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Free 1960 28' Triton Pearson - Link
"FREE 1960 28' Pearson Triton PROJECT We are looking for a home for a 1960 Pearson Triton, Hull #69. I'll be honest, this is a real project boat. It is free for who ever will come haul it out of our back yard and we will throw in the 5 boatstands it is sitting on. This boat is a COMPLETE REBUILD, mostly what you would be getting is a sound hull, but it's a big job to be sure." http://blog.oldragbaggersonline.com/ There are quite a few detail images of the Trition XXXXXXXXXXXXXXx http://www.atomvoyages.com/ "Atom's Virtual Homeport contains stories and scenes from over 20 years and two voyages around the world seeking adventure aboard our 28-foot Pearson Triton sailboat, Atom. " This is a link that may provide more info on the Trition The follwing links are sites that have refit/rebuild info on the Triton and are some of the best such sites on the net. http://www.triton381.com/forum/ http://www.triton381.com/ Mic'67 http://www.dasein668.com/ |
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why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that
would be some interest. Ed Reiss P33-2 36 Being there |
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On 6 Feb 2006 15:06:23 -0800, "
wrote: why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that would be some interest. Or on "rec.boats.building" Clapped out boats of that era are basically negative value, meaning that it costs more to fix them up than they are worth. The most valuable part is probably the keel which can be sold as scrap lead but then you have to pay to dump everything else. On the other hand it might be of some value to an armchair sailor who dreams of faraway places. If they actually owned something that vaguely resembled a boat, they could argue that they will someday take off in it once they have the time/money/opportunity, etc. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On 6 Feb 2006 15:06:23 -0800, " wrote: why don't you post this on the sailnet pearson group? I'm sure that would be some interest. Or on "rec.boats.building" Clapped out boats of that era are basically negative value, meaning that it costs more to fix them up than they are worth. The most valuable part is probably the keel which can be sold as scrap lead but then you have to pay to dump everything else. On the other hand it might be of some value to an armchair sailor who dreams of faraway places. If they actually owned something that vaguely resembled a boat, they could argue that they will someday take off in it once they have the time/money/opportunity, etc. Hey, not necessarily armchair. I bought an 64 Cal 20, which was in not much better shape, fixed her up, sailed her for a couple of years, then sold her for some nice change, but you're right, it was a loser financially. I didn't mind. It was a great experience fixing her and sailing her. It was worth the small cost in $$s. I'm not sure I want to totally repeat that with a larger boat, but I don't mind doin some fixin if there's a payoff. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 19:04:30 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Hey, not necessarily armchair. I bought an 64 Cal 20, which was in not much better shape, fixed her up, sailed her for a couple of years, then sold her for some nice change, but you're right, it was a loser financially. I didn't mind. It was a great experience fixing her and sailing her. It was worth the small cost in $$s. I'm not sure I want to totally repeat that with a larger boat, but I don't mind doin some fixin if there's a payoff. The Triton is a rather special boat and should anyone read the links provided from the owners and the fact that this boat was built by one of the top 6 sailboat designers, it is timeless. Tim, the owner of triton 381 is a marine surveyor that did a total rebuild and then bought a second one and did the samething called "the daysailor" which, when it was supposedly sold, went for about the same price as a new 27' pacific seacraft . The tritons were build by 2 different companies one east coast US, one west coast. Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. and then the Ariel and just about every Alberg designed boat, just look at the owners associations of these boats. Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? What would it cost to build a hull like that today, either as a one off or in a production capacity? "Heck is a place for people who don't believe in Gosh." Mic'67 -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Mic wrote:
The Triton is a rather special boat *Every* boat is a rather special boat. Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? ... What would it cost to build a hull like that today A mold, a lot of cloth, a lot of resin, and a willingness to get all icky while breathing unhealthy fumes. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. The Triton can be a very nice boat. I salute anybody who takes one from a bare hull & works it up to a working cruising vessel... a very worthwhile accomplishment. I'd also suggest that goin in, they be careful & coldly realistic in assessing how much the project is going to cost; and that they be cavalier about the price once it's finished. Same with any boat restoration... some would call what we're going thru a 'restoration' although the boat was in good sound working order when we bought it. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 08:46:46 -0500, DSK wrote:
Mic wrote: The Triton is a rather special boat *Every* boat is a rather special boat. Well considering that there is no other boat of that era that so many make the effort to preserve, some are more special than others. Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Those that have them and those that want them see value in them and not just as a piece of history. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. ... What would it cost to build a hull like that today A mold, a lot of cloth, a lot of resin, and a willingness to get all icky while breathing unhealthy fumes. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". The Triton can be a very nice boat. I salute anybody who takes one from a bare hull & works it up to a working cruising vessel... a very worthwhile accomplishment. I'd also suggest that goin in, they be careful & coldly realistic in assessing how much the project is going to cost; and that they be cavalier about the price once it's finished. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. When you look at a 20 year plus boat and what needs to be replace vs what ought to be replaced do these boats have the value of their price? Price is often a reflection of location with as much if not more than a 100% plus difference of those that are comparable. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Mic'67 |
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Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus
side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. Mic wrote: The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? It's certainly a good looking boat, but I like the looks of the Dufour Arpege and the Aphrodite 101 and most Doug Peterson designs. It's a subjective matter. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. Sure it is. An air force equipped with Sopwith Camels would not be as formidable as one equipped with F-16s, but it's better than nothing. And I happen to know a guy who drives to work most days in a Model T... original engine too. I think it helps him get motivated to actually go to work at all. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. Now there, I disagree. Restoring a boat is usually a losing proposition in time & cost. It's a very impractical thing to to do, when there are boats already in sailable condition on the market for less money. But clearly, they're not as attractive to the restorer. ... If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? There are a couple of worthwhile boats of the same era, and usually more than one Triton on the market. If that's the course you're determined to go, then the practical thing is to meet somebody who's already done it, sail with them, inspect their boat carefully while they tell you what they did... maybe bum a few tools from them... then shop around as carefully as possible as well as hunting thru boatyard back-lots. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Yep. If there was a market, somebody would probably be making Tritons. .... Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". Sturgeon's Law: "At least 90% of everything is crap." Just because it is old-fashioned, doesn't make it automatically more seaworthy. Seakindly, yes, that's a different thing. Seaworthiness is an illusive thing to define, and it tends to mean different things to different people. Frankly I tend to regard offshore racers as the most seaworthy, since they tend to sail for fun in worst conditions than most cruisers venture out in. And I have yet to see a cruising vessel equipped to ORC Cat 0. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. You should get out more, then. Every single one-design commands slavish devotion in it's owners. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. Not probably, definitely. Although this is a recent happening, the NMMA says that the total value of used boats sold is greater than new, I believe this happened in 2004 and has been true since. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. That's very true. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? I think so, but then I'm a cynic. I've also only bought one boat new in my life, and felt that it wasn't worth the price either. Enought things wrong with it to get PO'd at, and no moron previous owner to blame. ... Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? Agreed 110%. And well said. I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Don't know. From what I read of the web site you gave link to, it was largely economic as they found so much needed replacing on the "free" Triton and less on the Cape Dory. It may also be a matter of time, that they saw themselves getting out on the water much sooner in the Cape Dory. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:57:51 -0500, DSK wrote:
Tritons are cramped & slow & don't handle well. On the plus side, they're very seakindly and they have the definitive "look" evocative of their era. Mic wrote: The plus side outweighs the other aspects from a crusing point of view as decided by the many budget cruisers that choose them. Not really... if you look at the numbers, you'll find Hunters & Catalinas in the same price bracket are more popular. Yep.... and why are they more popular? They are certainly not that many around from even at the end of the Triton era, yet even in the used market they sell realtively fast. One thing about the catalina you can get catalina parts for them and many if not all of the system drawings, possibly one reason for their popularity and of course their original selling price. From my research most of the GRP pre 1970 are bristols, tartans, tritons, cals for a particular reason. ....Of all the sailboats of that particular era the Triton is the top of the list for being refurb. Not surprising. There were a lot (comparatively) of them built & sold, so they're plentiful on the market. Possibly so, but what other boat of today is comparable? Comparable in what way? Well overbuilt for one with little or no oil canning, full keel for that size of boat, provisions for an OB in a well It's certainly a good looking boat, but I like the looks of the Dufour Arpege and the Aphrodite 101 and most Doug Peterson designs. It's a subjective matter. ... Who comes close to building a similar boat today like the Triton? Who comes close to building a fighter plane like the Sopwith Camel? Or a car like the Model T? Thats not really a fair comparison per say when it come to practicality or useage. Sure it is. An air force equipped with Sopwith Camels would not be as formidable as one equipped with F-16s, but it's better than nothing. And I happen to know a guy who drives to work most days in a Model T... original engine too. I think it helps him get motivated to actually go to work at all. It's easy to get carried away with romantic idealization. And far be it from me to say it's a bad thing. But don't mistake other people romantic fantasies for reality, it will bite you where it hurts. The practical reality, paticularly the time and cost of restoration of any boat is usually the determining factor. Now there, I disagree. Restoring a boat is usually a losing proposition in time & cost. It's a very impractical thing to to do, when there are boats already in sailable condition on the market for less money. Humm... that can be said of various sports too..... like seeing a game at an arena vs FTA TV. Those who decide to restore a boat can be of similar value to actually sailing it, certainly not for all. The true currency of life is time and the value is the enjoyment of the time spent. If restoring a boat is as you say it is why do so many do it? Although there are more that dont than do. Look at Tim Lackey the surveyor and those group of Trition and Ariel owners ++. But clearly, they're not as attractive to the restorer. ... If you see the value in the design and seek to enjoy such, in a practical manner what are the current options to a boat like this? There are a couple of worthwhile boats of the same era, and usually more than one Triton on the market. If that's the course you're determined to go, then the practical thing is to meet somebody who's already done it, sail with them, inspect their boat carefully while they tell you what they did... maybe bum a few tools from them... then shop around as carefully as possible as well as hunting thru boatyard back-lots. I guess my point is that the Triton in particular is more worthy of restoration than any other of that era in my opinion and seemingly many others. It's amazing how many people sieze on the first boat that comes along, and convince themselves that it's by far the best alternative, and of course they have no idea what the alternatives are or would cost so it's an easy sell. Well yes and no for the most part many makes and brands of boats are specific to a region or particular boat centers of about less than 12 in the US and less than about 6 in Canada. For instance for a Cal 27 to become available in this region would be rare and exceptional. The alternative would be a C & C, Grampian, CS, S2. To a large degree every boat is a compromise. I think that those that buy used dont necessary end up with the make they were looking for to begin with. The cost of buying a boat from a different region in terms of cost, in many instances just doesnt make sense economically. Modern boats are faster, better handling, more comfortable... many of them are better built, some of them are more seaworthy no matter how you define the term. If you want to glorify the good old days, above all other considerations, you end up sailing a square rigger. Given the cost of reproducing a Trition today and the likely lack of mass market for such it reason why there is no comparable. Yep. If there was a market, somebody would probably be making Tritons. Seems the market calls for the catalinas and hunters which seems to make boats these days almost on a per order basis, as in "just in time production" which seems to make sense. .... Sure there are faster, better handling and more creature comforts but as you said only "some of them are more seaworthy". Sturgeon's Law: "At least 90% of everything is crap." Just because it is old-fashioned, doesn't make it automatically more seaworthy. Seakindly, yes, that's a different thing. Maybe so but the tartans, bristols, tritons and contessa's given the maintance are time proven seaworthy. Seaworthiness is an illusive thing to define, and it tends to mean different things to different people. Frankly I tend to regard offshore racers as the most seaworthy, since they tend to sail for fun in worst conditions than most cruisers venture out in. And I have yet to see a cruising vessel equipped to ORC Cat 0. From the Trition owners association there is an undoubted passion in maintaining that design probably more than any other than I have seen or know of. You should get out more, then. Every single one-design commands slavish devotion in it's owners. Probably the largest sailboat market is in used boats by far and of a particular size, price and age. Not probably, definitely. Although this is a recent happening, the NMMA says that the total value of used boats sold is greater than new, I believe this happened in 2004 and has been true since. It isnt easy to determine the value of an older used boat other than what the average of the market says and in this instance every boat is special. That's very true. When you figure all of the above the true market value ought to be less than what it is? I think so, but then I'm a cynic. I've also only bought one boat new in my life, and felt that it wasn't worth the price either. Enought things wrong with it to get PO'd at, and no moron previous owner to blame. ... Thats not to say there isnt many preceived reasonable points of view based subjectively or objectively. But any foreray into pleasure sailing can be viewed as "romantic" and or challenging and the very reasons why people do it. And if not, what could the possible reasons be? Agreed 110%. And well said. I think it is interesting that those who are offering the free triton choose a cape dory, at a cost and expense, that needs work instead. How much of that was economic based vs other considerations? Don't know. From what I read of the web site you gave link to, it was largely economic as they found so much needed replacing on the "free" Triton and less on the Cape Dory. It may also be a matter of time, that they saw themselves getting out on the water much sooner in the Cape Dory. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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