I’m probably like a lot of you folks. I would like the effects of
licensing, knowing that the burdened vessel converging with me and
sort of wavering around in his course actually does know which way to
turn, not having my tax dollars spent looking for bozo’s, etc. I would
also like the freedom of making my own decisions about my competence.
It would also be nice not to have a system come to the waters I sail
where there is an incentive for uniforms who were told to go out and
"show that the system is working" but don’t actually know how to come
alongside or use fenders waste a portion of my afternoon looking for
little pieces of paper.

Everything about the way NJ has implemented the system strikes me as a
good example of how government always finds a way to inconvenience
people and restrict their freedoms without actually doing anything
constructive about the problem. I don’t know what’s going on in CT but
it’s probably another reason to stay north of Cape Cod.

It will probably come to Maine too but it will probably come last.
Hopefully, it will be after I’m no longer too concerned about it. If
it does come become an issue, it isn’t going to do any good to spout
some of the nonsense in the mega thread I started below. We aren’t the
NRA with a constitutional amendment backing us up. Some kind of
alternative will have to be presented. Here’s just an idea.

Establish a fee (can’t be a tax because taxes can’t be raised or added
anymore) of, maybe, 1% on the sale of every new and used boat. If the
buyer can produce a certificate from a recognized course such as the
power squadron, or maybe a no claim history from insurance of a vessel
of similar size, the seller can submit a copy of that instead of the
fee. If someone just wants the boat and is willing to pay the fee,
then it goes to safe boating education and printing more of those
silly hand outs.

I’m not advocating doing this either but, if licensing talk starts up
this way, I want some alternative to present.


--

Roger Long

I'm a licensed USCG captain and ASA instructor. Having said that, any
license that is required for boating on anything other then inland
waterways is easy to shoot down and should be shot point blank. I am
not familiar with what you are referring to and I am not in your area
for ease or will to find out but if you don't like the law, remember
that you can do something about it. If you don't you'll end up like
the lazy fools in south Florida that sat on their collective fat asses
and did nothing while illegal anchoring laws went into effect all over
the state.

Maritime law is locked into place by international treaty and no state
can override the law just because they pass a local BS law. Case in
point is the guy that was anchored out by Estero Island near Fort
Myers. The local socialist republic of Fort Myers (heavily fortified by
old, decrepit, bored and retired New Yorkers) decided to put up a
mooring ball field. No one did anything about it. There was a passage
of a law and even (supposedly) a signoff from the federal secretary of
transportation. The guy refused to move his boat from the now forbidden
zone. Local law reproachment towed his boat. He sued and won. By the
way, he was in Inland water.

Maritime law dates back 4,000 to 5,000 years - Noah probably sailed
by them! It is international and is a major body of sovereign law that
all boaters should be aware of. Your rights are only yours if you claim
them and protect them. People forget that freedom isn't free. I know
most northerners are real big on liberal heart bleeding government but
has never taken more then 10% of any population to win any revolution
against any government in all history. You're only dealing with a few
laws so stand up and burn them down.

Self responsibly may be unfashionable but it still works better then
anything else.

Da Kine wrote:
I'm a licensed USCG captain and ASA instructor. Having said that, any
license that is required for boating on anything other then inland
waterways is easy to shoot down and should be shot point blank.

OOhhh.... Gee, a real captain. So you signed the Small Vessel Sea
Searvice Form testifying that you owned a 16' boat and lied about
having 360 days on the river with uncle Bubba when you were sixteen? I
guess that 25 GRT Master Inland waters was really tough to get.

So why bother with that caaptain license? Isn't that just another
example of liberal big government manipulating you?

Sarcastic Bob

No, I drive cargo ships from time to time, have about 25,000 miles of
open ocean towing, do deliveries from here to there like from
California to Florida, Florida to either North Carolina or New York and
back, and a few to Asia, Drive charters and instruct on all kinds of
boats with all kinds of formats from ASA 101 to working with Denis
Conner in San Diego on Stars and Stripes. Most of the boats I drive for
charter don't exceed 120' and for fun I captain tall ships, or at
least the smaller ones like Swift of Ipswich in Los Angeles. If you
want to count mate work, my resume really gets rather extensive.

You obviously haven't learned what you should have about maritime law
and where it came from. If you did you wouldn't be so willfully
ignorant. I suggest you have some fun and read a little.

As for my background, Any other questions? .... Give me a little time
to get back to you if you do because I am only in port until morning
and then I will be underway again for a spell and may not have
connection.

P.S., Bite me!

Roger ,, are you a Communist? What part of "leave me, my boat, my life, my
life on the water" out of your socialist ideas don't you get?

A fee isn't a tax? Sure,,, no, it is a fee. Are you truly so nuts as
this?

The reason we, me, us, go sailing is to get away from authority. To be
FREE. Let the wind drive us forward, the sea our friend ....

But that isn't good enough for you ,, nope. You want to ruin sailing.



================================================== ===========================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I'm probably like a lot of you folks. I would like the effects of
licensing, knowing that the burdened vessel converging with me and sort of
wavering around in his course actually does know which way to turn, not
having my tax dollars spent looking for bozo's, etc. I would also like the
freedom of making my own decisions about my competence. It would also be
nice not to have a system come to the waters I sail where there is an
incentive for uniforms who were told to go out and "show that the system
is working" but don't actually know how to come alongside or use fenders
waste a portion of my afternoon looking for little pieces of paper.

Everything about the way NJ has implemented the system strikes me as a
good example of how government always finds a way to inconvenience people
and restrict their freedoms without actually doing anything constructive
about the problem. I don't know what's going on in CT but it's probably
another reason to stay north of Cape Cod.

It will probably come to Maine too but it will probably come last.
Hopefully, it will be after I'm no longer too concerned about it. If it
does come become an issue, it isn't going to do any good to spout some of
the nonsense in the mega thread I started below. We aren't the NRA with a
constitutional amendment backing us up. Some kind of alternative will have
to be presented. Here's just an idea.

Establish a fee (can't be a tax because taxes can't be raised or added
anymore) of, maybe, 1% on the sale of every new and used boat. If the
buyer can produce a certificate from a recognized course such as the power
squadron, or maybe a no claim history from insurance of a vessel of
similar size, the seller can submit a copy of that instead of the fee. If
someone just wants the boat and is willing to pay the fee, then it goes to
safe boating education and printing more of those silly hand outs.

I'm not advocating doing this either but, if licensing talk starts up this
way, I want some alternative to present.


--

Roger Long

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:30:06 GMT, "Thomas Wentworth"
wrote:

Let the wind drive us forward, the sea our friend ....

Even though you may love the water, never think of the sea as your
friend.

A friend cares about you, but the sea is indifferent.

/end sermon

"Wayne.B" wrote


A friend cares about you, but the sea is indifferent.

I think the sea will be particularly indifferent to this fellow since
I can see no evidence that he will ever have a boat to go on it. Have
you noticed how increasingly off the wall and emotional his posts have
gotten since he first showed up here asking some apparently reasonable
questions about looking for a boat?

I offered him some help in a personal email with no response and I get
these bitter attacks based on his inability to read my posts carefully
enough to see that I'm not saying what he accuses me of at all. (What
do I know? Well, while I'm just getting involved with the details of
small yachts again after several decades, large institutions pay me to
advised them on the procurement of millon dollar plus vessels.)

Too bad, something made me want to help this guy early on but my next
keyclicks after this post will be to killfile him.

--

Roger Long

Roger ,, why do you want to ruin sailing? Why are you looking to the
"government" all the time? Can't you take care of yourself? Are you some
type of lame ass?

Don't you see what the program you want will lead too? Can't you see the
mess the US Government is in? Do you want some government hack telling you
when you can go sailing?

What on earth is in your head?


I can't believe any sailor would want the government for anything? Take
care of yourself. If you act irrisponsible and die,, good.

The last think on earth any sailor needs is the government telling him/her
when he/she can go out on the ocean.

Bad weather ,,,, big stop sign at the end of the harbor...

Big wind .... Uncle Sam says you can't go out today...

What are you thinking?

I thought you were a sailor?// act and think like one..


========================================
"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Wayne.B" wrote


A friend cares about you, but the sea is indifferent.

I think the sea will be particularly indifferent to this fellow since I
can see no evidence that he will ever have a boat to go on it. Have you
noticed how increasingly off the wall and emotional his posts have gotten
since he first showed up here asking some apparently reasonable questions
about looking for a boat?

I offered him some help in a personal email with no response and I get
these bitter attacks based on his inability to read my posts carefully
enough to see that I'm not saying what he accuses me of at all. (What do
I know? Well, while I'm just getting involved with the details of small
yachts again after several decades, large institutions pay me to advised
them on the procurement of millon dollar plus vessels.)

Too bad, something made me want to help this guy early on but my next
keyclicks after this post will be to killfile him.

--

Roger Long

Thomas Wentworth wrote:
Why are you looking to the
"government" all the time? Can't you take care of yourself? Are you some
type of lame ass?


Hi All:
I thinkI have probable spent enough time on this one.

Thomas W. Try the folloing discusion group. You may find a more willing
audience.
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

Bob
Volunteer Instructor, Oregon Manditory Boater Education Prgram
(Why volunteer?)

Thomas Wentworth wrote:
Roger ,, are you a Communist? What part of "leave me, my boat, my life, my
life on the water" out of your socialist ideas don't you get?

A fee isn't a tax? Sure,,, no, it is a fee. Are you truly so nuts as
this?

The reason we, me, us, go sailing is to get away from authority. To be
FREE. Let the wind drive us forward, the sea our friend ....

But that isn't good enough for you ,, nope. You want to ruin sailing.



Actually good sensible sailors want & need some kind of minimal
protection from irresponsible, don't tell me what to do, type of
boaters. Without rules and regulations and an authority to enforce same,
chaos would take over.
Not the type of environment I'd want to take my family sailing in.