Who would like to meet at the boat show Nov 2,3,4,5?
- Allen

bushman wrote:
Who would like to meet at the boat show Nov 2,3,4,5?
- Allen

Send me a flight voucher. Better still 2. I live in Glasgow. Love St Pete's!

bushman wrote:
Who would like to meet at the boat show Nov 2,3,4,5?
- Allen

Lydia and I will be there, courtesy of Clamptite. We've found several
electronics which have given up the ghost so will need replacement,
along with more Poli-Glow and various other goodies we have to get at
better pricng there.

We're on the waater but not motored yet so tied to the slip at Salt
Creek Marina, currently.

L8R

Skip and Lydia

Skip Gundlach wrote:
bushman wrote:
Who would like to meet at the boat show Nov 2,3,4,5?
- Allen

Lydia and I will be there, courtesy of Clamptite. We've found several
electronics which have given up the ghost so will need replacement,
along with more Poli-Glow and various other goodies we have to get at
better pricIng there.

....for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

....I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.

--
I am Epoxy Man

"brownbag" wrote:


Skip Gundlach wrote:
bushman wrote:
Who would like to meet at the boat show Nov 2,3,4,5?
- Allen

Lydia and I will be there, courtesy of Clamptite. We've found several
electronics which have given up the ghost so will need replacement,
along with more Poli-Glow and various other goodies we have to get at
better pricIng there.

...for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

...I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.

We are using Penetrol.

Hi, Brownbag, and group,

brownbag wrote:


...for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

...I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.

--
I am Epoxy Man

There were several threads in both this and many of the Sailnet lists,
just as we were readying to do a very laborious buffout (it would have
required not less than two levels of buffing compound and then a wax
job, on several hundred square feet, not to mention the non-nonskid
areas of the deck and house, which would likely have had to been done
by hand) which prompted us to go to PoliGlow. The Practical Sailor
review clinched the data side, and of the many chiming in, I found no
detractors and many shock-and-awe positive responses from users. Our
own experience mirrors theirs.

While it was in the stands, it looked great. Now that it's in the
water, it looks stunning. However, we used a great deal more of it -
both the cleaner and the application - than expected. We've got a big
boat...

So, we'll buy more, so we have it to reapply (well, overcoat and then a
few years later, reapply) later. As it has a shelf life of 4 years in
the tropics, that means having enough to recoat prolly 3 or 4 times
(tropical use needing reapplication on a 6-8 month cycle) and then
clean off and redo. By that time we'll have figured out how we'll get
more to wherever we are without breaking the bank :{))

As to Penetrol, I presume Rosalie's experience is positive or she'd not
mention it. Several years ago, when I was considering using it to
renewing a glitter stripe on a white runabout, and also for a black ski
boat, I raised the question in this and several other usenet groups,
not having a sailnet link at the time. The response was uniformly "it
looked great for a month or so and then looked like real crap - it took
a lot of doing to get off and we'll not use it again" - but, as above.
Perhaps it was (also uniformly) applicator error.

As to floor wax, that thought surfaced in one or more of the threads.
It's quite possibly the same stuff - but apparently, with some serious
UV protection. Nonetheless, I'm all for buying stuff in dollar
increments, rather than decidollar increments. Please come back after
you've had some extensive time of UV exposure to let us know how it
did. And, don't overlook their cleaning process - necessary to let the
stuff get a grip, the essence of how it works (penetrol, too - the
penet being its filling all the little spaces). I'm assuming the
stripper sold by the acrylic floor folks would also clean adequately,
but I don't know. I do know for sure that trying to wash your hands
and the applicators after you've done some is fruitless without the
right solvent, of which soap and water isn't :{))

And, to be fair, you should do an adjacent panel in PG for comparison.
The PS report showed many of the competitors to the type as having a
pretty fair application - but none did nearly as well on
re/over-application, typical of what you'd do rather than scrub and
start over. Of course, ours is new, so we don't have extensive time.
However, all reports, including the guy next to us who was doing his
sportboat's renewal coat's anecdotal comments (he likes it so much he's
a dealer), suggest that the stuff does as advertised.

Today I'm doing electrical and electronics extractions - unexpected
failures of lots of stuff, of which two of the three types can be
repaired reasonably, and the most expensive, the fish finder, toast and
not even any stale bread to replace it, cuz the transducer is not
compatible with anything other than one of their depth gauges. Before
I start from scratch, I'm going to do a bit of looking to see if I can
find a NOS display - but they're 15 or more years old...

L8R

Skip and Lydia, floating

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery!
Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you
are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought,
and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be
greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

"Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Hi, Brownbag, and group,

brownbag wrote:


...for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

...I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.

--
I am Epoxy Man

There were several threads in both this and many of the Sailnet lists,
just as we were readying to do a very laborious buffout (it would have
required not less than two levels of buffing compound and then a wax
job, on several hundred square feet, not to mention the non-nonskid
areas of the deck and house, which would likely have had to been done
by hand) which prompted us to go to PoliGlow. The Practical Sailor
review clinched the data side, and of the many chiming in, I found no
detractors and many shock-and-awe positive responses from users. Our
own experience mirrors theirs.

While it was in the stands, it looked great. Now that it's in the
water, it looks stunning. However, we used a great deal more of it -
both the cleaner and the application - than expected. We've got a big
boat...

So, we'll buy more, so we have it to reapply (well, overcoat and then a
few years later, reapply) later. As it has a shelf life of 4 years in
the tropics, that means having enough to recoat prolly 3 or 4 times
(tropical use needing reapplication on a 6-8 month cycle) and then
clean off and redo. By that time we'll have figured out how we'll get
more to wherever we are without breaking the bank :{))

As to Penetrol, I presume Rosalie's experience is positive or she'd not
mention it. Several years ago, when I was considering using it to
renewing a glitter stripe on a white runabout, and also for a black ski
boat, I raised the question in this and several other usenet groups,
not having a sailnet link at the time. The response was uniformly "it
looked great for a month or so and then looked like real crap - it took
a lot of doing to get off and we'll not use it again" - but, as above.
Perhaps it was (also uniformly) applicator error.

I think those bad experiences were for Nu-Glass which we have also
used, and I can see that there are such problems with Nu-Glass. But
we haven't had that experience with Penetrol.

As to floor wax, that thought surfaced in one or more of the threads.
It's quite possibly the same stuff - but apparently, with some serious
UV protection. Nonetheless, I'm all for buying stuff in dollar
increments, rather than decidollar increments. Please come back after
you've had some extensive time of UV exposure to let us know how it
did. And, don't overlook their cleaning process - necessary to let the
stuff get a grip, the essence of how it works (penetrol, too - the
penet being its filling all the little spaces). I'm assuming the
stripper sold by the acrylic floor folks would also clean adequately,
but I don't know. I do know for sure that trying to wash your hands
and the applicators after you've done some is fruitless without the
right solvent, of which soap and water isn't :{))

And, to be fair, you should do an adjacent panel in PG for comparison.
The PS report showed many of the competitors to the type as having a
pretty fair application - but none did nearly as well on
re/over-application, typical of what you'd do rather than scrub and
start over. Of course, ours is new, so we don't have extensive time.
However, all reports, including the guy next to us who was doing his
sportboat's renewal coat's anecdotal comments (he likes it so much he's
a dealer), suggest that the stuff does as advertised.

Today I'm doing electrical and electronics extractions - unexpected
failures of lots of stuff, of which two of the three types can be
repaired reasonably, and the most expensive, the fish finder, toast and
not even any stale bread to replace it, cuz the transducer is not
compatible with anything other than one of their depth gauges. Before
I start from scratch, I'm going to do a bit of looking to see if I can
find a NOS display - but they're 15 or more years old...

L8R

Skip and Lydia, floating

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery!
Follow us at http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog and/or
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog

"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you
are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought,
and one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be
greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

Skip Gundlach wrote:
Hi, Brownbag, and group,

brownbag wrote:


...for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

...I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.
snip
Please come back after
you've had some extensive time of UV exposure to let us know how it
did. And, don't overlook their cleaning process - necessary to let the
stuff get a grip, the essence of how it works snip

Le'me tell ya' what I did.

The fella who docks his bigass grouper boat next to my ol' 39' foot
ketch was raving about Poli-Glow. I looked at it and said it reminded
me of Polycrylic. "No, no, no...this is special," he said.

I put a test patch on my chalky 33 year old gel coat, and next to it I
put a patch of Polycrylic straight out of the can. tick tock

....8 months later in the Florida sun, I couldn't tell the
difference....

So, I drag out the pressure washer and blast off the chalky layer and
old paste wax failure from the year before, and wipe on 2 quarts. My
boat is no longer chalky white, but a the pleasant cream white it use
to be. It has a shine. It is easier to clean. It has a hard durable
finish. All in all I'm quite pleased.

On the down side with out the porous old gel coat, a wet deck is a bit
slippery in *bare* feet...but not with shoes. I'm currently looking
for an acrylic 'sand' to paint on as 'no-skid' with the next
application...in case it really bothers me.


And, to be fair, you should do an adjacent panel in PG for comparison.

I'm always fair...
--
I am Epoxy Man

Charlie Morgan wrote:
On 27 Oct 2006 20:06:21 -0700, "brownbag" wrote:



...for better pricing on Poli-Glow I tried Min-Wax Polycrylic. It
looks like a duck; it smells like a duck; it spreads, dries, shines and
lasts (so far) like a duck....but maybe a bit more viscous.

...I'm even trying it on a bit of fiberglass headliner to see if it
cuts down on mildew.

Minwax Polycrylic is an INTERIOR wood finish. More viscous is BAD in this
application, and polycrylic also lacks any UV inhibitors, so your hull continues
to oxidize under the finish. Mop & Glo floor polish is also "similar", but not
the same in important ways. You need to look at that duck a lot more critically.
:^)


I know what you are saying Charlie, but I'm from misery, and ya' gotta
show me.

I started this little excursion with Polycrylic about a year ago. We
chased around. the UV thingy and, as I recall, most of the discussion
was on UV and environmental stability. Does the stuff rot in the sun.
The test spots after 8 months indicated that they appeared as similar
as being indistinguishable.

The neighbor with grouper boat has stopped his semiannual application
of Poli-Glow and splotchy dullness is enveloping his boat.

It might not be working....but I don't see any difference. ...and it's
hard to tell an empiricist to not believe what s/he sees.

I see I might have a solution for saving the last shred of gel coat.
It costs 30 bucks for the 1st year and then less than 2 bucks a month
until I see that it is no longer working.

I see that the deck cleans easier and dirties slower. Stains from
finally remembering where I put the vise grip don't go as deep.

I see the water in the scrub bucket doesn't turn white.

....and when I'm done with a quick hose down there's a little shine that
smiles back.

We're also conducting tests using Polycrylic over the Cetol woodwork.
It increases the luster and durability of the Cetol.

I was concerned there might be a different rate of expansion which
would break the mechanical bond. But, we have some parts of the boat
that we've covered 2+ years ago that exhibit no separation and still
have a sheen....granted these are interior.

But I have started putting it on all plastic sheaves, fittings and
thingamjigs to keep them from sublimating in the sun. But I don't have
any pieces that have been exposed long enough to know if it has reduced
embrittlement.

Polycrylic might just be an interior wood finish, but I'm finding more
and more off lable uses....I'm considering it's possible use as a hair
moose, and maybe a dentifrice.

....not really, but hell, I even used it to laminate the instruction for
the fuel filter setup to the engine room bulkhead....better than tape,
waterproof...
--
I am Epoxy Man

Experimenting for the sake of humanity.