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I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

You mentioned racing on a Newport 27 out of Toronto. Do you know
anybody who might be looking for a cheap Newport 27 to fix up and go
racing against you? My son owns one in Kingston and won't get to sail
it for the next 3 years because of his coop program, so it's probably
time to sell. It's fundamentally sound with a good A4 and blown out
sails.

Ryk

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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

OK. You I know, so it's fine to drop a line...G

You mentioned racing on a Newport 27 out of Toronto. Do you know
anybody who might be looking for a cheap Newport 27 to fix up and go
racing against you?

The owner sold his last year to a couple in the club next door and
bought a CS 30, of which we have at least a six-boat fleet for racing.
I didn't race in '05, concentrating on cruising. I may race in
'06...haven't decided yet.

My son owns one in Kingston and won't get to sail
it for the next 3 years because of his coop program, so it's probably
time to sell. It's fundamentally sound with a good A4 and blown out
sails.

Wow. Access to an A4 on a Newport 27 would be a bitch G.

the N27 I sailed on for five years: The former owner despaired of
selling his. He eventually settled, after several months of brokerage
and private lukewarm interest, for just $12,000 (he wanted $18,000).
His had some little two-stroke gas engine...not an A4...although it
pushed the boat well enough. The condition wasn't bad, particularly on
the interior, as the boat hadn't been cruised or even slept on...just
raced. So going to a well-earned "semi-retirement" as a fast
daysailer/overnighter for a couple starting in cruising made (and
makes) sense.

Anyway, what I'm saying is the market is very soft for under 30
footers with Atomic 4s, but it's mainly just that there's so many
1970-1985 "classic plastics" out there whose orginal owners are
getting up in years, and either moving up or getting out of sailing.
The market's flooded with little boats. You can get a race-ready Shark
for four grand.

So I would suggest the following: if he likes the boat and it will
suit him in the future, maybe he could "lend-lease" it to his club as
an " learn to sail" boat, with a three-year-term. His club keeps it
clean, keeps it maintained and hauls, launches and stores it. In
return, he buys any major failed components not directly attributable
to misuse, and provides all maintainence logs, spares, etc.

He might even get a tax write-off out of the deal.

Sea Scouts/Cadets might jump at that, as might a club offering learn
to sail for adults or for disadvantaged kids. One such organization is
our club's Broad Reach Foundation. You can read about them he
www.thenyc.com/newsletter/05July/05July.pdf

or go to http://www.sailbroadreach.org/home.html for more info.

They are usually *given* old boats, but I bet they'd be flexible on
that point...

Hope these suggestions help,
R.

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"rhys" wrote in message
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:
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My son owns one in Kingston and won't get to sail
it for the next 3 years because of his coop program, so it's probably
time to sell. It's fundamentally sound with a good A4 and blown out
sails.

Wow. Access to an A4 on a Newport 27 would be a bitch G.


Not sure about the particular Newport 27 you sailed, but I used to own a
1984 and it had very good engine access. There was a hatch in the cockpit
sole, as well as complete access from the front (after removing the
companionway steps) and port side (through the very large lazarette).

--Alan Gomes

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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:04:51 -0800, "Alan Gomes" wrote:

Not sure about the particular Newport 27 you sailed, but I used to own a
1984 and it had very good engine access. There was a hatch in the cockpit
sole, as well as complete access from the front (after removing the
companionway steps) and port side (through the very large lazarette).

A hatch in the cockpit sole would make all the difference. Having
worked extensively on Atomic 4s, you really want to get at 'em from
above.

The N27 I raced as crew on didn't have an A4 (some kind of two-stroke,
I think, with a single-lever throttle/gearshifter) and certainly
didn't have a cockpit hatch.

Decent boat, though, and it was an '84 as well, if I recall correctly.
Predictably, the owner had replaced a two by three foot chunk of deck
due to delamination/core rot, but he did a reasonably good job of
recycling the top skin.

As I understand it, the Newport 27 is a C&C 27 hull with a different
deck, and it weighed 5,500 lbs. compared to the C&C 27's 7,500 lbs.
They certainly carried a different PHRF-LO rating and the Newport was
slapped around trying to work to weather in any kind of wave action,
because she couldn't "punch" due to light-ish weight. She *would* surf
readily, however, in a broach reach or dead downwind, and going 10 or
11 knots in a smallish keelboat was fun....you learn to anticipate and
enjoy the "ready to surf" sound.

By contrast, I've surfed...briefly...only twice on my 33', 10,000 lb.
keelboat, and it took a hatful of wind to do even that.

R.

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"rhys" wrote in message
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:04:51 -0800, "Alan Gomes" wrote:

Not sure about the particular Newport 27 you sailed, but I used to own a
1984 and it had very good engine access. There was a hatch in the cockpit
sole, as well as complete access from the front (after removing the
companionway steps) and port side (through the very large lazarette).

A hatch in the cockpit sole would make all the difference. Having
worked extensively on Atomic 4s, you really want to get at 'em from
above.

The N27 I raced as crew on didn't have an A4 (some kind of two-stroke,
I think, with a single-lever throttle/gearshifter) and certainly
didn't have a cockpit hatch.

Decent boat, though, and it was an '84 as well, if I recall correctly.
Predictably, the owner had replaced a two by three foot chunk of deck
due to delamination/core rot, but he did a reasonably good job of
recycling the top skin.

As I understand it, the Newport 27 is a C&C 27 hull with a different
deck, and it weighed 5,500 lbs. compared to the C&C 27's 7,500 lbs.
They certainly carried a different PHRF-LO rating and the Newport was
slapped around trying to work to weather in any kind of wave action,
because she couldn't "punch" due to light-ish weight. She *would* surf
readily, however, in a broach reach or dead downwind, and going 10 or
11 knots in a smallish keelboat was fun....you learn to anticipate and
enjoy the "ready to surf" sound.

By contrast, I've surfed...briefly...only twice on my 33', 10,000 lb.
keelboat, and it took a hatful of wind to do even that.

R.

Actually, I think the boat weighs closer to 6300 lbs. Mine had a Universal
18 diesel and, as I mentioned, I had no complaints about access.

Yes, they really did sail well. Mine was in Long Beach and I had numerous
trips back from Catalina where the boat easily surfed most of the way home.
Never got her up to 10 or 11 knots, though! It's a nicely balanced boat with
good sailing characteristics. Capital Yachts only did a so-so job on these
boats in terms of built quality, but it was your proverbial "built to a
price" production boat. Mine held together OK and was in solid shape when I
sold her.

I noticed that my old one is currently for sale:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...24&slim=quick&. I
see they list the displacement as 6,000#, but I think that's a bit low
because that's what the documentation states is for the outboard model.

Take care,
Alan Gomes

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 19:18:32 -0800, "Alan Gomes" wrote:


Actually, I think the boat weighs closer to 6300 lbs. Mine had a Universal
18 diesel and, as I mentioned, I had no complaints about access.

All I know is what the owner claimed, and how I saw it perform. The
qualities that made it surf (with crew deployed properly) were related
to its light weight relative to the C&C 27s it raced against, which
would surf, but not as readily.

And yet the same hulls with different ballasts would react differently
heading into a sea. The C&C 27s would plow through, and the N27 would
be practically *stopped*. You could tell what type of conditions would
be brutal, although in a flatter, less leftover slop kind of sea and
with a full hoist, the boat would heel over and take off in the manner
pretty familiar to C&C owners.

But yes, a nice inshore/coastal boat for one or two, or a club racer
for five or so.

R.

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On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:27:30 -0500, rhys wrote:

And yet the same hulls with different ballasts would react differently
heading into a sea. The C&C 27s would plow through, and the N27 would
be practically *stopped*.

======================

Proper helm technique can make a big difference getting through waves.

Msg to rhys
 

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:28:26 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:27:30 -0500, rhys wrote:

And yet the same hulls with different ballasts would react differently
heading into a sea. The C&C 27s would plow through, and the N27 would
be practically *stopped*.

======================

Proper helm technique can make a big difference getting through waves.

True. But I wasn't the helmsman G.

R.

Msg to rhys
 

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:52:50 -0500, rhys wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

OK. You I know, so it's fine to drop a line...G

I tried, but it eventually bounced.....

To: rhys
Subject: Msg to rhys
From: Ryk
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:28:09 -0500
Cc:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 16:52:50 -0500, in rec.boats.cruising you wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 09:11:36 -0500, Ryk
wrote:


I'd have emailed except for the nospam address.

OK. You I know, so it's fine to drop a line...G

Oh, is nospam.com an actual address?

Wow. Access to an A4 on a Newport 27 would be a bitch G.

It's not as bad as it could be. There's enough room to move around a
little under the cockpit, and the locker hatches are bigger than on my
Hughes 35. It's all relative I guess...

the N27 I sailed on for five years: The former owner despaired of
selling his. He eventually settled, after several months of brokerage
and private lukewarm interest, for just $12,000 (he wanted $18,000).

I can see why he took so long to sell. Jamie picked his up on ebay for
a song and would be happy to get $5K for it. It's not pristine, but a
great bargain opportunity for another young sailor with more time than
money.

Anyway, what I'm saying is the market is very soft for under 30
footers with Atomic 4s, but it's mainly just that there's so many
1970-1985 "classic plastics" out there whose orginal owners are
getting up in years, and either moving up or getting out of sailing.
The market's flooded with little boats. You can get a race-ready Shark
for four grand.

Don't I know it. Fortunately he got the boat by taking advantage of
that soft market

So I would suggest the following: if he likes the boat and it will
suit him in the future, maybe he could "lend-lease" it to his club as
an " learn to sail" boat, with a three-year-term. His club keeps it
clean, keeps it maintained and hauls, launches and stores it. In
return, he buys any major failed components not directly attributable
to misuse, and provides all maintainence logs, spares, etc.

We've tried that, but the club already has a bunch of Sharks in the
program and some members are starting to complain about club boats
eating up limited mooring space -- slips are a scarce resource at KYC.

Sea Scouts/Cadets might jump at that, as might a club offering learn
to sail for adults or for disadvantaged kids. One such organization is
our club's Broad Reach Foundation. You can read about them he
www.thenyc.com/newsletter/05July/05July.pdf

or go to http://www.sailbroadreach.org/home.html for more info.

They are usually *given* old boats, but I bet they'd be flexible on
that point...

That's one of my next shots, is the possibility of giving it away for
a decent sized tax receipt.

Cheers,

Ryk

Msg to rhys
 

On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:36:57 -0500, rhys wrote:

A hatch in the cockpit sole would make all the difference. Having
worked extensively on Atomic 4s, you really want to get at 'em from
above.

The N27 I raced as crew on didn't have an A4 (some kind of two-stroke,
I think, with a single-lever throttle/gearshifter) and certainly
didn't have a cockpit hatch.

No hatch in this one, but it's a 77

As I understand it, the Newport 27 is a C&C 27 hull with a different
deck, and it weighed 5,500 lbs. compared to the C&C 27's 7,500 lbs.
They certainly carried a different PHRF-LO rating

I don't think the weight difference is that big, and last time I
looked the Newport was carrying the same base rating as the C&C 27
Mark I at 198, but a lot of Mark I's take a big penalty for oversize
pole and chute.

and the Newport was
slapped around trying to work to weather in any kind of wave action,
because she couldn't "punch" due to light-ish weight. She *would* surf
readily, however, in a broach reach or dead downwind, and going 10 or
11 knots in a smallish keelboat was fun....you learn to anticipate and
enjoy the "ready to surf" sound.

You got that right!

By contrast, I've surfed...briefly...only twice on my 33', 10,000 lb.
keelboat, and it took a hatful of wind to do even that.

That's a Toronto problem. You would do a lot more surfing at the
Kingston end of the lake where we get the wind and 150 miles of fetch
to build good waves.

Ryk