I'm still considering buying a Tayana Vancouver 460
Pilot (with room for a washer/dryer combo for Olive)
instead of the Beneteau 473.

If I wanted to buy a motor home I would just get a copy
of the RV Rating Book by RV Consumer Group and look
for "The average percent of MSRP paid for this model ..."
to figure out a fair price of the vehicle.

Do we have a similar book for sailboats ?

If not then what do you think is the average percent of
MSRP people pay for something like a Tayana ?

Does 10% below MSRP sound about right ?

Thanks again for your help.

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....

Do we have a similar book for sailboats ?

If not then what do you think is the average percent of
MSRP people pay for something like a Tayana ?

Does 10% below MSRP sound about right ?

The actual selling prices for new boats are not well advertised. In
fact, even if you get a great deal it will likely be obfuscated by
trade-in, special equipment, free dockage, or some other factor.

Also, for limited production models there is no general rule for
predicting the discount. The only good indicator is how far into the
future they are booked. If the earliest production slot you can get
is two years from now, its not likely you'll get much of a discount.
If a small company is promising spring delivery on a large boat, they
have already committed to buying supplies and paying salaries, and now
are looking for a customer. The best deals can be made if you're
picking a boat that was built "on spec," or started and then the buyer
backed out. However, then you might have limited choice on options
like where the washer/dyer goes.

My guess is the a smaller builder has "wiggle room" in the order of
5%, while the larger companies probably have 10% or more to carry them
through slow periods.

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
...

Do we have a similar book for sailboats ?

If not then what do you think is the average percent of
MSRP people pay for something like a Tayana ?

Does 10% below MSRP sound about right ?

The actual selling prices for new boats are not well advertised. In
fact, even if you get a great deal it will likely be obfuscated by
trade-in, special equipment, free dockage, or some other factor.

Also, for limited production models there is no general rule for
predicting the discount. The only good indicator is how far into the
future they are booked. If the earliest production slot you can get
is two years from now, its not likely you'll get much of a discount.
If a small company is promising spring delivery on a large boat, they
have already committed to buying supplies and paying salaries, and now
are looking for a customer. The best deals can be made if you're
picking a boat that was built "on spec," or started and then the buyer
backed out. However, then you might have limited choice on options
like where the washer/dyer goes.

My guess is the a smaller builder has "wiggle room" in the order of
5%, while the larger companies probably have 10% or more to carry them
through slow periods.

Like Morgan sports cars, with a 7-year waiting list they laugh hystrically
if you even mention discounts. :-D

In article t,
wrote:

I'm still considering buying a Tayana Vancouver 460
Pilot (with room for a washer/dryer combo for Olive)
instead of the Beneteau 473.

If I wanted to buy a motor home I would just get a copy
of the RV Rating Book by RV Consumer Group and look
for "The average percent of MSRP paid for this model ..."
to figure out a fair price of the vehicle.

Do we have a similar book for sailboats ?

If not then what do you think is the average percent of
MSRP people pay for something like a Tayana ?

Does 10% below MSRP sound about right ?

Thanks again for your help.

If a new boat is at a yard or dealer and has not sold all season and it
is December, boat dealers might discount the boat. I got my Regal that
way and leveraged the purchase of my trade-in at a fair price, lifetime
free summer storage of my trailer, and over 10% off the price.

But for any highly desirable boats that dealers expect to sell, e.g.,
J/100s, be thankful they don't ask for a premium over price with
expensive yard work and commissioning charges tacked on.

harlan

--
To respond, obviously drop the "nospan"?

Jeff wrote:
wrote:
....

Do we have a similar book for sailboats ?

If not then what do you think is the average percent of
MSRP people pay for something like a Tayana ?

Does 10% below MSRP sound about right ?

The actual selling prices for new boats are not well advertised. In
fact, even if you get a great deal it will likely be obfuscated by
trade-in, special equipment, free dockage, or some other factor.

Also, for limited production models there is no general rule for
predicting the discount. The only good indicator is how far into the
future they are booked. If the earliest production slot you can get
is two years from now, its not likely you'll get much of a discount.
If a small company is promising spring delivery on a large boat, they
have already committed to buying supplies and paying salaries, and now
are looking for a customer. The best deals can be made if you're
picking a boat that was built "on spec," or started and then the buyer
backed out. However, then you might have limited choice on options
like where the washer/dyer goes.

My guess is the a smaller builder has "wiggle room" in the order of
5%, while the larger companies probably have 10% or more to carry
them through slow periods.

Thanks Jeff.

This is a limited-production boat and the mold belongs to the dealer
but only 7 have been sold since the first one was introduced in 2001
and there's no waiting list.

I've asked Tayana to send me technical safety data for this boat
but still can't tell how good they are.

Hull No. 7 was listed as a 2002 model but wasn't sold until late
last year or early this year. The one I'm looking at (hull No. 8)
has been sitting at the factory (almost finished) for over a year.
Last year it was listed as a 2004 model but now it's being listed
as a 2006 model !

So maybe if the dealer really wants to sell this one before the
end of the year he'll give me a good deal :-)

I can't help wondering why all your questions begin with "Urgent!"
Nobody *urgently* needs to buy a boat (unless you've robbed a bank or
killed someone, so need to get out of the country fast, and they're
watching all the airports)...and for every boat you've seen that you
think you want now, there will be at least a dozen more like it in equal
or better shape in the next 3 months. When the boat buying process
become "urgent," it usually means that emotion has hijacked your brain.

So what IS so "urgent?"

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/books...ku=90&cat=1304

How can you possibly be choosing between a Tayana and a Beneteau? The
automibile equivalent is, do you want to buy a mini-van or a sports
car? You need to figure out what you are really going to do with the
boat. Buy the Tayana if you're really going offshore cruising. It will
probably have all the equipment you need, is built extremely well, but
will be slower in light air. It's made to be able to withstand a good
blow. Buy a Bendy Toy if you're going to get into racing and do local
cruising. The Beneteau will be way better in light air, more
responsive steering, and generally go faster. (Less motoring during
light air days).

There are tons of used fiberglass boats, you are in the driver's seat.
Don't let any broker tell you that you need to make an offer or you
could "Lose the boat "

I have worked in a yachtbrokerage, so believe me, there are more boats
for sale than there are buyers. Now I work in yacht insurance. BucBook
is the guide that lists replacment cost (new) & used prices for modern
production vessels.

~ Sailor

My understanding is that all of the brokers are going to Yacht World now and
that leaves Buc with very little data to go on.


"TabbyCat" wrote in message
ups.com...
How can you possibly be choosing between a Tayana and a Beneteau? The
automibile equivalent is, do you want to buy a mini-van or a sports
car? You need to figure out what you are really going to do with the
boat. Buy the Tayana if you're really going offshore cruising. It will
probably have all the equipment you need, is built extremely well, but
will be slower in light air. It's made to be able to withstand a good
blow. Buy a Bendy Toy if you're going to get into racing and do local
cruising. The Beneteau will be way better in light air, more
responsive steering, and generally go faster. (Less motoring during
light air days).

There are tons of used fiberglass boats, you are in the driver's seat.
Don't let any broker tell you that you need to make an offer or you
could "Lose the boat "

I have worked in a yachtbrokerage, so believe me, there are more boats
for sale than there are buyers. Now I work in yacht insurance. BucBook
is the guide that lists replacment cost (new) & used prices for modern
production vessels.

~ Sailor

Dave wrote:
Peggie Hall said:

I can't help wondering why all your questions begin
with "Urgent!" Nobody *urgently* needs to buy a boat
(unless you've robbed a bank or killed someone, so
need to get out of the country fast, and they're
watching all the airports)

People with no self-confidence use it, thinking it adds
weight to a post everyone is likely otherwise to ignore.

My latest question "Which boat is most likely to capsize"
doesn't begin with "Urgent !" :-)