On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:52:50 -0500, rhys wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

OK. You I know, so it's fine to drop a line...G

I tried, but it eventually bounced.....

To: rhys
Subject: Msg to rhys
From: Ryk
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:09 -0500
Cc:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:52:50 -0500, in rec.boats.cruising you wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

OK. You I know, so it's fine to drop a line...G

Oh, is nospam.com an actual address?

Wow. Access to an A4 on a Newport 27 would be a bitch G.

It's not as bad as it could be. There's enough room to move around a
little under the cockpit, and the locker hatches are bigger than on my
Hughes 35. It's all relative I guess...

the N27 I sailed on for five years: The former owner despaired of
selling his. He eventually settled, after several months of brokerage
and private lukewarm interest, for just $12,000 (he wanted $18,000).

I can see why he took so long to sell. Jamie picked his up on ebay for
a song and would be happy to get $5K for it. It's not pristine, but a
great bargain opportunity for another young sailor with more time than
money.

Anyway, what I'm saying is the market is very soft for under 30
footers with Atomic 4s, but it's mainly just that there's so many
1970-1985 "classic plastics" out there whose orginal owners are
getting up in years, and either moving up or getting out of sailing.
The market's flooded with little boats. You can get a race-ready Shark
for four grand.

Don't I know it. Fortunately he got the boat by taking advantage of
that soft market

So I would suggest the following: if he likes the boat and it will
suit him in the future, maybe he could "lend-lease" it to his club as
an " learn to sail" boat, with a three-year-term. His club keeps it
clean, keeps it maintained and hauls, launches and stores it. In
return, he buys any major failed components not directly attributable
to misuse, and provides all maintainence logs, spares, etc.

We've tried that, but the club already has a bunch of Sharks in the
program and some members are starting to complain about club boats
eating up limited mooring space -- slips are a scarce resource at KYC.

Sea Scouts/Cadets might jump at that, as might a club offering learn
to sail for adults or for disadvantaged kids. One such organization is
our club's Broad Reach Foundation. You can read about them he
www.thenyc.com/newsletter/05July/05July.pdf

or go to http://www.sailbroadreach.org/home.html for more info.

They are usually *given* old boats, but I bet they'd be flexible on
that point...

That's one of my next shots, is the possibility of giving it away for
a decent sized tax receipt.

Cheers,

Ryk

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:59:21 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


Oh, is nospam.com an actual address?

Oops, no. I thought you had my actual e-mail. I'll send it
backchannel.


I can see why he took so long to sell. Jamie picked his up on ebay for
a song and would be happy to get $5K for it. It's not pristine, but a
great bargain opportunity for another young sailor with more time than
money.

Exactly. It's fine as a weekender/coastal/lake boat, and won't
embarrass the skipper in club racing.



Don't I know it. Fortunately he got the boat by taking advantage of
that soft market

It's the best shot at getting young people into sailing. It's not good
that at 44 I am nearly fifteen years younger than our "median" age at
my club...and we have a very active junior sail and racing program
range.

So I would suggest the following: if he likes the boat and it will
suit him in the future, maybe he could "lend-lease" it to his club as
an " learn to sail" boat, with a three-year-term. His club keeps it
clean, keeps it maintained and hauls, launches and stores it. In
return, he buys any major failed components not directly attributable
to misuse, and provides all maintainence logs, spares, etc.

We've tried that, but the club already has a bunch of Sharks in the
program and some members are starting to complain about club boats
eating up limited mooring space -- slips are a scarce resource at KYC.

Too bad. If he got it for a song, maybe he could sell it for half a
song, just to keep it in worthy hands.

Sea Scouts/Cadets might jump at that, as might a club offering learn
to sail for adults or for disadvantaged kids. One such organization is
our club's Broad Reach Foundation. You can read about them he
www.thenyc.com/newsletter/05July/05July.pdf

or go to http://www.sailbroadreach.org/home.html for more info.

They are usually *given* old boats, but I bet they'd be flexible on
that point...

That's one of my next shots, is the possibility of giving it away for
a decent sized tax receipt.

Not a bad idea at all. See my e-mail to you with some thoughts. I buy
elaborate PCs for my business on a regular cycle whether I need to or
not (although I usually do) primarily for the capital cost
allowance/tax writedown aspects as much as for the "cool gear" factor.

R.