Wayne.B wrote:
OK, so what do you call a wave that is much bigger than the others
around it for some period of time? Statistical anomaly ?

Hi Wayne:

Thank you for the question. Sure if you're the kind that also uses
mean, mode, median, range, SD etc in a conversation. For me they are
just really big waves that pop up from time to time and most times are
rather predictable. Yes I did say predictable.

As I mentioned last time, with many not agreeing and many others
posting monster wave pic as proof of rogue and sneaker waves, for me it
is a way to view my relationship with the oceans.

I believe that there is nothing inherently sneaky nor roguish about the
seas. The worlds oceans are simply doing what they always do. For me to
live and enjoy the oceans I have placed myself, not as some macho able
to beat and over come my nautical adversary, rather as someone there to
enjoy all the amazing things that occur out there. For me to say I got
hit by a rogue wave that came from nowhere and smite my vessel is to
say that I am also just a hapless stooge who has no responsibility for
my own safety. A rather childish approach if you go by that
Transitional Analysis stuff from the early 70s.

So I say, sorry, no such thing as a rogue wave. Just lots of really
interesting events that are possible at sea, that we need to be
prepared to maneuver, and hopefully able to predict more accurately.

Call it all liberal BS semantics if you want. However, the language a
person uses serves as a great window to see what they think. On the
other hand, language also effects the way people think and behave
(Worf-Sapier). So change the language and we might change how people
think about the sea. Personally I do not want to be helpless and
victimized by a sneaker. I would much rather say it the way it
was.......... I got caught with my pants down because I was not paying
enough attention to what was going on.

This will really start the flamers. Why do teen age boys get in so many
car crashes (humm, I wonder why its not called an accident anymore?)
and pay such high auto insurance premiums? I say poor judgment. I also
say why do some people keep sinking their boats ? I say poor judgment.

Why do you think I'm called Bob?

PS
For everyone. Please list the conditions that contribute to the
creation and propagation of "sneaker waves": If you can not list
three now find out fast!

In article om,
"Bob" wrote:

Me wrote:

Bull****...... Don't try telling that to the guys that fish
King Crab in the Bering Sea, in December...... There isn't one
of them, that hasn't seen a Rogue Wave...come up and slam their
vessel that wasn't at least twice what the sea was doing at the
time......

Me been there, seen that, and lived to tell the tale.......

Lets see..... my first day on the Bering was 1983, December 26. Spent
some time up around the horse shoe, some around the mushroom, and even
hit the donut hole a year later. Got to puke my guts out side the Elbo
Room a time or two. Hung with some to the Magone guys on the beach,
good friend from high school lived in the only dome in Dutch, called in
orders of just about anything and had "Any Cab" deliver it, and
generally had a fun time.

I've left foot prints on the celling and still say, their aint no such
thing as a rogue wave.
Still Bobbing
Oh, I almost forgot.............. GFY


So you went to Dutch, and spent some time in the Bars..... that's
really a Big Whoop.... Now tell us all the boat you GreenHorned on,
or maybe the boat you Deckhanded on, after that, as a Fullshare Deckhand.
Lots of guys talk big in the bars, and turn out to be processors from
Unalaska, who never spent an hour, standing wheelwatch in a 90 Knot
breeze off the Port Quarter, with the B ow buried under 30 ft of Green
Water. There are guys who have fished that country in a 58Ft Limit
Seiner. Now that takes Guts..........

Me not that gutsy...... at least not any more........

Me wrote:

Me not that gutsy...... .

You keep using words like "they."

I think you've been watching too much Discovery channel.
Lets see, what would be an appropreate response here......... oh yea.
I've ****ed more salt water than you been on....so GFY.

Jason wrote:


Rogue Giants at Sea

"...By one definition, the titans of the sea rise to heights of at least
25 meters, or 82 feet, about the size of an eight-story building.
Scientists have calculated their theoretical maximum at 198 feet —
higher than the Statue of Liberty or the Capitol rotunda in Washington.
So far, however, they have documented nothing that big. Large rogues
seem to average around 100 feet."

If it's the NY(lying)Times I expect it blames Bush for this problem.

I've seen rogue waves, but not nearly the size many claim they can get.
Reputedly, these huge waves occur way out in the middle of the Pacific
where few if any ships go and are rare. So the chance of a ship finding
one is very slim (size of ship, size of wave, size of ocean).

I've seen rogue waves in the sense of them being more than 2x the size
of the other larger waves. In my case, as in many of these cases, it's
not really a WAVE, but a HOLE and once in the hole, it looks like you
are around huge waves.

We fell into a hole during some sustained 70 kt winds in the north
Pacific. The waves broke into the hole burying us, but the boat was
sound and we bobbed back up to the surface in what seemed a long time.

-paul

26 years master mariner (foreign going) + BSc master mariner - china,
japan, malaya, indonesia, indian ocean, west africa, east coast states
and western europe. The waves nearly got me 3 times, its the greedy
shipowners that were almost successful, the hours were horrendous, now
I'm an accountant, much easier.
ken

Paul Cassel wrote:
Jason wrote:


Rogue Giants at Sea

"...By one definition, the titans of the sea rise to heights of at least
25 meters, or 82 feet, about the size of an eight-story building.
Scientists have calculated their theoretical maximum at 198 feet -
higher than the Statue of Liberty or the Capitol rotunda in Washington.
So far, however, they have documented nothing that big. Large rogues
seem to average around 100 feet."

If it's the NY(lying)Times I expect it blames Bush for this problem.

I've seen rogue waves, but not nearly the size many claim they can get.
Reputedly, these huge waves occur way out in the middle of the Pacific
where few if any ships go and are rare. So the chance of a ship finding
one is very slim (size of ship, size of wave, size of ocean).

I've seen rogue waves in the sense of them being more than 2x the size
of the other larger waves. In my case, as in many of these cases, it's
not really a WAVE, but a HOLE and once in the hole, it looks like you
are around huge waves.

We fell into a hole during some sustained 70 kt winds in the north
Pacific. The waves broke into the hole burying us, but the boat was
sound and we bobbed back up to the surface in what seemed a long time.

-paul