"Gordon" wrote in message
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How do all you cruisers keep your boats from walking all over the place
when using brait or nylon at anchor? Chain lays on the bottom and pretty
much holds you in one place but line lets a boat roam at will. How do you
prevent that?
Gordon

Bow and stern anchoring where swing radius is a concern.

Bryan

On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:38:28 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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How do all you cruisers keep your boats from walking all over the place
when using brait or nylon at anchor? Chain lays on the bottom and pretty
much holds you in one place but line lets a boat roam at will. How do you
prevent that?
Gordon

Bow and stern anchoring where swing radius is a concern.

A bow and stern anchor is used to hold a bow into waves when wind and
waves are from different angles. To reduce swing, use two anchors off
the bow - either a Bahamian moor (anchors at 180 degree) or two
anchors at 60 to 90 degrees. Or in a calm anchorage, a stern line to
shore may be used. That is very common in our more popular West Coast
anchorages; rings have attached to rocks and cliffs in many of the
marine parks.

When anchoring with chain and rope rode, ensure that you have adequate
swing room.

Jack

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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 16:38:28 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Gordon" wrote in message
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How do all you cruisers keep your boats from walking all over the place
when using brait or nylon at anchor? Chain lays on the bottom and pretty
much holds you in one place but line lets a boat roam at will. How do
you
prevent that?
Gordon

Bow and stern anchoring where swing radius is a concern.

A bow and stern anchor is used to hold a bow into waves when wind and
waves are from different angles. To reduce swing, use two anchors off
the bow - either a Bahamian moor (anchors at 180 degree) or two
anchors at 60 to 90 degrees. Or in a calm anchorage, a stern line to
shore may be used. That is very common in our more popular West Coast
anchorages; rings have attached to rocks and cliffs in many of the
marine parks.

When anchoring with chain and rope rode, ensure that you have adequate
swing room.

Jack

The two anchors off the bow creates cross-over potential, that is rodes
crossing between boats. I would think that bow and stern in tight quarters
eliminates the swing issue and reduces the potential of crossing
lines/rodes.

I've only used moorings, single anchor off the bow, and bow and stern
anchoring. I've practiced the other options you've offered, but never used
them.

This thread is going to force me to grab my Annapolis Book of Seamanship and
review the anchoring chapter!

Bryan wrote:
When anchoring with chain and rope rode, ensure that you have adequate
swing room.

Jack


The two anchors off the bow creates cross-over potential, that is rodes
crossing between boats. I would think that bow and stern in tight quarters
eliminates the swing issue and reduces the potential of crossing
lines/rodes.


If you're in such close quarters as to risk fouling rodes with other
boats, you had best be anchoring with the same technique as your
neighbors. I've had some minor bumps but try to avoid situations
where there is any risk of fouling. The only nasty that comes to mind
I had all chain and my neighbor had about 200 feet of rope (in about
15 feet of water). When the wind shifted I stayed in essentially the
same place, and he swung about 400 feet.

I double anchor (with two forward) fairly frequently, but have never
had a problem fouling, probably because its so easy to predict where
you're going to end up.


I've only used moorings, single anchor off the bow, and bow and stern
anchoring. I've practiced the other options you've offered, but never used
them.

This thread is going to force me to grab my Annapolis Book of Seamanship and
review the anchoring chapter!

If you really want to learn, get the book by Hinz. And talk to people
who have used a variety of techniques.

In article ,
Jeff wrote:
If you're in such close quarters as to risk fouling rodes with other
boats, you had best be anchoring with the same technique as your
neighbors. I've had some minor bumps but try to avoid situations
where there is any risk of fouling. The only nasty that comes to mind
I had all chain and my neighbor had about 200 feet of rope (in about
15 feet of water). When the wind shifted I stayed in essentially the
same place, and he swung about 400 feet.

I double anchor (with two forward) fairly frequently, but have never
had a problem fouling, probably because its so easy to predict where
you're going to end up.

What Jeff said. Most of the time, you get fouled on other people's
crap or they on yours.

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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bryan wrote:

I double anchor (with two forward) fairly frequently, but have never had a
problem fouling, probably because its so easy to predict where you're
going to end up.


I've only used moorings, single anchor off the bow, and bow and stern
anchoring. I've practiced the other options you've offered, but never
used them.

This thread is going to force me to grab my Annapolis Book of Seamanship
and review the anchoring chapter!

If you really want to learn, get the book by Hinz. And talk to people who
have used a variety of techniques.

If I really want to learn, I need to win the lottery, quit my job, get a new
wife, and send my kids off to college, so that I can spend more time, lots
more time, on the water!

Right now, my sailing, that requires anchoring, is limited to Catalina
Island (bow and stern) and Isla Coronado (single bow).

Bryan

In article ,
Bryan wrote:
If I really want to learn, I need to win the lottery, quit my job, get a new
wife, and send my kids off to college, so that I can spend more time, lots
more time, on the water!

Can't be that bad... you can get to Catalina... nice place.

Right now, my sailing, that requires anchoring, is limited to Catalina
Island (bow and stern) and Isla Coronado (single bow).



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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bryan wrote:
If I really want to learn, I need to win the lottery, quit my job, get a
new
wife, and send my kids off to college, so that I can spend more time, lots
more time, on the water!

Can't be that bad... you can get to Catalina... nice place.

Right now, my sailing, that requires anchoring, is limited to Catalina
Island (bow and stern) and Isla Coronado (single bow).



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Once a year. What a great destination if done right. It's my favorite
getaway. Don't tell anybody; I want to keep Catalina a secret. My next
challenge is to get there in an 18 foot runabout instead of my usual 30 to
40 foot sailboat.

Bryan

In article ,
Bryan wrote:
The two anchors off the bow creates cross-over potential, that is rodes
crossing between boats. I would think that bow and stern in tight quarters
eliminates the swing issue and reduces the potential of crossing
lines/rodes.

I've only used moorings, single anchor off the bow, and bow and stern
anchoring. I've practiced the other options you've offered, but never used
them.

This thread is going to force me to grab my Annapolis Book of Seamanship and
review the anchoring chapter!


Good idea! :-)

Actually, there are several two-anchor-off-the-bow methods... 45 deg
angle, one in front of the other, for example.



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In article ,
Bryan wrote:
The two anchors off the bow creates cross-over potential, that is rodes
crossing between boats. I would think that bow and stern in tight quarters
eliminates the swing issue and reduces the potential of crossing
lines/rodes.

I've only used moorings, single anchor off the bow, and bow and stern
anchoring. I've practiced the other options you've offered, but never used
them.

This thread is going to force me to grab my Annapolis Book of Seamanship and
review the anchoring chapter!


And, you might be in a situation when bow/stern won't do what you
want. For example, if other people have only one or multiple bow
anchors out. Your neighbor would swing into you.

The best rule of thumb is to follow the lead if you're not there
first. If you are there first, you get to set the precedence, assuming
you know what you're doing of course.


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