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220 and 110 for cruising boats
I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it
takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. |
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220 and 110 for cruising boats
Terry,
Is it possible that your "220" installation boat is a 50Hz European wiring setup? You might want to look into whether this boat is wired expecting that type of input or the U.S. standard of 60Hz. If so, there may be problems in doing what you describe, as the input is a single phase 220 volt three wire system (hot, neutral, ground), where as the 220 volt U.S. standard uses four wires, two hot and one neutral, one ground. There are other considerations as well such as the difference in Hertz will also affect many different pieces of electronic equipment and motors. Hope this helps. Cheers, Robb Terry wrote: I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. |
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"Terry" wrote in news:1150619837.438321.17910
@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. If this boat is a European boat, there is no "neutral" wiring to get 120V off of. We simply rewired the French Amel Sharki ketch with all new US wiring. There's no center tap neutral in Europe...or the rest of the world on 50 Hz. |
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Terry wrote:
I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. As Robb pointed out, it would be a good idea to make sure your 220 volt equipment will work on 60 Hz. A slightly tongue-in-cheek suggestion for a "quick fix" is to use a 250 volt isolation transformer for the boat's current wiring, and an additional 125 volt transformer for any 125 volt circuits you might want to add. Might be a lot less expensive than a complete rewiring and the isolation transformer provides additional benefits. You could use a single 250 volt center-tapped isolation transformer providing you connected either a 125 volt circuit or a 250 volt circuit, but not both at the same time. I really don't think this is likely to be a very satisfactory arrangement. With regard to isolation transformer pricing, if you are willing to consider non-bulletproof designs that don't satisfy the ABYC belt, suspenders and hands-in-the-pockets standard, you can purchase very good isolation transformers for a reasonable amount. Last time I checked, only one supplier of isolation transformers met the ABYC standards, and that company was on the committee that wrote the standard. Anyway, consider insurance and survey impacts as well as safety when you contemplate radical rewiring. Good luck. Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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On 18 Jun 2006 01:37:17 -0700, "Terry" wrote:
I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. I have a boat that was originally owned by a European who lived in Hong Kong and took it to Europe for a while. When it came to the US, the previous owner added a 240-120 stepdown transformer and added US 110v outlets. The 120 feeds the battery charger/inverter that feeds the 120 volt outlets. The stepdown transformer is also an isolation transformer as there is no neutral leg on the 110 which allegedly makes using 110 v tools safer and a GFCI unnecessary. (I still have the GFCIs because when the 120 comes from the inverter, it forces one leg to ground.). You could do it as you suggested and indeed the owner just before me disconnected the transformer and tapped between one phase and ground for 120v. When an electrician spotted that, he told me that it would throw unbalanced loads into the generator (240v, 60Hz) when it was operating. The 50 vs 60 thing only involves AC motors that might run faster than expected. A transformer will run hotter on 50Hz than on 60HZ, so running a 50Hz transformer on 60hz isn't a problem. Just be sure to consider battery chargers, inverters and generators as they make the issue more complex. |
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220 and 110 for cruising boats
One other thing you may not have considered. The wiring for 220V is
generally a bit undersized for 120V, as the amperage goes up as the voltage goes down. Unless your boat was wired with exceptionally heavy wiring, which I seriously doubt, you will probably need to replace much if not all of the wiring. |
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Dick Locke wrote:
On 18 Jun 2006 01:37:17 -0700, "Terry" wrote: I am in the process of getting a 220 boat. I am thinking that if it takes it takes two phases to make 220 for boat wiring then I can run a separate pair from the neutral and one phase and make that into 110 for the boat. I can then install both 220 and 110 plugs on the vessel. Would like to know if anybody can critique me on this as I am not 100 percent sure. I have a boat that was originally owned by a European who lived in Hong Kong and took it to Europe for a while. When it came to the US, the previous owner added a 240-120 stepdown transformer and added US SNIP Keep in mind that not all step-down transformers provide isolation. Some are simple auto-transformers. Chuck ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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