Gerald wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
The power boat culture is not like the sailboat society. They can rock
your
sailboat with a big wake and wave their hands at you with a smile


Bill Kearney wrote:
Or just blindly tack directly in front of another vessel and then whine
about "right of way" having not taken at least the slightest look around
first.

Why attribute "tacking in front of another vessel" to blindness? Could it
be a windshift, shoaling water, engaged in racing?

Neither windshift or racing afford a sailboat any special privleges under
the rules.

If you had a clue, you wouldn't think that sailboats "tack blindly" or at
random, much less think they were under any obligation to keep clear of
motor vessels.

Many sailors think they always have "right-of-way" over powerboats. The
rules DO discuss a few situations where sailboats are the Stand On Vessel.
While these few cases are probably the most common situations most people
deal with on a day-to-basis - mostly crossing --- the situations in the
rules where a sailboat may be the Give Way vessel are more numerous. Many
sailors seem to operate onder the "Sail over Power" concept that does not (I
don't think ever did) exist. Sailboats are frequently under obligation to
stay clear of motor vessels.

Boo Hoo!

If you ever sailed, you would understand why it seems, wrongly, that
sailors essentially ignore powerboats.

It ain't so, but it boils down to the same thing.

As well, remember that nothing in the rules prevents, as a general
rule, any vessel from going to where they are going, which may not be a
point of interest for some one in a high speed power conveyance.

Tough. It's a fact of life that sailors have many encumberances to
their freedom to navigate, unlike power driven vessels who can easily
avoid sailors, who need never fear that a sailor will ever persue them
to harrass them or collide with them or "wake" them or splash them or
manouver to take their picture advantageously.

Sailors must do some of the things you seem to take as malicious
mischief.

That is why the rules seem to create, and actually do create, an
environment where power boats are expected to steer around sailboats.
We are helpless against your power and especially against your
ignorance.

It's tough, but you can do it. You will do it. It's the law, and
rightly so, and for good reasons proved over many years of litigation
in admiralty court and agreed by all or most of the national
governments of the world who border on water. You are not expected to
understand, but you must comply.

We sailors cannot ensure it, but even so most of us do our best not to
embarrass power boaters who aren't looking or thinking, though we are
having enough trouble keeping clear of shallows, rocks, swimmers,
deadheads and other sailboats, with all of our dependance on wind
shifts you don't even notice, depth requirements you don't think about,
and slavishness to 3 knot currents that mean nothing to you.

Our passion is to enjoy nature on the water, not to plow through it at
speed. Consider us as hazards on a golf course. Be a sport.

Don't hog all the dock outlets, either.

Terry K

Why attribute "tacking in front of another vessel" to
blindness? Could it be a windshift, shoaling water, engaged
in racing?

Ok, quote the rules, from the federal regs, that clearly state those reasons
justify making a sudden turn into the path of another vessel, without giving
any sort of audible sign.

If you had a clue, you wouldn't think that sailboats "tack
blindly" or at random, much less think they were under any
obligation to keep clear of motor vessels.

Why is it ragbaggers always want to jump in assuming they somehow know
better? Just as often they're completely incorrect, not only about the
rules but also the level of knowledge about the other people posting.

There's enough idiocy around without the stereotypes, no?

Then why be such an idiot? You only perpetuate the
stereotype of motorboaters.

You often nothing here other than insults, my how typical.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:28:35 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote:

The other side of my slip was just rented and I now don't have AC
power because the powerboat next to me has two shore power cords
plugged in. I spoke to the marina weeks ago and they assured me they
would take care of it because he's only paying for one outlet. Either
they didn't or he's not listening. The boat has been dark with no
sign of activity for nearly a month now.

Before I just unplug one of his cords, which appears to be the only
path to resolution, I'd appreciate knowing how these dual systems are
usually set up. Is there a split bus so that some things on the boat
will stop working or will he just have less amperage available?
Although I'll unplug him at the boat as well, I'd like to know for
general curiosity whether there is any back feed from the unused inlet
plug.

According to the ABYC standards, there should be no electrical
connection between his two power inlets.


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"Peter Bennett" wrote

According to the ABYC standards, there should be no electrical
connection between his two power inlets.

My BlueSea dual 30A AC panel has slides that prevent combining the busses if
both source breakers are on. A Y adapter does essentially the same thing.
The current is split between two conductors but there is only one source
from dock side. The risk is that if he is running his A/C, refer, battery
charger and water heater at the same time the dock pedestal breaker is going
to blow.

I agree though that this is the marina operator's problem and somebody needs
to stay on him until he resolves it.

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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote

The risk is that if he is running his A/C, refer, battery charger
and water heater at the same time the dock pedestal breaker is going
to blow.

As near as I can tell, he isn't running anything; certainly not the
engines. The boat's just been sitting there dark for weeks.


I agree though that this is the marina operator's problem and
somebody needs to stay on him until he resolves it.

Not bliddy likely in this place.

I found some open sockets on the other side of him and just moved one
of his cords to one after making sure the outlet was live (not
something you take for granted in our marina).

I want power available when I need it for tools, the occasional hot
shower, or a big dishwashing after a daysail. I don't like to leave
my boat plugged in all the time because I don't see any reason to pump
any ground leakage (probably inevitable in this place) through my
metal parts when I'm not using the power.

I guess I've got to reserve a plug in this environment. I've got a
marine to standard household adapter that I use to plug a line tester
cube into for checking outlets before I plug in. I put my name and
the boat's name on it and left it in the outlet with breaker turned
off. We'll see if that works.

--

Roger Long

Some shore power connections are labelled. Look for one labelled 'air
conditioning' and disconnect that one. A good percentage of the time the
refrigerator, freezer or icemaker won't be on the same circuit as the A/C.
If you're inclined to check it'd certainly be polite to avoid disconnecting
the one that lets food in the fridge to go rotten. But most units are
designed to run both off AC and 12v and there's no way to tell which is
being used. So it won't do a lot of good to disconnect one of the lines and
then look in the fridge as it'll cut over from AC to 12v and keep right on
running. Wearing down the battery along the way, of course and then you're
putting the bilge pump operations at risk.

If it's got a label I'd just disconnect the one for the AC. I'm not sure
I'd go leaving notes about it.

-Bill Kearney