Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

yep, ya need the two sails to creat the "slot" and lift to
get the boat to move fwd...unless you are going down wind,
or "off" the wind.....then a main will just push you along,
downwind...happy sailing!!....

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

" To be a little more precise about my boat (which
has a modified rudder and may not be typical of
all E 32's):"


roger that e32 looks like a great boat...how do ya
like it? what year do you have? on avg, how many
folks do you cruise with?...thanx....

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

Read my assessment of the boat, especially as a single hander, he

Http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat22.htm#Single

There are four of us and it's a great four person boat but will sleep
six for shorter cruises if the double extendable settee is used.
Unlike many boats that sleep six, it will also sail six and even eight
comfortably and six people can sit comfortably at the cabin table for
dinner.

A lot of ganja got smoked while these boat were being built so there
are a lot of funny angles in the interior joinerwork which gives them
a kind of hobbit like charm. It's all real wood however and one of
the pleasantest interiors I've seen in this price and size range.

The hulls and decks are solid and thick so there are no core problems
to worry about. These boats will be around long after most of their
contemporaries are gone.

The handling qualities are what I like best about the boat.

Ours is a 1980, the next to the last year and the first with the teak
cabin sole that adds a lot to the boat.

There's more than any rational and sane person would ever want to know
about the boat on my web site at:

Http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat.htm

--

Roger Long



"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
ups.com...
" To be a little more precise about my boat (which
has a modified rudder and may not be typical of
all E 32's):"


roger that e32 looks like a great boat...how do ya
like it? what year do you have? on avg, how many
folks do you cruise with?...thanx....

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:

yep, ya need the two sails to creat the "slot" and lift to
get the boat to move fwd...unless you are going down wind,
or "off" the wind.....then a main will just push you along,
downwind...happy sailing!!....


Is that why Lasers and other cat rigs can't go to windward?

;)

DSK

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

But if OTOH you locked the helm, like you have to do on your own
boat?


Roger Long wrote:
Never tried it but it's had to imagine the Pearson 26 which I sailed a
lot would do it. I'm thinking back 20 years though.

If anyone knows of a spade rudder boat (except maybe for a long,
skinny, atypical, type) steering itself to windward, I'd be curious to
hear. Some skeg ahead of the rudder seems to help a lot.


I know of many... am pretty sure to have done it on a
Pearson 26, one of which I made a delivery trip many years ago.

All you need to do is get the helm set just enough to
weather that the boat will sail straight ahead when heeled a
bit, bear away when the wind slacks up or heads, and rounds
up slightly when heeled too far. I've done it on many fin
keelers including quite a few with no skeg. The best way
IMHO is to use a piece of very strong shock cord across the
cockpit & clove-hitched to the tiller, so that you can make
a fine adjustment by slipping the hitch a few twists to one
side or the other... and you can also grab the helm and
steer by hand if you have some urgent reason to do so quickly.

You're right that an underwater shape with more longitudinal
stability helps a lot. But it's not necessary to get the
boat to "sail itself" to windward or close reaching. On a
beam reach or off the wind, no dice!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

roger...i will cruise the web site....thanx....

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

yea, good point...i guess i would say
they can't sail near as close to the wind...
as a sloop can......

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

Actually, one sail is inherently more close winded and efficient than
two or more. Catboats can sail quite close to the wind. The rub is
having to have a mast which is not as good a leading edge.

When throwing around these broad generalizations, you have to keep
mind that it isn't fair to compare a sloop with a very efficient hull
and keels, good sails, and all sorts of sail controls, with a
traditional catboat with a gaff, centerboard, etc. There's much more
to it than just the sail plan. Even the hulls of the modern catboats
such as the Nonsuch boats are not the same hulls found under many
sloop rigs.

--

Roger Long



"~^ beancounter ~^" wrote in message
oups.com...
yea, good point...i guess i would say
they can't sail near as close to the wind...
as a sloop can......

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

yea, i was also thinking of the laser and sabot...location fore and aft
of the mast plays a role as well...as the laser and sabot have the mast
way foward...while sloopd have the mast closer to the center of the
vessel...that is ...more over the keel vs. way foward....

Sailing a sloop with main alone...
 

On Fri, 19 May 2006 18:38:12 +0000, Roger Long wrote:

"Matt O'Toole" wrote

Gee, my old Islander 24 would do that most of the time in moderate
winds. In
fact often it would do it without the helm locked.

A lot of boats balance well enough for this. In fact the best
candidates
for vane steering are the boats that almost don't need it.

Most of the fin keel boats I've sailed had spade rudders and you
couldn't let go of them for a second; especially if they had tillers.

This certainly isn't always true, though it's more common than not.
And many full keeled boats balance terribly too.

To be a little more precise about my boat (which has a modified rudder
and may not be typical of all E 32's):

Going fast under main alone, as in right after rolling up the headsail
or turning off the engine, self steering close hauled is effortless. As
long as the boat isn't yawing when you do it, just turning the helm
brake starts her jogging along to windward.

Going slowly, at the speed the boat can reach under main alone from a
standing start or after losing speed in a tack, the five minutes or so
of tweaking I tried before giving up wouldn't get her to settle down.
More experimentation, wearing around instead of tacking, etc. may still
do it so I shouldn't say she doesn't self steer.

At the higher speed it's easy, at the lower speed it's hard and maybe
impossible.

This is key, or one of the keys. The more speed you have, the more lift
the foils have, and the less they're overwhelmed by the sails.

Matt O.