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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
Looking for opinions on whether or not one thinks that a C&C 33 is
capable of handling big oceans. The C&C has a fin keel drawing 5.5' with a free standing spade rudder. Should making a transatlantic passage even be considered? Thanks for any advice and/or opinion. Rob |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
In article .com,
wrote: Looking for opinions on whether or not one thinks that a C&C 33 is capable of handling big oceans. The C&C has a fin keel drawing 5.5' with a free standing spade rudder. Should making a transatlantic passage even be considered? Thanks for any advice and/or opinion. Rob I would say, that given the boat is seaworthy (including possibly some upgrades, has the proper equipment, and the skipper/crew is up for it, then a qualified yes. C&Cs, depending on the boat, year, condition, are great boats. A lot of qualifications, but that's typical for all boats. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
A nicely balanced reply.... I mostly agree, although I think it wouldn't
take that much to fit her for a crossing, given all else is right. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "rhys" wrote in message ... On 28 Dec 2005 11:13:00 -0800, wrote: Looking for opinions on whether or not one thinks that a C&C 33 is capable of handling big oceans. The C&C has a fin keel drawing 5.5' with a free standing spade rudder. Should making a transatlantic passage even be considered? Thanks for any advice and/or opinion. This is very, very dependent on condition of the boat and rigging and condition of the crew. C&C 33s are old coastal boats frequently run hard as club racers. If in freshwater, they probably have original rigging, which you'd want to switch up to 1/4" or better, 5/16th for open ocean work. You'd also want to replace original sheaves and running rigging. Offshore is no place to untangle a halyard. The coach-house is borderline in my opinion in strength for heavy weather, and the fixed plexiglass portlights will NOT take a boarding sea in a blow. Similarly, the bunks are not commonly rigged for sea, nor is the galley ideal. Being more racer than cruiser, the C&C 33 would sail close-hauled well, but she's tender and the motion would be tough on the crew. I would also question the suitability of the compainway hatch (usually plexi or plywood drop boards, the size of the scuppers, the smallish main for downwind work and the boat's parsimonious cargo space and tankage. Lastly, a lot of them still have Atomic 4s, and you simply can't carry enough gas on a C&C 33 (safely, at least) to run the alternator to keep your batteries charged on a three week or worse crossing. Even with a smaller-sipping diesel, the tankage (usually 20 gallons or less) will not suffice. My point of view is from owning a very similar (but even narrower) C&C-designed Viking 33 with a near identical sail plan and layout. I have always maintained that while my boat is strong enough to survive a blow, it might kill the crew G. I would take my boat to Newfoundland, or to the Caribbean, unquestionably, but it's just not the right boat for the Atlantic. Better you should borrow a Contessa 26 or a Westsail 32...proven, if plodding, offshore designs that will get you there with no glamour, maybe, but plenty of security. YMMV, R. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:28:06 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: A nicely balanced reply.... I mostly agree, although I think it wouldn't take that much to fit her for a crossing, given all else is right. Well, thanks. C&C 33s are very common at my club and on Lake Ontario in general, and while they are fine boats and can take 40 knots in a squall...I just don't think there's enough beef to keep the sea out in the original configuration. Particularly the portlights and the hatches...as I am currently replacing these on my similarly aged boat, I just don't a quarter-inch of 7x 21" plexi staying in its frame if hit on the beam... They're fine boats, though...just not equipped for three weeks in the North Atlantic. Also, being old fin keelers, they don't hove to particularly well, and you wouldn't want to take on much water in those flat bilges. You know something, though? If the choice is between going and not going, maybe you should hop to St. John's, Nfld. and see how it goes inshore. If you find it acceptable and the boat well-found enough, then you can do the 2,000 mile hop to Ireland...which is colder, but shorter. R. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:14:51 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote: The only real issue particular to that model is that the original rudder was a bit too small for some situations. ==================================== That's true also but I thought Rhys hit the nail right on the head with his list of issues. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
In article .com,
wrote: Looking for opinions on whether or not one thinks that a C&C 33 is capable of handling big oceans. The C&C has a fin keel drawing 5.5' with a free standing spade rudder. Should making a transatlantic passage even be considered? Thanks for any advice and/or opinion. Rob Just to punch up one item: The boat is *probably* strong enough or can be upgraded so that it is. Is the crew? Sister ships to our Xan (below) have done the trip, one did it twice. I have a fair amount of skill and experience and we don't skimp on upgrades and repairs, so she may be stronger than new. We won't be doing it soon. There's too much we want to see on this side of the pond. My opinion is that too many people get the "right" boat for a trip they *might* do. My experience is that those who get the boat they can actually use for the next 5-7 years come out ahead. Few who DO strike out to blue water do it in the boat they originally thought they *had* to have. We got Xan for the what we expected to do in 5 years. A dozen years later, we've done far more than that and STILL see her serving us well for the next five. When we need a bigger boat for a weekend or so, we rent it. Unless we hit the lottery, we intend to keep Xan until after we've done at least 3 months in the Bahamas or similar to see if we like living aboard. (It's scheduled for the next time I'm between jobs, which might be retirement the way things are going at work, darn it.) If we decide long distance isn't for us, she'll do just fine at the end of our retirement home's dock. In the meantime, our "wish list" for that long distance cruiser has changed many times and the cruising kitty's building quickly while we're having a HECK of a lot of fun. There's a lot to be said about not paying the bank interest and having a tough, simple boat that's cheap to maintain. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On 28 Dec 2005 12:34:44 -0800, lid (Jonathan Ganz) wrote: lots and lots of smaller boats cross the pond with no problems whatsoever. =============================== That's true. I know a guy who went round trip in a J-35 one summer. That doesn't make it the right boat though. For what it's worth, he bought an Endeavor 42 after that. No doubt, but it doesn't make it wrong either. It depends on a lot of factors, and from my experience, C&Cs are up to the task if properly laid out. Structurally, generally of course, they're fine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
"rhys" wrote in message
... On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 14:28:06 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: A nicely balanced reply.... I mostly agree, although I think it wouldn't take that much to fit her for a crossing, given all else is right. Well, thanks. C&C 33s are very common at my club and on Lake Ontario in general, and while they are fine boats and can take 40 knots in a squall...I just don't think there's enough beef to keep the sea out in the original configuration. Particularly the portlights and the hatches...as I am currently replacing these on my similarly aged boat, I just don't a quarter-inch of 7x 21" plexi staying in its frame if hit on the beam... Every C&C I've been on had hatch problems, but fixable. They're fine boats, though...just not equipped for three weeks in the North Atlantic. Also, being old fin keelers, they don't hove to particularly well, and you wouldn't want to take on much water in those flat bilges. Hmm... actually, my experience has been that they do fine. I've sailed on the 40, 38, 36, and 34 of various ages and general conditions, but that wasn't a problem I observed. You know something, though? If the choice is between going and not going, maybe you should hop to St. John's, Nfld. and see how it goes inshore. If you find it acceptable and the boat well-found enough, then you can do the 2,000 mile hop to Ireland...which is colder, but shorter. I believe in sea trials..... |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:40 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: Structurally, generally of course, they're fine. ==================================== I agree but that is only one consideration. As I said originally it is not the boat that I'd pick, and I stated my reasons. Have you ever sailed offshore on an unsuited boat? It does not have to fall apart to be unsuitable, a squirrelly motion in a seaway will do it, so will flat shallow bilges that flood the cabin sole, so will inadequate tankage that requires carrying fuel and water on deck, likewise inadequate storage space, or inadequate battery and charging capacity. Most coastal racer/cruisers will fail on the majority of these points and the C&C 33 is no exception. That doesn't make it a bad boat, just one that's not particularly well suited for crossing oceans. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:05:10 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
Unless we hit the lottery, we intend to keep Xan until after we've done at least 3 months in the Bahamas or similar to see if we like living aboard. ========================================== You raise an interesting point there. A boat that is well suited for living aboard is not necessarily the right one for crossing oceans. I agree with your other point that so few people actually cross oceans in small sail boats that it does not make sense to purchase a boat for that purpose unless you are really going to do it. Most people get a very quick reality check after spending a few days going to windward on the open ocean, and quickly change their mind regarding the "right" boat. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:05:10 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
In the meantime, our "wish list" for that long distance cruiser has changed many times and the cruising kitty's building quickly while we're having a HECK of a lot of fun. There's a lot to be said about not paying the bank interest and having a tough, simple boat that's cheap to maintain. That's why I suggested a Contessa or a Westsail. But I also said "go and see", even though, having taken out a sister ship in 40 knots of Lake Ontario (which is harsh weather with square, three/four metre pounding waves, not long swells or rollers), I would question the amount of exhaustion a boat of this type might dish out. Having few ways to comfortably "park" in a blow would be a bigger problem than most of the more or less remediable ? issues, like stronger hatches and small tankage. I will say one thing: I would take a 25 year old C&C over most of today's production boats. Those big cockpits and companionways and wide saloons would give me the heebies in a high sea. R. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 00:18:40 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: Structurally, generally of course, they're fine. ==================================== I agree but that is only one consideration. As I said originally it is not the boat that I'd pick, and I stated my reasons. Have you ever sailed offshore on an unsuited boat? It does not have to fall apart to be unsuitable, a squirrelly motion in a seaway will do it, so will flat shallow bilges that flood the cabin sole, so will inadequate tankage that requires carrying fuel and water on deck, likewise inadequate storage space, or inadequate battery and charging capacity. Most coastal racer/cruisers will fail on the majority of these points and the C&C 33 is no exception. That doesn't make it a bad boat, just one that's not particularly well suited for crossing oceans. No. I wouldn't do that. If I thought the boat was unsuitable, I wouldn't go. In my experience, the C&Cs are not "squirrelly in a seaway. They are, in fact, seakindly. They're generally stiff, fast, and well-built... sounds like my ex... anyway... I wouldn't hesitate to take one offshore, assuming maintenance was kept up. I took a CT 48 down the coast from SF to Cabo non-stop. Even it did not have sufficient tankage to drive the whole way without gerry cans on deck. I took a Sparkmans and Stephens steel 61 foot long distance in the Med and it didn't have sufficient water storage. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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In article ,
Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 06:05:10 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: Unless we hit the lottery, we intend to keep Xan until after we've done at least 3 months in the Bahamas or similar to see if we like living aboard. You raise an interesting point there. A boat that is well suited for living aboard is not necessarily the right one for crossing oceans. I agree with your other point that so few people actually cross oceans in small sail boats that it does not make sense to purchase a boat for that purpose unless you are really going to do it. Most people get a very quick reality check after spending a few days going to windward on the open ocean, and quickly change their mind regarding the "right" boat. Personally, I'd choose a boat that has the least flaws for the 90% of what we do over one that had the best sailing qualities. The right set of sails can make any reasonably-strong boat acceptable, even if not ideal. To my mind, being able to live together aboard the boat is a primary consideration, mostly because my lady isn't sure she could stand being with me 24/7 in such a confined space -- and let's acknowledge that even a 60' cat can get pretty small for two. We did quite well on a 25-day trip, but knowing that we *were* returning might have helped. From what I've heard and read, it's only after a year or so on an open-ended cruise that a crew really knows whether they can live aboard in harmony. The other aspect of liveaboard is that long distance cruisers spend 90-95% of their time on the hook by actual survey (Cornell, at least). Understanding what's required to enjoy that vs. what would be nice can only be gained by doing. [In the tropics, dryers are the #1 most-useless addition, closely followed by ovens.] -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:41:20 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
The other aspect of liveaboard is that long distance cruisers spend 90-95% of their time on the hook by actual survey (Cornell, at least). And another 5 to 8% is spent under power. Here in SWFL it's more like 5 to 10%. |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
... On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:06:23 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:41:20 GMT, Jere Lull wrote: The other aspect of liveaboard is that long distance cruisers spend 90-95% of their time on the hook by actual survey (Cornell, at least). And another 5 to 8% is spent under power. Here in SWFL it's more like 5 to 10%. Let's try to get back to answering the actual question posed: Is crossing the Atlantic in a C&C 33 impossible or not. Yes or No. The question was not, " is it the best boat to go in?", or if it would be a piece of cake. The question was: WILL THIS MODEL BOAT MAKE THE CROSSING? I think you can assume the poster has considered that whatever boat he takes will have to be in top shape for the trip. If he only wants a safe trip with the minimum of discomfort, he'll be taking a commercial airliner. Actually, the original poster, probably long since gone on his sailing adventure, wrote: "Looking for opinions on whether or not one thinks that a C&C 33 is capable of handling big oceans. The C&C has a fin keel drawing 5.5' with a free standing spade rudder. Should making a transatlantic passage even be considered? Thanks for any advice and/or opinion. Rob" The C&C 33, given it is in decent shape and fitted for the journey, and given the skipper is aware of its limitations both of the vessel, himself, and his crew, is certainly capable of handling big oceans. A transatlantic journey should be considered if the boat/skipper/crew is prepared properly. Many opinions were given, most of them valid. I don't even think the boat need be in "top shap" to make it safely. It needs to be in decent shape, but top shape implies zero problems, and there aren't any boats I know about that have that characteristic. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:50:18 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote: The question was: WILL THIS MODEL BOAT MAKE THE CROSSING? ========================================== And the answer of course is definitely maybe. At best it will be a cold wet ride in a small boat. The wrong small boat in my opinion, but people have done it in less and lived to tell about it. A lot of people who ask questions like this have never been offshore in a small boat and have rose colored glasses on regarding the whole experience. It's my opinion, for what ever that is worth, that they should hear the downside as well. Crossing oceans in a 33 ft boat should not be taken lightly, especially in a boat that is not paticularly well suited for the job. The C&C 33 for all of its fine qualities was not designed and built as a passagemaker, and its designers would be the first to tell you that if asked. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 01:50:18 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote: The question was: WILL THIS MODEL BOAT MAKE THE CROSSING? ========================================== And the answer of course is definitely maybe. At best it will be a cold wet ride in a small boat. The wrong small boat in my opinion, but people have done it in less and lived to tell about it. A lot of people who ask questions like this have never been offshore in a small boat and have rose colored glasses on regarding the whole experience. It might be a nice warm, dry ride... depends on the conditions. It's my opinion, for what ever that is worth, that they should hear the downside as well. Crossing oceans in a 33 ft boat should not be taken lightly, especially in a boat that is not paticularly well suited for the job. The C&C 33 for all of its fine qualities was not designed and built as a passagemaker, and its designers would be the first to tell you that if asked. Of course they should, but I believe the C&C33, all things being equal, would be fine. It wasn't designed for this sort of trip, but it is well within its capabilities if the situation is handled properly. I would not say the same thing for other boats of that size. Sure, they could make it also, but the effort to get them to that spot would be formidible. |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:07:00 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud
wrote: Q. Can I drive from Maine to California in my 1968 Volkswagen Beetle? A. (Wayne B) It would be torture "if" you survived. You would be better off driving a Cadillac. It's bigger and rides smoother. Nobody who has ever driven a Volkswagen Bug any distance would attempt what you propose. What if it got a flat tire? I'm sure by the sound of your post that you have never heard of Cadillac, so I thought I'd better educate you. LOL Commodore Joe Redcloud ================================== Commodore Joe, I think you should sign on for the voyage with him. Send me a postcard when you arrive and let me know how the trip went. Meanwhile, a "commodore" story. One of the nicest boats that I have ever sailed on was a custom Baltic 55. I was aboard for the Newport-Bermuda Race in 1988. The boat had a young english guy as the owner's sailing captain who was full of pithy sayings. One of his favorites was when he'd notice someone standing in the companionway hatch. He'd say: "Only two kinds of people stand in the companionway, commodores and arse holes". One of his buddys would then chime in and say: "Sure doesn't look like a commodore". You however have now proven that it doesn't have to be either/or. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud©
wrote: I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been confirmed. ================ Aye commodore, whatever you say. |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed
to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
On 30 Dec 2005 09:47:36 -0800, wrote:
Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton I have sailed several C&C's, but not the 33. ( I have been on one at the dock.) In all of them, I found the windows leaked badly. This is the result of putting flat Lexan / plastic on a compound curve. The windows were not bolted into place, but were held in with an adhesive. A boarding sea could blow out the windows. The size would concern me. I did a delivery from Hawaii to BC in an Elite 37. I found that this was about the minimum size in that style of boat (fin keel, racing cruiser). On the other hand I met a guy who sailied a Bayfield 29 across the Atlantic. He shipped it back. Jack _________________________________________ Jack Dale ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com _________________________________________ |
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Baltic 55... that's a nice boat! Perhaps you can get the original poster to
switch. :-) FYI, just ignore Commode Joe. He can't have a civilized conversation lasting more than two posts. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:07:00 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote: Q. Can I drive from Maine to California in my 1968 Volkswagen Beetle? A. (Wayne B) It would be torture "if" you survived. You would be better off driving a Cadillac. It's bigger and rides smoother. Nobody who has ever driven a Volkswagen Bug any distance would attempt what you propose. What if it got a flat tire? I'm sure by the sound of your post that you have never heard of Cadillac, so I thought I'd better educate you. LOL Commodore Joe Redcloud ================================== Commodore Joe, I think you should sign on for the voyage with him. Send me a postcard when you arrive and let me know how the trip went. Meanwhile, a "commodore" story. One of the nicest boats that I have ever sailed on was a custom Baltic 55. I was aboard for the Newport-Bermuda Race in 1988. The boat had a young english guy as the owner's sailing captain who was full of pithy sayings. One of his favorites was when he'd notice someone standing in the companionway hatch. He'd say: "Only two kinds of people stand in the companionway, commodores and arse holes". One of his buddys would then chime in and say: "Sure doesn't look like a commodore". You however have now proven that it doesn't have to be either/or. |
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wrote in message
oups.com... Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton Rob.. I thought, when I saw your post, that you had been and returned. :-) Actually, I believe you can find most of these answers on the website someone posted... certainly you can get more qualified people to answer... people who are more familiar, longer term, with the C&Cs. |
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Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been confirmed. ================ Aye commodore, whatever you say. Take a pill, will ya? Commodore Joe Redcloud© You'll have to tread lightly here commodore. Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I would wager. |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:38:46 GMT, Don White wrote: Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been confirmed. ================ Aye commodore, whatever you say. Take a pill, will ya? Commodore Joe Redcloud© You'll have to tread lightly here commodore. Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I would wager. Oh, my! I didn't realize the situation was so serious! He should get on famously with Jon Ganz, who has made a career out of sending complaints to ISP's of anyone who points out that he is a totally humorless putz. And, you're a liar and a very angry person. What's your point? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton You name it. Things can and will break.You could lose the keel, the rudder, roll the thing and lose the mast, someone else mentioned the largish portlights could get blasted out by a wave, you could lose a key bit of standing rigging and lose the mast, steering gear could fail, blah, blah. OTOH, you could have fairly light winds, not break a thing but not have enough fuel to make the crossing between motorsailing, motoring, and keeping the batteries charged. If you're stuck on the price point, I would do a little more research, and choose another boat. Go to yachtworld, punch in your price point and see what's available, then do some more research. http://www.yachtworld.com/index.html.en There are a LOT of boats out there better suited for the task, hopefully you can find one that you can afford. John Cairns |
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"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:26:17 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:38:46 GMT, Don White wrote: Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been confirmed. ================ Aye commodore, whatever you say. Take a pill, will ya? Commodore Joe Redcloud© You'll have to tread lightly here commodore. Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I would wager. Oh, my! I didn't realize the situation was so serious! He should get on famously with Jon Ganz, who has made a career out of sending complaints to ISP's of anyone who points out that he is a totally humorless putz. And, you're a liar and a very angry person. What's your point? And Jonny's off to the races, folks! Very predictable. Ok. We all get that you're a very angry person. What are you now contributing to the thread? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
"John Cairns" wrote in message
. com... wrote in message ups.com... Thanks for all the input. I realize that the C&C 33 was not designed to cross oceans. But this is the boat I have and don't really want to spend the time and resources to find the "right" boat, anyway. If I did have those kinds of resources I would probably buy a West Sail, Pacific Seacraft, Hans Christain, or something of the like in the 32'-34' range. Unfortunately I don't have and extra $80,000 laying around. From the advice that I've received on this forum I would gather that based on the assumed experience of the posters that the C&C 33 is certainly capable of crossing the Atlantic, pending all systems have been upgraded. This being said, allow me to post another question. What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. Rob Minton You name it. Things can and will break.You could lose the keel, the rudder, roll the thing and lose the mast, someone else mentioned the largish portlights could get blasted out by a wave, you could lose a key bit of standing rigging and lose the mast, steering gear could fail, blah, blah. OTOH, you could have fairly light winds, not break a thing but not have enough fuel to make the crossing between motorsailing, motoring, and keeping the batteries charged. If you're stuck on the price point, I would do a little more research, and choose another boat. Go to yachtworld, punch in your price point and see what's available, then do some more research. http://www.yachtworld.com/index.html.en There are a LOT of boats out there better suited for the task, hopefully you can find one that you can afford. John Cairns I believe he said it's the boat he has... so, my suggestion is to plan well, inspect carefully, but above all, go for it! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
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Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On 30 Dec 2005 09:26:04 -0800, wrote: What would likely be the points of failure on the C&C 33 were it to encounter boarding seas and squalls. I need to know what systems will require the most attention. ========================================= Rob, all kidding aside, the first point of failure on most small boats in those conditions are the skipper or crew. Someone becomes seasick, injured or terminally frightened. Seriously. Knock downs causing a man overboard situation or injury are fairly common, as are serious waves coming onboard. After that you've got all the usual gear failure possibilities: dismasting, ripped sails, broken boom/goose neck, engine failure, line/prop entanglement, fouled/failed bilge pumps, clogged cockpit drains, hatch and deck leaks, rudder failure, steering cable failure, hose/seacock failure, engine mounts, batteries, autopilot, etc. None of those are hypothetical, having either experienced them myself at one time or another, or know people who have. Picture your boat being picked up by a 15 foot breaking wave and thrown down into the trough a few times. Imagine the possibility of things breaking or coming adrift from the impact. It happens, and steep 15 foot waves are not uncommon in a storm. Imagine someone spraying you with a cold fire hose while all of this is going on. Imagine what happens if these conditions persist for a day or two or three. Offshore, any one of these events can snowball into something more serious, and eventually crew fatigue or hypothermia begins to set in. That's about the time someone calls the coast guard for a rescue. A lot of those boats are eventually found floating or washed up on a beach somewhere, indicating that the rescue could have been avoided if the captain/crew had been stronger or better prepared. My advice would be to consult with an experienced marine surveyor and tell him what you have in mind. Pay close attention to any issues that he finds and get them all fixed in a first class manor. Then plan a series of shake down cruises where you will be exposed to open ocean conditions for 2 to 5 days at a time, preferably with some experienced crew. Weaknesses in the boat, gear and your own preparation will begin to show up, and you will learn how to deal with them when you are not 1,000 miles from assistance. After that you might be ready to go. Excellent post!! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
Thanks all. The points of view on this forum are, needless to say,
colorful. So far there has been the "go for it", the "hell no I wouldn't go", the "it COULD make it", the "it WILL make it". But underlying all of these points have been "IF you do go, THEN you should do______." And that is what I've been looking for. I've considered selling and buying something else - but so much freakin' hassle. And I've considered upgrading all systems on the boat I've got. I'm going to haul her out for several months and then make a decision. I'll definitely talk to you guys soon. I've found more info and opinions on R.B.C. than on any other forum. Have a good new year. Rob Minton |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:57:22 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:26:17 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message m... On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 21:38:46 GMT, Don White wrote: Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:35:51 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:06:17 GMT, Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote: I was beginning to believe you had no sense of humor. Now it's been confirmed. ================ Aye commodore, whatever you say. Take a pill, will ya? Commodore Joe Redcloud© You'll have to tread lightly here commodore. Mr. Wayneb has been known to ridicule other posters contributions and announce that he's plonking them in public. Makes him feel superior I would wager. Oh, my! I didn't realize the situation was so serious! He should get on famously with Jon Ganz, who has made a career out of sending complaints to ISP's of anyone who points out that he is a totally humorless putz. And, you're a liar and a very angry person. What's your point? And Jonny's off to the races, folks! Very predictable. Ok. We all get that you're a very angry person. What are you now contributing to the thread? The thread was doing just fine until you came in and started telling people to ignore me, because you are having another of your patented homo hissy-fits. I actually know something about C&C's since I have owned several of them and currently own one. I was also the "someone" in this thread who posted the link for the C&C website that you now recommend. You need an anger management class!! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
wrote in message
oups.com... Thanks all. The points of view on this forum are, needless to say, colorful. So far there has been the "go for it", the "hell no I wouldn't go", the "it COULD make it", the "it WILL make it". But underlying all of these points have been "IF you do go, THEN you should do______." And that is what I've been looking for. I've considered selling and buying something else - but so much freakin' hassle. And I've considered upgrading all systems on the boat I've got. I'm going to haul her out for several months and then make a decision. I'll definitely talk to you guys soon. I've found more info and opinions on R.B.C. than on any other forum. Have a good new year. Rob Minton Yeh, but don't listen to Commode Joe. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Bluewater C&C 33 - OPINIONS??
"Commodore Joe Redcloud" wrote in message
... On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:03:25 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: wrote in message groups.com... Thanks all. The points of view on this forum are, needless to say, colorful. So far there has been the "go for it", the "hell no I wouldn't go", the "it COULD make it", the "it WILL make it". But underlying all of these points have been "IF you do go, THEN you should do______." And that is what I've been looking for. I've considered selling and buying something else - but so much freakin' hassle. And I've considered upgrading all systems on the boat I've got. I'm going to haul her out for several months and then make a decision. I'll definitely talk to you guys soon. I've found more info and opinions on R.B.C. than on any other forum. Have a good new year. Rob Minton Yeh, but don't listen to Commode Joe. What are you so afraid of, Jon? Ok!! I think I won this troll.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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