Jonathan Ganz wrote:

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Jim Cate wrote:


Try me.



Thanks, but no thanks.



Would you believe me if I told you that I know a major dealer of them
in this area and even he thinks they're crap... doubt it.


Shouldn't he consider some other kind of work? - There doesn't seem to
be a great deal of profit running a Mac dealership.



On the contrary. He makes tons of money from people like you! A true
capitalist.



Then he must be selling other boats in addition to the Macs. (Right?) I
don't see many Mac dealers making a big profit. - Most of them seem to
be in because they like sailing and like the Macs.



Johnny, seems to me that, if the Macs are simply a pile of junk as you
keep saying, we would see thousands of them breaking apart in any winds



Well, it seems to you.



What are you saying, Johnnny? That they don't fall apart or break up?
That even though you think the Macs are a pile of junk, they still just
keep on sailing? - You're not making much sense.




Particularly since the Macs have been one of the most popular lines ever
made, with over 40,000 of them sold, reports of failures should be all
over the place. I spend a lot of time on the Mac discussion groups, and



McDonalds makes billions of burgers, but I wouldn't want to eat them
on a regular basis.

Perhaps too much time...



You're missing the point again, Johnny. The fact that MacGregor sells
lots of boats wasn't mentioned as evidence that their boats are of
high quality (although they are). Instead, the point was that, with
that many boats out there, and with thousands of owners, passengers,
observers, reviewers, etc. aware of them, if they were inherently
dangerous, or if they fell apart or capsized, etc., (if they were just a
pile of junk, as you say), that fact would be well-known throughout the
sailing community. - So far, however, you can't come up with any
evidence or statistics to back up your ridiculous assertions. Kind of
embarrassing John?



I read lots of reports and sailing mags, and I don't remember seeing
accounts of any Macs that simply fell apart, or any on which the owners
or passengers were drowned, etc., other than the one in which a drunk
skipper rolled an overloaded Mac 26X with no ballast. As in any boat,



You're really obsessed with Macs breaking up...


You're obsessed with calling them a pile of junk. Could you possibly
come up with another term Johnny?




So, it should be fairly easy for you to cite some statisticsbacking up
your ridiculous assertions. Could you do that for us, Johnny? - If you
aren't just blowing smoke, that is.



Assertions of what? They're junky, they look like it, they sail like
it. There are no statistics needed.


If they were just a pile of junk, as you say, and if their rigging were
not built appropriately for the loads, they would be failing, capsizing,
and breaking up after a few months of use in moderate winds. - But they
aren't, and that's why you are having trouble backing up your ridiculous
statements. - Put up or shut up Johnny!

Jim