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"Gary" wrote in message
news:A1BRf.143636$B94.105427@pd7tw3no... Capt. JG wrote: "Roger Long" wrote in message ... What's your vote for the stern retrieval, three part tackle or line coiled and ready to be led to a sheet winch? For a stern retrieval? Hmmm... it would have to be very calm conditions for me to try it. That said, you have the backstay, I would have some line handy. Of course, if the person is unable to help, you'll have trouble with that method. While sailing this weekend I was looking at this problem. Roger is right and using the vang would be difficult. I then thought about the lee runner. It is loose, has a four to one purchase and a snap shackle. It would be pretty easy to put a sling on it and lower it to a man in the water. Comments? Seems like that would work fine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:10:24 GMT, in message
A1BRf.143636$B94.105427@pd7tw3no Gary wrote: While sailing this weekend I was looking at this problem. Roger is right and using the vang would be difficult. I then thought about the lee runner. It is loose, has a four to one purchase and a snap shackle. It would be pretty easy to put a sling on it and lower it to a man in the water. Comments? How do you make sure it stays the *lee* runner? Would an accidental jibe during the process endanger your rig or just make the sail shape lousy? How high can you lift the COB using the runner purchase if the runner is brought forward to amidships on the lee side? Ryk |
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Ryk wrote:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:10:24 GMT, in message A1BRf.143636$B94.105427@pd7tw3no Gary wrote: While sailing this weekend I was looking at this problem. Roger is right and using the vang would be difficult. I then thought about the lee runner. It is loose, has a four to one purchase and a snap shackle. It would be pretty easy to put a sling on it and lower it to a man in the water. Comments? How do you make sure it stays the *lee* runner? Would an accidental jibe during the process endanger your rig or just make the sail shape lousy? How high can you lift the COB using the runner purchase if the runner is brought forward to amidships on the lee side? Ryk My mast will stay up without runners. They were put there for insurance (overkill) by a previous owner. I could lift the COB so his feet are off the deck. The top block is chest high. Gaz |
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Roger Long wrote:
This is always a good time of year to think over your standard operating procedures and decide what changes could increase your safety and boating enjoyment. Here's a link to the description of one thing I'm going to do differently this year: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Strider0603.htm#lifesling Which brings up one of those questions without a clear-cut answer that usually set off nice long newsgroup threads. What is the best way to get the sopping wet idiot who went over the side back on board after you've dragged him back to the boat with the lifesling? I can't see myself paying a hundred and twenty bucks for seventy dollars worth of blocks and line just because they come in a cute little bag. I do want to have something dedicated and always stowed in the same spot so I can teach people how to use it and do it myself while panicked in the dark. I've got an adjustable backstay so there is a nice convenient attachment point well up the stay and just within reach. The reverse transom on my boat makes it quite conducive to dragging someone aboard that way. I'm trying to decide whether to make tackle to keep in a nearby locker to clip on the backstay above the adjuster legs or to just put a single block on a short whip with a snap shackle and run a line to a deck winch. Tackles can tangle and be a lot of work to extend when you are in a hurry. The single line could probably be unobtrusive enough that it could be stoppered off with light stuff and instantly ready for use. OTOH it might mean teaching someone how to tail and crank a winch at an awkward moment. With the tackle, I could go down the boarding ladder and pull and assist at the same time if I was the only one remaining aboard. With a sea running and the boat pitching, the stern is probably too dangerous; especially with the boarding ladder down. In that case, I probably would opt for the spinnaker halyard and a midships retrieval. I'd be using a winch in any event in that case. What's your vote for the stern retrieval, three part tackle or line coiled and ready to be led to a sheet winch? Assuming the MOB is not unconscious, I would go for a self-assisted midships recovery, using the vang if it is a rope-tackle type, but if a solid rod vang possibly clipping on the storm jib at the tack and using a halyard on the main sheet winch. This would form a rough sling. People in the water invariably panic and forget that the leg muscles are 3 times stronger on average than the arm muscles. It helps a lot if an ankle can be wedged behind a stanchion to supply the muscle power, with the crew (if available) lifting the arms/shoulders. I once recovered a guy who pitched over the foredeck during a tack whilst racing. We had completed the tack but our speed was much reduced, and the guy simply grabbed a stanchion (on the leeeward side) and I sheeted in and bore away slightly. The wind was quite strong and the boat almost stopped, the lee rail went under. I then let go everything and luffed up and the guy was back on board so quickly he claimed not to be wet, and resumed his place in the cockpit. OK, we were lucky. Everything went like clockwork, and the boat's hull did the lifting, but it goes to show that if this all happens during a tack, when the boat slows, then little or no extra assistance is required. Watch out for this happening many times during the Americas Cup Races, and see how quickly they recover the unfortunate crew member,(and hopefully go on to win the race!). Dennis. |
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote
Assuming the MOB is not unconscious, I would go for a self-assisted midships recovery, using the vang if it is a rope-tackle type, Things always look different when you consider the specifics. See my reply about vangs to Gary above. On my boat, I will probably be the only one strong enough and with enough experience with the gear and working on deck to be performing the recovery. The helmsman will probably be a freaked out kid responding to my frantic "Other way, NO, the other "other" way!" instructions. Would you want someone clipped to the boom under those conditions? For the kind of crew it sounds like you have, the vang is probably a good option. I would hope to be hove to at this point with just enough jib showing to hold the position. The thing I like most about the lifesling is that it secures the **** (Person In Scary Situation) to buy time until you can stabilize things. However, there are all sorts of things that could make dealing with something as important to control as the main and which is subject to big forces a bad idea. Being close to rocks would be one. I might use the vang but I sure want it to be plan B instead of plan A. Waking up this morning, the tackle permanently rigged on the back stay is looking less good. We have a great boarding ladder. In conditions where it is safe to do a stern recovery, we will probably be back to the **** so fast that they will still be able to scramble up. I wore an old baseball hat all last season. My small brain creates an unusual cone shaped taper to the top of my head so it blows off constantly. We went back for it more times than I can count last year and I still have it. I even picked it up alone several times. I'm thinking now training and SOP will be as follows: 1) Scream 2) Toss Horseshoe and MOB pole 3) Scream some more 4) Sail to beam reach position 5) Roll up jib to about 25 percent 6) Toss Lifesling 7) Round **** without casting off jib sheet. 8) If **** doesn't latch onto rescue line or sling, bring jib across and try again. If **** grabs line, head up to kill way and let boat settle into hove to attitude. 9) Pull **** to stern if stern recovery appears practical, otherwise to leeside midships. I realize now that a hat is a lot easier to retrieve. Even though it is very small and, being brown, nearly invisible in the water (great practice for the return part of the maneuver), a grinning kid grabs it with a boat hook and you are on your way. That boathook on a swimmer would be ripped right out of his hands. The fun starts with step 9). I wish I'd thought to make my spinnaker halyard long enough to reach the big sheet winches. Maybe we do just get the **** lashed alongside like a whale ready for the cutting, get the main down, and then use the vang. The world could use a 250 pound dummy sewed up in old clothes and foul weather gear to try this stuff out. -- Roger Long |
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Roger Long wrote:
"Dennis Pogson" wrote I wore an old baseball hat all last season. My small brain creates an unusual cone shaped taper to the top of my head so it blows off constantly. We went back for it more times than I can count last year and I still have it. I even picked it up alone several times. I realize now that a hat is a lot easier to retrieve. Even though it is very small and, being brown, nearly invisible in the water (great practice for the return part of the maneuver), a grinning kid grabs it with a boat hook and you are on your way. Musto make a super sailing/baseball cap with a short strap and a crocodile clip so strong it would pull the collar off your sailing jacket. Check it out if you don't mind advertising the Musto name! Dennis. |
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And miss all that good MOB practice!?
-- Roger Long "Dennis Pogson" wrote Musto makes a super sailing/baseball cap with a short strap and a crocodile clip so strong it would pull the collar off your sailing jacket. Check it out if you don't mind advertising the Musto name! |
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