells
used sails.
Contact me at:

Bobsprit at aol dot com

...and give the model of your boat.



Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

I have had good experience with Bacon
http://www.baconsails.com/

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:17 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or such... since I sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a useable second hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick loft is.


Tell you what....e-mail me the brand/size of the boat and I'll post the
quote for your sails right here. If you think it's BS after that
everyone will know. Okay?


Robert
Beneteau 35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick loft is.


Tell you what....e-mail me the brand/size of the boat and I'll post the
quote for your sails right here. If you think it's BS after that
everyone will know. Okay?


Robert
Beneteau 35s5
NY


Catalina Capri 18

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:48:24 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Capt Rob ,,, why the big secret?

I won't tell anyone ,, you can put it here,,, don't worry,,, no one will
know.

Pot, kettle, black... ?

Capt Rob fancies himself as an entrepreneur middleman - no middleman,
no profit. It's a New York thing.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Russ Barron wrote:

I have had good experience with Bacon
http://www.baconsails.com/

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:30:17 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or such... since I sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a useable second hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?

We've used Bacon too and have been happy with them..

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt Rob fancies himself as an entrepreneur middleman - no middleman,
no profit. It's a New York thing.


Beware of people who are critical of things they know nothing about.
Wayne's response is exactly why I won't post the name of the loft.
Now, for the fellow who said he had a Capri 18....

Capri 18 Tri-radial main with full or partial battens, two reefs and
leech lines. Using contender cloths:

Dacron = 480.00
Kevlar = 700.00

Now what does Airforce sails, an online seller want for just a
run-of-the-mill crosscut sail? Try 600 dollars! And if you go to UK or
North you'll pay even more and that's with their seasonal discounts.
I'm no middle man and I don't make a profit from these. I simply have a
friend who's been running a loft for quite a few years. E-mail me for
the name of the loft. Why does it matter if it's posted here or not?
It's your money.

Good luck,



Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

On 30 Oct 2006 20:04:37 -0800, "Capt. Rob" wrote:

Capt Rob fancies himself as an entrepreneur middleman - no middleman,
no profit. It's a New York thing.


Beware of people who are critical of things they know nothing about.
Wayne's response is exactly why I won't post the name of the loft.
Now, for the fellow who said he had a Capri 18....

Let me call your bluff on this one. Why not post the contact
information for "your friend the sailmaker" on rec.boats.marketplace
where commercial posts are acceptable?

You've certainly made enough posts there for your own merchandise.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Let me call your bluff on this one. Why not post the contact
information for "your friend the sailmaker" on rec.boats.marketplace
where commercial posts are acceptable?




Bluff??? I didn't even think of posting there because it's generally
very inactive for this sort of thing. Oh well....I posted the same info
AND the loft name there, Wayne. Rather than be negative, why not
contact me and see what I can do for you or just get the details? The
loft hooked me up and I told them I'd plug them, which has gone well.
But I'm doing it as legally as possible. Mention me and the "ad" and
get better pricing. What do I get out of it? Well, maybe some better
pricing on my new chute for next spring.

Cheers,

Robert
35s5 Heart of Gold
City Island, NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Capt Rob fancies himself as an entrepreneur middleman - no middleman,
no profit. It's a New York thing.


Beware of people who are critical of things they know nothing about.
Wayne's response is exactly why I won't post the name of the loft.
Now, for the fellow who said he had a Capri 18....

Capri 18 Tri-radial main with full or partial battens, two reefs and
leech lines. Using contender cloths:

Dacron = 480.00
Kevlar = 700.00

Now what does Airforce sails, an online seller want for just a
run-of-the-mill crosscut sail? Try 600 dollars! And if you go to UK or
North you'll pay even more and that's with their seasonal discounts.
I'm no middle man and I don't make a profit from these. I simply have a
friend who's been running a loft for quite a few years. E-mail me for
the name of the loft. Why does it matter if it's posted here or not?
It's your money.

Good luck,



Robert
35s5
NY


Well, I gotta say that's the best price I've seen anywhere.

My sails are the origonal equipment (20 years old!) and while still
servicible, well....

Thanks.

Richard

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 17:24:24 -0700, Paul Cassel
said:

Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick loft is.

Bobby gets a kickback ( in the form of free sails) from this outfit on the
customers he sends them. If he posted the name he wouldn't get proper
"credit" for any resulting sales.

Even if this is true, why should it matter? If the loft beats other's prices
and matches their work, is it any skin off anyone's nose if Bobby gets
freebies for hooking folks up? Much ado about nothing, to my mind.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Bobby gets a kickback ( in the form of free sails) from this outfit on the
customers he sends them. If he posted the name he wouldn't get proper
"credit" for any resulting sales.



Gee, Dave...I just posted the name of the loft as wayne asked in the
boats for sale area. 4 people from this thread asked for info and I put
them in touch with the loft directly. It's amazing how cynical folks
are, but even if I worked in a kickback of some sort (If enough folks
ask me for quotes it's an idea!) the prices would still be unbeatable.
Ask me for a quote, Dave, and see for yourself. Give me the sail
specifics for your boat. You don't have to buy the sail, just tell us
if you think it's a good price or not (Assuming the sail is good
quality).


Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Even if this is true, why should it matter? If the loft beats other's
prices
and matches their work, is it any skin off anyone's nose if Bobby gets
freebies for hooking folks up? Much ado about nothing, to my mind.



Thanks. But really, I get no kickbacks. I hope to get a low low price
on a chute if I throw some business his way though.
The fact is that I really was well treated by this loft on two used and
one new sail. Several of my friends are now ordering from them.


Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Okay....four folks asked for quotes. Two had blocked addresses. One I
think got through after I signed in. Dan, yours doesn't work at all
when I reply. Any ideas?


RB
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Hey, I'm just answering the guy's question. I would, however, recommend a little independent due
diligence.



You're trolling and not earning any points. I offered to quote you for
sails and honestly report on the pricing.
I see you have no answer for that.
You can also contact the loft directly and see for yourself.
I guess you'll have no answer to that either.
This is not ASA so I won't answer you further unless you ask for a
quote or respond fairly.


Robert
35s5
NY

SLANDER
 

Dave, I hope you can produce proof of what you write:

1) That the message you posted actually exists.
2) That more than one message exists.
3) Somerset's Kevlar is ONLY available in triradial so it seems
unlikely that your message is real.

Your ISP has been alerted about this, thought not by me. You're
attempting to hurt people who having nothing to do with ASA, do you
realize this?



Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 08:56:31 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
said:

Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick loft is.

Bobby gets a kickback ( in the form of free sails) from this outfit on
the
customers he sends them. If he posted the name he wouldn't get proper
"credit" for any resulting sales.

Even if this is true, why should it matter? If the loft beats other's
prices
and matches their work, is it any skin off anyone's nose if Bobby gets
freebies for hooking folks up? Much ado about nothing, to my mind.

Hey, I'm just answering the guy's question. You wanna take advice from a
guy
who gets a kickback for steering you to this vendor, by all means do. No
skin off my teeth. I would, however, recommend a little independent due
diligence.

No thanks. I'm quite happy with North Sails. I'm just sayin'.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Capt. Rob wrote:
Okay....four folks asked for quotes. Two had blocked addresses. One I
think got through after I signed in. Dan, yours doesn't work at all
when I reply. Any ideas?



Dan, here's a quote....somewhat vague, but you can work that out with
the loft directly.

125% genoa Cruise Radial sail = 480.00

You can also get a full tri-radial or a kevlar, which is ONLY available
in Triradial.

Oh, and here's a real comment from a customer:

Comment: "After considering all of the sailmakers above and several
not listed, I purchased my new mainsail from Martin at Somerset Sails
in Barker, NY. The price was very competitive and the quality the best
I have seen." Max Lent (New 8/06)

And the link for it:
http://www.freedom21.info/sails.htm

FYI, if you feel that you must have a major loft I also can get a
discount from Doyle, but it will still be more expensive. They also
make great sails of course.


Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 31 Oct 2006 07:52:01 -0800, "Capt. Rob" said:

You're trolling and not earning any points. I offered to quote you for
sails and honestly report on the pricing.
I see you have no answer for that.
You can also contact the loft directly and see for yourself.
I guess you'll have no answer to that either.

You expect an instantaneous answer, Bobby? This isn't a conference call.
It's Usenet. Generally you oughta wait at least a couple of hours or a day
before complaining about not getting an answer.

Actually, by the time you posted this (which must have be what, 5 minutes
after my previous post) I had provided some additional information about
your paymaster on one of the other groups you're spamming on the topic.
You'll see the same information in another post here.

I really have no problem with your recommending this outfit despite what
its
customers say, but please be up front about your financial interest in the
deal, rather than posing as simply disinterested and magnanimous.

You're asking a lot of him...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

SLANDER
 

Truth is an absolute defense, Bobby. You think you've got a lawsuit,
put
your money where your mouth is.

I have no interest in a lawsuit, but I sent the info to both lofts.


BTW, as to my ISP, you don't even know who it is, so cut out the BS.
That's
one of the advantages of using a premium news service rather than AOL
and
Google.


Google has it's own abuse center and you shouldn't underestimate them.
You HAVE been reported. I don't know anything else about it.



R.

SLANDER
 

Dave wrote:
On 31 Oct 2006 09:35:17 -0800, "Capt. Rob" said:

Google has it's own abuse center and you shouldn't underestimate them.
You HAVE been reported. I don't know anything else about it.

Nice try, Boobsie, but I've got no connection to Google.



You don't get it. I have nothing to do with reporting you, finding you
or anything else. If you're some kind of ghost who chases people around
and writes phoney reviews, fine.
Neither loft makes a Kevlar main that is not triradial, Dave. That was
the first silly thing you wrote. Why not google cross cut kevlar. You
won't get much. Or better yet, try to order a cross cut kevlar!
Like I said, knock yourself out. I have a feeling people can see what
you're trying to do. Actually, judging by the amount of people who
asked for quotes since last night maybe you're helping. Just don't go
asking for any kickbacks. Go find your own.
Gotto go...my new lazy jack set just came via UPS!



Robert
35s5
NY

SLANDER
 

Dave wrote:
On 31 Oct 2006 10:15:39 -0800, "Capt. Rob" said:

Gotto go...my new lazy jack set just came via UPS!

Hey, whom are they a kickback from?

Or did you actually buy them.


The loft threw them in with those used sails I bought. They retail for
250.00.
Gotta run....there may be a new boat in my future.



R.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:36:22 -0600, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:

No thanks. I'm quite happy with North Sails. I'm just sayin'.

You bet. They are the best for my money.

SLANDER
 

I wonder when these little boys are going to grow up?
"Dave" wrote in message
...
On 31 Oct 2006 09:35:17 -0800, "Capt. Rob" said:

Google has it's own abuse center

Ooh! When should I begin quaking in my boots?

SLANDER
 

On 31 Oct 2006 11:56:11 -0600, Dave anonymous wrote:

On 31 Oct 2006 09:35:17 -0800, "Capt. Rob" said:

Google has...


Nice try,...

Give it a rest, folks. You should know this:
1) No good deed goes unpunished.
2) There is no kindness too great to avoid being sneering at.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

sounds like a loft to avoid.

SBV



"Dave" wrote in message
...


The sails Somerset made for me were pretty good. We were
killer fast with the mylar head sail he made. The problem
in not the sails, it is dealing with Martin. Everyone who
deals with him seems to have one hassle or another. He
apparently does not take any notes when taking calls, and
does not remember the details of his conversations well.
My advice if you are so allured by the prices would be to
put all your corrospondance in writing, and avoid any
situation where he owes you something.

[Name omitted] wrote:
My 2 cents - My experience wasn't so good with
Somerset. Great price in
January on a new main and genoa, was supposed to be
pentex for the price of
dacron, but when it came to May delivery there were lots
of excuses about
material problems, and that he had accidentally made the
main with 2 reefs
instead of 3. After remaking, he did them in kevlar, a
more expensive
material for the same price. Made me feel a bit better,
but when they
arrived - the main wasn't a triradial like ordered, and
the third reef was
not done right - he basically ignored the sail specs for
the boat which
especially highlighted. Then had trouble with slides
breaking, resulting in
luff damage. Also, the UV strip on the genoa made the
leach curl - my fault
according to sommerset. He did fix the reef and luff -
but what a hassle,
and Martin is so defensive! After all that the sails'
racing performance
improvement was not noticeable, quite different than the
last set of dacron
sails I got a few years ago. An unhappy customer, in
spite of the great
price. On the other hand, someone else at our club seems
to be happy with
his sails.

At this point, I'm pretty happy with the prices and
service I'm getting from
my local loft. His prices have been good, and he does what
he says he'll do.
If I were to deal with Sommerset, I think I'd be inclined
to follow the
above advice--deal directly with him and put it in
writing, rather than
playing telephone.

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Bacon's in Annapolis.
http://www.baconsails.com/

Whatever you do, don't buy those cheap new/used sails from a
guy named ''Capt Rob''. I've heard nothing but bad things
about dealings with him.

SBV


"NE Sailboat" wrote in message
news:tMp1h.2200$B44.2152@trndny07...
Looking for cruising spinnaker, gennaker, drifter, or
such... since I sail
very short handed :::: check my post under single handed
sailing..

Anyhow,,, where is a good starting off place to find a
useable second hand
cruising spinnaker?

Or any used sails?

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Caveat Emptor ! Caveat Emptor ! Caveat Emptor !

Caveat Emptor !


Caveat Emptor !


Caveat Emptor !






"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
.net...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Capt Rob fancies himself as an entrepreneur middleman -
no middleman,
no profit. It's a New York thing.


Beware of people who are critical of things they know
nothing about.
Wayne's response is exactly why I won't post the name of
the loft.
Now, for the fellow who said he had a Capri 18....

Capri 18 Tri-radial main with full or partial battens,
two reefs and
leech lines. Using contender cloths:

Dacron = 480.00
Kevlar = 700.00

Now what does Airforce sails, an online seller want for
just a
run-of-the-mill crosscut sail? Try 600 dollars! And if
you go to UK or
North you'll pay even more and that's with their
seasonal discounts.
I'm no middle man and I don't make a profit from these.
I simply have a
friend who's been running a loft for quite a few years.
E-mail me for
the name of the loft. Why does it matter if it's posted
here or not?
It's your money.

Good luck,



Robert
35s5
NY


Well, I gotta say that's the best price I've seen
anywhere.

My sails are the origonal equipment (20 years old!) and
while still
servicible, well....

Thanks.

Richard

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Caveat Emptor !



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

Let me call your bluff on this one. Why not post the
contact
information for "your friend the sailmaker" on
rec.boats.marketplace
where commercial posts are acceptable?




Bluff??? I didn't even think of posting there because it's
generally
very inactive for this sort of thing. Oh well....I posted
the same info
AND the loft name there, Wayne. Rather than be negative,
why not
contact me and see what I can do for you or just get the
details? The
loft hooked me up and I told them I'd plug them, which has
gone well.
But I'm doing it as legally as possible. Mention me and
the "ad" and
get better pricing. What do I get out of it? Well, maybe
some better
pricing on my new chute for next spring.

Cheers,

Robert
35s5 Heart of Gold
City Island, NY

SLANDER
 

You should also know this;

Capt ( he's not a real Capt BTW) Rob is the most
deplorable, despicable , foul mouthed pond scum to ever post
on usenet.

SBV



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...

Give it a rest, folks. You should know this:
1) No good deed goes unpunished.
2) There is no kindness too great to avoid being sneering
at.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Isn't this post considered SPAM?

Isnt selling things on this NG a no-no?

SBV


"Capt. ****head Rob" wrote in message
ups.com...

Capt. Rob wrote:
Okay....four folks asked for quotes. Two had blocked
addresses. One I
think got through after I signed in. Dan, yours doesn't
work at all
when I reply. Any ideas?



Dan, here's a quote....somewhat vague, but you can work
that out with
the loft directly.

125% genoa Cruise Radial sail = 480.00

You can also get a full tri-radial or a kevlar, which is
ONLY available
in Triradial.

Oh, and here's a real comment from a customer:

Comment: "After considering all of the sailmakers above
and several
not listed, I purchased my new mainsail from Martin at
Somerset Sails
in Barker, NY. The price was very competitive and the
quality the best
I have seen." Max Lent (New 8/06)

And the link for it:
http://www.freedom21.info/sails.htm

FYI, if you feel that you must have a major loft I also
can get a
discount from Doyle, but it will still be more expensive.
They also
make great sails of course.


Robert
35s5
NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Caveat Lector! Well, both.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scotty" wrote in message
. ..
Caveat Emptor !



"Capt. Rob" wrote in message
ps.com...

Let me call your bluff on this one. Why not post the
contact
information for "your friend the sailmaker" on
rec.boats.marketplace
where commercial posts are acceptable?




Bluff??? I didn't even think of posting there because it's
generally
very inactive for this sort of thing. Oh well....I posted
the same info
AND the loft name there, Wayne. Rather than be negative,
why not
contact me and see what I can do for you or just get the
details? The
loft hooked me up and I told them I'd plug them, which has
gone well.
But I'm doing it as legally as possible. Mention me and
the "ad" and
get better pricing. What do I get out of it? Well, maybe
some better
pricing on my new chute for next spring.

Cheers,

Robert
35s5 Heart of Gold
City Island, NY

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
...
Caveat Lector! Well, both.


Hannibal's brother?

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

Why go through this troublemaker when you can contact the
loft direct at 1-800-323-9464. Or you can get a quote via
e-mail to


SV


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
et...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick
loft is.


Tell you what....e-mail me the brand/size of the boat
and I'll post the
quote for your sails right here. If you think it's BS
after that
everyone will know. Okay?


Robert
Beneteau 35s5
NY


Catalina Capri 18

Used Sails,, Best Place to Buy.. question
 

well to me you both are trouble makers and are making this ng undesireable
for the rest of us grow up and go act like children eleswhere
"Scotty" wrote in message
...
Why go through this troublemaker when you can contact the
loft direct at 1-800-323-9464. Or you can get a quote via
e-mail to


SV


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
et...
Capt. Rob wrote:
Seems like b.s. to me. Why not just say what this majick
loft is.


Tell you what....e-mail me the brand/size of the boat
and I'll post the
quote for your sails right here. If you think it's BS
after that
everyone will know. Okay?


Robert
Beneteau 35s5
NY


Catalina Capri 18