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Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers,
who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. ================================================== ========================================== I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================== ========================================= And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day .......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Thomas Wentworth wrote:
ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. Why not visit the UK and pay $8.50 a gallon. I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================== ========================== =============== And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day ......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
most folks are in too much of a hurry in todays "get it now"
environment...Sailing and relaxing is "way over" most folks thinking......Wait till gas goes over $10us per gallon...That might folks to change their "rut".....imho of course... ‹(·¿·)› Dennis Pogson wrote: Thomas Wentworth wrote: ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. Why not visit the UK and pay $8.50 a gallon. I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================== ========================== =============== And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day ......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
I don't mind a sailboat but I have an issue giving up what I like to do:
-Go to Bimini for a weekend (With the gulfstream it's a 12 hour sail from FLL. vs 2 hr) not exactly a weekend timing. -Go out at any tide...Many of the inlets are not available to sailboats due to the fact that the current rips at 5kts + -Go diving with several friends... (Not exactly easy to do when the transom is 4 ft above the water..can't find a good place to put 10 tanks either. -Go sport fishing.... 2 lines doesn't cut it and backing down on a fish is pain. -drag along a whaler so my kids can ski, wakeboard, etc. -Run my generator at anchor (Sailboters just don't do that... they prefer to sweat) remember... some of us actually use our boats for activities...not just as a means of transport...$10 a gallon...boating will be the least of our worries....but I'll still be out there... If you have the time and the boat fits your activity level then I think sailboats are a great thing!!!! ~^ beancounter ~^ wrote: most folks are in too much of a hurry in todays "get it now" environment...Sailing and relaxing is "way over" most folks thinking......Wait till gas goes over $10us per gallon...That might folks to change their "rut".....imho of course... ‹(·¿·)› Dennis Pogson wrote: Thomas Wentworth wrote: ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. Why not visit the UK and pay $8.50 a gallon. I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================ ============================ =============== And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day ......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Ed wrote:
I don't mind a sailboat but I have an issue giving up what I like to do: -Go to Bimini for a weekend (With the gulfstream it's a 12 hour sail from FLL. vs 2 hr) not exactly a weekend timing. -Go out at any tide...Many of the inlets are not available to sailboats due to the fact that the current rips at 5kts + -Go diving with several friends... (Not exactly easy to do when the transom is 4 ft above the water..can't find a good place to put 10 tanks either. -Go sport fishing.... 2 lines doesn't cut it and backing down on a fish is pain. -drag along a whaler so my kids can ski, wakeboard, etc. -Run my generator at anchor (Sailboters just don't do that... they prefer to sweat) remember... some of us actually use our boats for activities...not just as a means of transport...$10 a gallon...boating will be the least of our worries....but I'll still be out there... If you have the time and the boat fits your activity level then I think sailboats are a great thing!!!! Quite right too! Nil desperandum carbrundum (never let the *******s grind you down!) |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
"Thomas Wentworth" wrote in news:q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29
@trndny01: I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! I watched a guy pass his credit card to the diesel dock attendant to pay for the 8,400 gallons of #2 diesel fuel his beast drank. I'm too dizzy to figure out the cost, just thinking about it.... Hell, in the ketch, 10 gallons will get us to Aruba!....(c; -- Sea Ray Boats gave my email to Channel Blade to spam me. phone 865-522-4181 Sea Ray Boats, Inc. 2600 Sea Ray Blvd. Knoxville, TN 37914 One ****ty Sea Ray boat was enough.... |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Thomas Wentworth wrote:
ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. I'd say boating is in for a hit. Many folks don't have the time / patience to sail. Like another poster here said, I couldn't make it from Palm to the islands for a weekend on my 42 foot cutter, but the powerboats could. I think that with sailing too tedious for many and power boating too expensive, the entire industry will take a dive. My friend is shopping for a power boat now. The prices are WAY WAY down. I suppose it's the fuel. -paul |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in
ps.com: most folks are in too much of a hurry in todays "get it now" environment...Sailing and relaxing is "way over" most folks thinking......Wait till gas goes over $10us per gallon...That might folks to change their "rut".....imho of course... God I hate sailing with them aboard the boss' boat, too. They just HAVE to be THERE (X) by 8AM Monday morning. What the hell are they doing on this sailboat?! We got becalmed, the sea went flat as a billiard table, 90 miles due S of Charleston. Cap'n Geoffrey asked me what I thought. I told him the wind would probably come up again within a few days, peering into the huge pile of food and beer in the coolers, enough to feed us for a couple of weeks, well. He smiled, we think alike, and I hit the V-berth for a little well-deserved snooze after the midwatch. When I got up, some of "them" looked like they had ants in their shorts! They were pacing around, looking towards Charleston, verbalizing their concern with getting home. I wished they had STAYED home, in the first place! The wind was so calm the genoa just hung loose, barely moving a fiber. I ate a great sandwich Dagwood would have been proud of and fired up one of the thousands of movies on the laptop, laying back into the custom cushions. "They" all looked at me like I was crazy. The boat wasn't leaking, wasn't in any danger at all....the ideal day at sea, going nowhere. Maybe we'll have Red Snapper for dinner! We should be near their grounds... The movie over, I got sleepy, not quite rested from the Gulf Streamer Race of last night running along about as fast as I've ever seen the big ketch move. Geoffrey starting the Perkins for the long motor home woke me, our race now over, our peace-with-the-sea broken. How awful....We should have stayed. The wind came up the next day, around 11AM as the high pressure system moved out of its normal Bermuda High position..... Nuts..... Some people should never be allowed to board SAILBOATS! -- Sea Ray Boats gave my email to Channel Blade to spam me. phone 865-522-4181 Sea Ray Boats, Inc. 2600 Sea Ray Blvd. Knoxville, TN 37914 One ****ty Sea Ray boat was enough.... |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Larry wrote:
"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in ps.com: most folks are in too much of a hurry in todays "get it now" environment...Sailing and relaxing is "way over" most folks thinking......Wait till gas goes over $10us per gallon...That might folks to change their "rut".....imho of course... God I hate sailing with them aboard the boss' boat, too. They just HAVE to be THERE (X) by 8AM Monday morning. What the hell are they doing on this sailboat?! We got becalmed, the sea went flat as a billiard table, 90 miles due S of Charleston. Cap'n Geoffrey asked me what I thought. I told him the wind would probably come up again within a few days, peering into the huge pile of food and beer in the coolers, enough to feed us for a couple of weeks, well. He smiled, we think alike, and I hit the V-berth for a little well-deserved snooze after the midwatch. When I got up, some of "them" looked like they had ants in their shorts! They were pacing around, looking towards Charleston, verbalizing their concern with getting home. I wished they had STAYED home, in the first place! The wind was so calm the genoa just hung loose, barely moving a fiber. I ate a great sandwich Dagwood would have been proud of and fired up one of the thousands of movies on the laptop, laying back into the custom cushions. "They" all looked at me like I was crazy. The boat wasn't leaking, wasn't in any danger at all....the ideal day at sea, going nowhere. Maybe we'll have Red Snapper for dinner! We should be near their grounds... The movie over, I got sleepy, not quite rested from the Gulf Streamer Race of last night running along about as fast as I've ever seen the big ketch move. Geoffrey starting the Perkins for the long motor home woke me, our race now over, our peace-with-the-sea broken. How awful....We should have stayed. The wind came up the next day, around 11AM as the high pressure system moved out of its normal Bermuda High position..... Nuts..... Some people should never be allowed to board SAILBOATS! I agree. Man I hated it when our skipper would invite new people for our afternoon sail and they always *had* to be back for one thing or another by 1600 or 1700 hrs. If I had known ahead of time, I probably would have bailed out myself. This was one of the reasons I dropped off as a crew member and moved up to my own bigger boat. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Paul Cassel wrote in
: My friend is shopping for a power boat now. The prices are WAY WAY down. I suppose it's the fuel. Ah, the beat of the cadence drum synchronizing the oars, intermixed with the occasional crack of the first mate's whip to encourage them pulling harder to increase speed..... We have many strong illegals that won't be missed, you know.....as they row, quietly, out of the harbor past Ft Sumter..... All one has to do is collect them, before the Lawn-O-Green or construction slavers show up at 5AM.... How many oarlocks can be installed into the Hatteras 60 hulls, after the now useless engines have been removed? It's always been about the money, you know...... |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
most stink pot operators are not smart
enough to learn how to sail....let alone remember once taught.... Larry wrote: "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in news:q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29 @trndny01: I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! I watched a guy pass his credit card to the diesel dock attendant to pay for the 8,400 gallons of #2 diesel fuel his beast drank. I'm too dizzy to figure out the cost, just thinking about it.... Hell, in the ketch, 10 gallons will get us to Aruba!....(c; -- Sea Ray Boats gave my email to Channel Blade to spam me. phone 865-522-4181 Sea Ray Boats, Inc. 2600 Sea Ray Blvd. Knoxville, TN 37914 One ****ty Sea Ray boat was enough.... |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
If the ''Megayacht'' thread is any indication, most
powerboaters are too lazy to sail. SBV "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message news:q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29@trndny01... ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. ================================================== ========== ================================ I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================== ========== =============================== And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day ......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
In article ,
Don White wrote: I agree. Man I hated it when our skipper would invite new people for our afternoon sail and they always *had* to be back for one thing or another by 1600 or 1700 hrs. If I had known ahead of time, I probably would have bailed out myself. This was one of the reasons I dropped off as a crew member and moved up to my own bigger boat. I tell people not to plan anything for "after" a sail, since we won't know when after is until it arrives. -- Capt. JG @@ www.sailnow.com |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
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Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Now I see that the Alaska pipeline is broken ..........
Talk is that gas, fuel is going to go through the roof. Lots of boats will become "floats". But, the wind is still free. ======================================= --------------------------------------------------------------- "Thomas Wentworth" wrote in message news:q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29@trndny01... ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE - Rising gas prices are not just hitting car drivers, who are bemoaning paying $3 a gallon to go to work. They're hitting people at play, especially boaters, who now can pay around $4 a gallon. ================================================== ========================================== I read this little snipet in a paper. And then I got to thinking ??? Back in the day ( the 70's ) sailboats were very popular, there was even a song; It's not far down to paradise At least it's not for me And if the wind is right you can sail away And find tranquility The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me It's not far to never never land No reason to pretend And if the wind is right you can find the joy Of innocence again The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me Sailing Takes me away To where I've always heard it could be Just a dream and the wind to carry me And soon I will be free Fantasy It gets the best of me When I'm sailing All caught up in the reverie Every word is a symphony Won't you believe me It's not far back to sanity At least it's not for me And when the wind is right you can sail away And find serenity The canvas can do miracles Just you wait and see Believe me The hottest songs from Christopher Cross ================================================== ========================================= And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! All this leads me to believe that there will be a shift in the popularity of the type of boats the public is buying. Let's face it; there are lots of good old sailboats for about $20,000. Compare that to a big powerboat, with its two big engines. I saw one for sale at the boatyard the other day ......... asking: $47,000 dollars. So, I get to thinking ??? Buy the $20,000 boat for say $18,000 and then put in around $25,000 in upgrades. Can you imagine how sweet your sailboat would be. God, you could have a D Trump yacht. ================================== Just a thought before I head out. === Just another bit of info. The tall ship Eagle is in Portsmouth, NH this weekend. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:09:30 -0400, "Scotty"
wrote: If the ''Megayacht'' thread is any indication, most powerboaters are too lazy to sail. All power boaters bow down in deference to your superior attitude. May you someday sail in real waves. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:09:30 -0400, "Scotty" wrote: If the ''Megayacht'' thread is any indication, most powerboaters are too lazy to sail. All power boaters bow down in deference to your superior attitude. May you someday sail in real waves. Thank you Wayne, you may now rise. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Thomas Wentworth wrote:
Now I see that the Alaska pipeline is broken .......... Talk is that gas, fuel is going to go through the roof. Lots of boats will become "floats". But, the wind is still free. ======================================= Keep that on the QT. Otherwise some #$#%$ govt bureaucrat will be out measuring our sails for a 'transportation tax'. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Ryk wrote in
: On 6 Aug 2006 23:16:06 -0700, in message lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: I tell people not to plan anything for "after" a sail, since we won't know when after is until it arrives. The down side of that is it can limit your options, as many of us do have obligations. I find it much more important to have consensus about how to respond to a calm. Last night we fired up the engine on slow so as not to interfere with conversation, then fired up the BBQ for dinner as we meandered home at about 3 and a half knots. The entire day was very relaxing and part of that was knowing we had multiple options. Ryk Aw, too bad. You might not have gotten back until...(gasp)....tonight!... (c; |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Gogarty wrote in
: Whenever we invite someone for a sail and they say they have to be back by such and such a time we disinvite them. I always tell the cap'n I have to be back by next July, even in August... (c; |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
In article q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29@trndny01,
"Thomas Wentworth" wrote: And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! At our marina, even the sailboats aren't going out as much because of the cost to get TO the boat. It's really hurting the whole industry as those boats that aren't used don't break so often. Meanwhile, we used 13 gallons last year and haven't quite used 10 yet this season -- but we've only been out about 25 days so far. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Jere,,, it just occured to me ... if less people are using their boat, and
the boat market gets really soft due to fuel costs ... then the component suppliers will start to hurt as well.. By this I mean: the diesel re-power people. The equipment people. The ... you can see where this is going. Do you think that eventually the market will actually start to change the way the marina's charge? I think that one of the huge problems up here in the Northeast is the availble space for moorings, dockage, and the overall rippoffs that the marina's have become. I don't know any rich sailors. Yet, the marina's act as if all sailboat owners are rich. Go figure. If boating as a market gets soft, I wonder if we will start to see a change in the way us peons are treated. ================================= "Jere Lull" wrote in message ... In article q9mBg.1554$Fl2.29@trndny01, "Thomas Wentworth" wrote: And now with the price of fuel, I wonder if there will be a resurgence of the popularity of the cruising sailboat. I was at the fuel dock the other day, a motor boat was filling up. $300 dollars for the fill up! And this was not a big boat. I put in $20 dollars. Got my sails ready and paid the wind a compliment. Off! At our marina, even the sailboats aren't going out as much because of the cost to get TO the boat. It's really hurting the whole industry as those boats that aren't used don't break so often. Meanwhile, we used 13 gallons last year and haven't quite used 10 yet this season -- but we've only been out about 25 days so far. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:33:26 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth"
wrote: I think that one of the huge problems up here in the Northeast is the availble space for moorings, dockage, and the overall rippoffs that the marina's have become. If you owned a piece of waterfront property that was being taxed to death, and could easily be sold to condo developers for millions, you'd want a decent return on your investment also, especially in a short season like Maine's. Be glad that you can still find a marina at any price. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
Just now I was reminded of a term I heard last fall.
"stuck on stupid" ================================================== ============================== "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:33:26 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" wrote: I think that one of the huge problems up here in the Northeast is the availble space for moorings, dockage, and the overall rippoffs that the marina's have become. If you owned a piece of waterfront property that was being taxed to death, and could easily be sold to condo developers for millions, you'd want a decent return on your investment also, especially in a short season like Maine's. Be glad that you can still find a marina at any price. |
Sailboat Popularity Question ... $4 per gal fuel
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:30:02 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth"
wrote: Just now I was reminded of a term I heard last fall. "stuck on stupid" Well Tom, stupid is, as stupid does. I don't complain about the high cost of marinas because I have my own dock in front of the house with room for two boats. How about you? ====================================== ================================================= =============================== "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 14:33:26 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" wrote: I think that one of the huge problems up here in the Northeast is the availble space for moorings, dockage, and the overall rippoffs that the marina's have become. If you owned a piece of waterfront property that was being taxed to death, and could easily be sold to condo developers for millions, you'd want a decent return on your investment also, especially in a short season like Maine's. Be glad that you can still find a marina at any price. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:30:02 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth" wrote: Just now I was reminded of a term I heard last fall. "stuck on stupid" Well Tom, stupid is, as stupid does. I don't complain about the high cost of marinas because I have my own dock in front of the house with room for two boats. How about you? Well..aren't you special! Suppose you expect us common folk to genuflect as we pass by your plantation and big house. |
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On Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:17:10 GMT, Don White
wrote: Well..aren't you special! Suppose you expect us common folk to genuflect as we pass by your plantation and big house. ========================== No but it would be nice if you and Tom could share your whine with each other instead of the whole group. |
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Don White wrote in news:GEpCg.37912$pu3.496689
@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca: Well..aren't you special! Suppose you expect us common folk to genuflect as we pass by your plantation and big house. Wake 'em!......(c; |
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Well..aren't you special!
Suppose you expect us common folk to genuflect as we pass by your plantation and big house. Larry wrote: Wake 'em!......(c; On videotape DSK |
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In article WmmCg.4039$Pp1.1839@trndny04,
"Thomas Wentworth" wrote: Jere,,, it just occured to me ... if less people are using their boat, and the boat market gets really soft due to fuel costs ... then the component suppliers will start to hurt as well.. By this I mean: the diesel re-power people. The equipment people. The ... you can see where this is going. Do you think that eventually the market will actually start to change the way the marina's charge? I think that one of the huge problems up here in the Northeast is the availble space for moorings, dockage, and the overall rippoffs that the marina's have become. I don't know any rich sailors. Yet, the marina's act as if all sailboat owners are rich. Go figure. If boating as a market gets soft, I wonder if we will start to see a change in the way us peons are treated. I believe that the laws of supply and demand will prevail. Unluckily, I see it going the way of FL. Waterfront property will become too valuable to clutter with marinas if things keep up and boaters cut back on that discretionary spending. That will make the remaining marinas more expensive, driving more people away. Eventually, it'll become a rich owners' sport again, but for the dropouts living aboard the boats that no one else wants. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Larry wrote:
Here's what happened to Ashley Marina in Charleston, SC.... http://www.theharborageatashleymarina.com/ They think all boaters are billionaires...a LOCKER, the only property they can sell, is around $125,000 with the PROMISE of a slip to put the damned boat into. Sure is pretty after the investors poured money into the new docks and rebuilt the building....but there's LOTS of lockers coming up for sale in the Charleston newspaper (www.charleston.net). The transit rates are reasonable. For example, 50 amp is $100 / month. It seems to me that $1,200 / yr is darn cheap for that space. IIRC, I spent more per week for the two weeks I was at the City Marina three years ago. I had to put in due to some injuries sustained in a a bit of a blow. I got to REALLY like Charleston. -paul |
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Paul Cassel wrote in
: I got to REALLY like Charleston. Me, too. Navy sent me here in 1966. I moved away 4 times to various parts of the planet, including Tehran, Iran, but always gravitated back to Charleston. Our little group of sailors populate a good part of J-dock at City marina on the way to the North Entrance. They all moved from Ashley when it was condo-ized, unwilling to put up $120K for a locker just to get dock space where the condo operator could set regime fees and do as he pleases. It looks cheap at Ashley until you add in the monthly principal and interest on $120K for 15 years.... |
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Paul Cassel wrote:
The transit rates are reasonable. For example, 50 amp is $100 / month. It seems to me that $1,200 / yr is darn cheap for that space. IIRC, I spent more per week for the two weeks I was at the City Marina three years ago. I had to put in due to some injuries sustained in a a bit of a blow. That's just the electric fee, the slip will be a bit more! Actually the published rates at the City Marina seem only a little bit higher. I got to REALLY like Charleston. Yes, we stayed there 3 weeks (mostly at the City, but some at Ashley) and loved it. If we move South, Charleston is on the short list. (My first choice is Key West, at least for the Winter, but my wife prefers a bit more sophistication.) |
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"Bob" wrote in news:1155231608.995998.35340
@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com: I stayed with my dart. The joke was... Yep, that Dart is older than my wife and twice as reliable. 1973 Mercedes 220 Diesel...I still have it. It's my favorite car. I did a ground-up restoration from the guys who have been caring for it all these years. 57 hp....0-60 in "a few minutes"...(c; About 38mpg around town, including leaving the diesel running around 1000 RPM pulling the R- 12 air conditioner while I'm shopping....It has a manual throttle control that stays where you put it. '73 was the year advanced electronics crept into Mercedes cars. It has a quartz clock, but a mechanical regulator on the firewall for the alternator. The engine has no electrics, except the glow plugs which take a full minute to heat up in winter so it will start. You get to hold the starting knob out against a big spring until it glows in the dash. Glad I live where it's warm. Yeah, it's been making that awful knocking noise over 33 years, now. I gotta get that fixed some day. I may trade it on a Mercedes Smart Car, the tiny two-seater Europeans have been driving for a couple of years before it comes to the states, as usual. Oil company control of the US Government keeps out fuel efficient cars like the Smart so profits remain high. Talking them all into a big SUV was a sheer stroke of GENIUS! http://www.smart.com/ about 6600 British pounds but Californicate dealers want $28-30K for one in the states. They won't import the simplest, most economical of them Europeans are buying. Unlike my 220D, however, you'll have to hire a computer analyst to repair it. ANY mechanic instantly knows what's wrong with my old diesel Benz....(c; BMW Minis are way too big and expensive.... |
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Larry wrote:
"Bob" wrote in news:1155231608.995998.35340 @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com: I stayed with my dart. The joke was... Yep, that Dart is older than my wife and twice as reliable. 1973 Mercedes 220 Diesel...I still have it. It's my favorite car. I did a ground-up restoration from the guys who have been caring for it all these years. 57 hp....0-60 in "a few minutes"...(c; About 38mpg around town, including leaving the diesel running around 1000 RPM pulling the R- 12 air conditioner while I'm shopping....It has a manual throttle control that stays where you put it. '73 was the year advanced electronics crept into Mercedes cars. It has a quartz clock, but a mechanical regulator on the firewall for the alternator. The engine has no electrics, except the glow plugs which take a full minute to heat up in winter so it will start. You get to hold the starting knob out against a big spring until it glows in the dash. Glad I live where it's warm. Yeah, it's been making that awful knocking noise over 33 years, now. I gotta get that fixed some day. I may trade it on a Mercedes Smart Car, the tiny two-seater Europeans have been driving for a couple of years before it comes to the states, as usual. Oil company control of the US Government keeps out fuel efficient cars like the Smart so profits remain high. Talking them all into a big SUV was a sheer stroke of GENIUS! http://www.smart.com/ about 6600 British pounds but Californicate dealers want $28-30K for one in the states. They won't import the simplest, most economical of them Europeans are buying. Unlike my 220D, however, you'll have to hire a computer analyst to repair it. ANY mechanic instantly knows what's wrong with my old diesel Benz....(c; BMW Minis are way too big and expensive.... The first 'Smart' cars arrived here in September 2004. I see lots on the lot. Come on up...I believe they start at about $18,000.00 CDN..(approx $16,000.00 US?) http://www.oregans.com/dealerships_smart_centre.asp |
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:54:32 -0400, Larry wrote:
Our little group of sailors populate a good part of J-dock at City marina on the way to the North Entrance. We stayed at City marina for a couple of days last spring on our way north. I was very impressed with both the marina and the town. Our primary generator needed some work when we pulled in, and the marina staff conjured up a first rate diesel mechanic with virtually no advance notice. I think his name was John, a tough wiry guy who had a mobile van loaded with spares, excellent skills and reasonable rates. |
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 08:08:10 -0400, Larry wrote:
I may trade it on a Mercedes Smart Car, the tiny two-seater Europeans have been driving for a couple of years I'd like to see a picture of you in a Smart car. :-) |
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larry wrote..." Oil company control of the US
Government keeps out fuel efficient cars like the Smart so profits remain high" But also wrote... " leaving the diesel running around 1000 RPM pulling the R- 12 air conditioner while I'm shopping"" Anybody else see the irony in this? Scotty "Larry" wrote in message ... "Bob" wrote in news:1155231608.995998.35340 @m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com: I stayed with my dart. The joke was... Yep, that Dart is older than my wife and twice as reliable. 1973 Mercedes 220 Diesel...I still have it. It's my favorite car. I did a ground-up restoration from the guys who have been caring for it all these years. 57 hp....0-60 in "a few minutes"...(c; About 38mpg around town, including leaving the diesel running around 1000 RPM pulling the R- 12 air conditioner while I'm shopping....It has a manual throttle control that stays where you put it. '73 was the year advanced electronics crept into Mercedes cars. It has a quartz clock, but a mechanical regulator on the firewall for the alternator. The engine has no electrics, except the glow plugs which take a full minute to heat up in winter so it will start. You get to hold the starting knob out against a big spring until it glows in the dash. Glad I live where it's warm. Yeah, it's been making that awful knocking noise over 33 years, now. I gotta get that fixed some day. I may trade it on a Mercedes Smart Car, the tiny two-seater Europeans have been driving for a couple of years before it comes to the states, as usual. Oil company control of the US Government keeps out fuel efficient cars like the Smart so profits remain high. Talking them all into a big SUV was a sheer stroke of GENIUS! http://www.smart.com/ about 6600 British pounds but Californicate dealers want $28-30K for one in the states. They won't import the simplest, most economical of them Europeans are buying. Unlike my 220D, however, you'll have to hire a computer analyst to repair it. ANY mechanic instantly knows what's wrong with my old diesel Benz....(c; BMW Minis are way too big and expensive.... |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: I think his name was John, a tough wiry guy who had a mobile van loaded with spares, excellent skills and reasonable rates. John's Marine Electric....he's around all the time. Great service guy, even at night. |
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