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Catalina 470 vs. Tayana Vancouver 460
Gary wrote: Why don't you contact John Neal at Mahina Expeditions? He apparently does consulting. With respect to his list, I'm not sure what criteria he used but my boat is on it and I would have to think twice before taking it offshore because of the size of my pilothouse windows. Thanks Gary. I've just talked to John Neal and he said that he wouldn't recommend either a Tayana Vancouver 460 or Catalina 470 for offshore cruising. He said that Tayana's quality varies a lot from boat to boat. I'll give more details later after getting an email from him. |
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Mr. Neil must have some 'very strange biases' as probably more Tayanas
have successfully circumnavigated than probably from any other semi-custom manufacturer ('cept Valiant). I have a Tayana, can attest that the metalurgy of the older boats is not always up to par; but, the designs and FRG construction is quite good for that 'era' of hand-laid construction. Tayanas are very 'honest' boats; certainly not the 'best' but are indeed well made overall. In that respect they certainly give the best 'value'. Preferentially for me the 460 looks more like a pregnant football than a proper seagoing boat .... WINDAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would take an extension ladder to ever get back on board if you ever fell overboard!!!! To me this is a design targeted for 'luxury' than 'sailing'. Perhaps you should investigate the Robert Perry , Robb Ladd designs and the other Harris designs also offered by Tayana. Geeze whats wrong with the 42, the 48, the 48DS or the 52 .... these are 'proven' world cruisers. http://www.tayanayachts.com.tw Dont simply be led by 'accomodations' and 'floor plan' to be the ruling criteria for an ocean going boat .... unless your chief objective is 'dockside entertaining' and status symbolism. In article t, wrote: t |
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Rich Hampel wrote: Mr. Neil must have some 'very strange biases' as probably more Tayanas have successfully circumnavigated than probably from any other semi-custom manufacturer ('cept Valiant). I have a Tayana, can attest that the metalurgy of the older boats is not always up to par; but, the designs and FRG construction is quite good for that 'era' of hand-laid construction. Tayanas are very 'honest' boats; certainly not the 'best' but are indeed well made overall. In that respect they certainly give the best 'value'. Preferentially for me the 460 looks more like a pregnant football than a proper seagoing boat .... WINDAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would take an extension ladder to ever get back on board if you ever fell overboard!!!! To me this is a design targeted for 'luxury' than 'sailing'. Perhaps you should investigate the Robert Perry , Robb Ladd designs and the other Harris designs also offered by Tayana. Geeze whats wrong with the 42, the 48, the 48DS or the 52 .... these are 'proven' world cruisers. http://www.tayanayachts.com.tw Dont simply be led by 'accomodations' and 'floor plan' to be the ruling criteria for an ocean going boat .... unless your chief objective is 'dockside entertaining' and status symbolism. Are you suggesting that the 460 is unsafe or just doesn't sail well ? If it's the latter then it doesn't mean much to me. I would rather have 3 staterooms plus a salon and a pilothouse than be able to go a few knots faster. |
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So this is about 'luxury' and not about 'boats'. Maybe you should
simply buy some ocean side property or a converted barge with a house built on the deck. If you want luxury, charter a boat that already has a professional/paid crew/servants. I erroneously took your request for info to be serious request about 'boats', not luxury. In article . net, wrote: Rich Hampel wrote: Mr. Neil must have some 'very strange biases' as probably more Tayanas have successfully circumnavigated than probably from any other semi-custom manufacturer ('cept Valiant). I have a Tayana, can attest that the metalurgy of the older boats is not always up to par; but, the designs and FRG construction is quite good for that 'era' of hand-laid construction. Tayanas are very 'honest' boats; certainly not the 'best' but are indeed well made overall. In that respect they certainly give the best 'value'. Preferentially for me the 460 looks more like a pregnant football than a proper seagoing boat .... WINDAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would take an extension ladder to ever get back on board if you ever fell overboard!!!! To me this is a design targeted for 'luxury' than 'sailing'. Perhaps you should investigate the Robert Perry , Robb Ladd designs and the other Harris designs also offered by Tayana. Geeze whats wrong with the 42, the 48, the 48DS or the 52 .... these are 'proven' world cruisers. http://www.tayanayachts.com.tw Dont simply be led by 'accomodations' and 'floor plan' to be the ruling criteria for an ocean going boat .... unless your chief objective is 'dockside entertaining' and status symbolism. Are you suggesting that the 460 is unsafe or just doesn't sail well ? If it's the latter then it doesn't mean much to me. I would rather have 3 staterooms plus a salon and a pilothouse than be able to go a few knots faster. |
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Rich Hampel wrote: So this is about 'luxury' and not about 'boats'. Maybe you should simply buy some ocean side property or a converted barge with a house built on the deck. If you want luxury, charter a boat that already has a professional/paid crew/ servants. I erroneously took your request for info to be serious request about 'boats', not luxury. It's about cruising and not about racing. If I just wanted a fast boat and didn't care about comfort I would get a trimaran and post to rec.boats.racing. There are other people here who either have a pilothouse boat or would like to get one and I don't see anything wrong with them. Many people here probably have boats that don't go as fast as the Vancouver 460 (8 knots in 16 knots wind). Have you ever sailed this boat ? If not then what do you know about it that enables you to say these things ? |
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