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Capt. JG December 30th 05 02:39 AM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:50:18 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote:

The question was:
WILL THIS MODEL BOAT MAKE THE CROSSING?


==========================================

And the answer of course is definitely maybe. At best it will be a
cold wet ride in a small boat. The wrong small boat in my opinion,
but people have done it in less and lived to tell about it. A lot of
people who ask questions like this have never been offshore in a small
boat and have rose colored glasses on regarding the whole experience.


It might be a nice warm, dry ride... depends on the conditions.

It's my opinion, for what ever that is worth, that they should hear
the downside as well. Crossing oceans in a 33 ft boat should not be
taken lightly, especially in a boat that is not paticularly well
suited for the job. The C&C 33 for all of its fine qualities was not
designed and built as a passagemaker, and its designers would be the
first to tell you that if asked.


Of course they should, but I believe the C&C33, all things being equal,
would be fine.

It wasn't designed for this sort of trip, but it is well within its
capabilities if the situation is handled properly. I would not say the same
thing for other boats of that size. Sure, they could make it also, but the
effort to get them to that spot would be formidible.



Wayne.B December 30th 05 02:51 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:07:00 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote:
Q. Can I drive from Maine to California in my 1968 Volkswagen Beetle?

A. (Wayne B) It would be torture "if" you survived. You would be better off
driving a Cadillac. It's bigger and rides smoother. Nobody who has ever driven a
Volkswagen Bug any distance would attempt what you propose. What if it got a
flat tire? I'm sure by the sound of your post that you have never heard of
Cadillac, so I thought I'd better educate you.

LOL

Commodore Joe Redcloud

==================================

Commodore Joe, I think you should sign on for the voyage with him.

Send me a postcard when you arrive and let me know how the trip went.

Meanwhile, a "commodore" story. One of the nicest boats that I have
ever sailed on was a custom Baltic 55. I was aboard for the
Newport-Bermuda Race in 1988. The boat had a young english guy as the
owner's sailing captain who was full of pithy sayings. One of his
favorites was when he'd notice someone standing in the companionway
hatch.

He'd say: "Only two kinds of people stand in the companionway,
commodores and arse holes".

One of his buddys would then chime in and say: "Sure doesn't look like
a commodore".

You however have now proven that it doesn't have to be either/or.


Wayne.B December 30th 05 03:35 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud©
wrote:

I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been
confirmed.


================

Aye commodore, whatever you say.


[email protected] December 30th 05 05:26 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to
spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I
did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail,
Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the
32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying
around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would
gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C
33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems
have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another
question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33
were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what
systems will require the most attention.
Rob Minton


[email protected] December 30th 05 05:47 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to
spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I
did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail,
Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the
32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying
around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would
gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C
33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems
have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another
question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33
were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what
systems will require the most attention.
Rob Minton


Jack Dale December 30th 05 06:27 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
On 30 Dec 2005 09:47:36 -0800, wrote:

Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to
spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I
did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail,
Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the
32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying
around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would
gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C
33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems
have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another
question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33
were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what
systems will require the most attention.
Rob Minton



I have sailed several C&C's, but not the 33. ( I have been on one at
the dock.) In all of them, I found the windows leaked badly. This is
the result of putting flat Lexan / plastic on a compound curve. The
windows were not bolted into place, but were held in with an adhesive.
A boarding sea could blow out the windows.


The size would concern me. I did a delivery from Hawaii to BC in an
Elite 37. I found that this was about the minimum size in that style
of boat (fin keel, racing cruiser). On the other hand I met a guy who
sailied a Bayfield 29 across the Atlantic. He shipped it back.

Jack

_________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
_________________________________________

Capt. JG December 30th 05 06:52 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
Baltic 55... that's a nice boat! Perhaps you can get the original poster to
switch. :-)

FYI, just ignore Commode Joe. He can't have a civilized conversation lasting
more than two posts.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:07:00 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote:
Q. Can I drive from Maine to California in my 1968 Volkswagen Beetle?

A. (Wayne B) It would be torture "if" you survived. You would be better
off
driving a Cadillac. It's bigger and rides smoother. Nobody who has ever
driven a
Volkswagen Bug any distance would attempt what you propose. What if it got
a
flat tire? I'm sure by the sound of your post that you have never heard of
Cadillac, so I thought I'd better educate you.

LOL

Commodore Joe Redcloud

==================================

Commodore Joe, I think you should sign on for the voyage with him.

Send me a postcard when you arrive and let me know how the trip went.

Meanwhile, a "commodore" story. One of the nicest boats that I have
ever sailed on was a custom Baltic 55. I was aboard for the
Newport-Bermuda Race in 1988. The boat had a young english guy as the
owner's sailing captain who was full of pithy sayings. One of his
favorites was when he'd notice someone standing in the companionway
hatch.

He'd say: "Only two kinds of people stand in the companionway,
commodores and arse holes".

One of his buddys would then chime in and say: "Sure doesn't look like
a commodore".

You however have now proven that it doesn't have to be either/or.




Capt. JG December 30th 05 06:54 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
wrote in message
oups.com...
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to
spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I
did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail,
Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the
32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying
around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would
gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C
33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems
have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another
question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33
were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what
systems will require the most attention.
Rob Minton


Rob.. I thought, when I saw your post, that you had been and returned. :-)

Actually, I believe you can find most of these answers on the website
someone posted... certainly you can get more qualified people to answer...
people who are more familiar, longer term, with the C&Cs.




Don White December 30th 05 09:38 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud©
wrote:


I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been
confirmed.


================

Aye commodore, whatever you say.



Take a pill, will ya?


Commodore Joe Redcloud©


You'll have to tread lightly here commodore.
Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and
announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I
would wager.

Capt. JG December 30th 05 11:26 PM

Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
 
"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:38:46 GMT, Don White
wrote:

Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud©
wrote:


I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been
confirmed.

================

Aye commodore, whatever you say.


Take a pill, will ya?


Commodore Joe Redcloud©


You'll have to tread lightly here commodore.
Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and
announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I
would wager.


Oh, my! I didn't realize the situation was so serious! He should get on
famously
with Jon Ganz, who has made a career out of sending complaints to ISP's of
anyone who points out that he is a totally humorless putz.


And, you're a liar and a very angry person. What's your point?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com





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