Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
:

AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

--
Larry
73 DE W4CSC

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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:02:31 -0400, Larry wrote:

Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
:

AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

Currently, that is what I thought.

FCC is debating no code. However, I wonder why? The
demise of HF hams would free up spectrum for other uses.
Nowadays, all spectrum is valuable.

SSB on boats could be useful. So far, cell phones and
VHF/UHF transceivers are quite handy.

Gary G.
N6OIJ --... ...--

Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.
Microtechnics, Inc.
Granite Bay, CA 95746
916.791.8191
gary@microtechnics dot com

Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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FCC is debating no code. However, I wonder why? The
demise of HF hams would free up spectrum for other uses.
Nowadays, all spectrum is valuable.


No it's not. Noone wants HF any more. Ships are going to satphones, which
work much better. Listen around to any HF SSB marine radio. Hear much?
Nope....dead....not much left but the fishermen who can't afford satphones.

The HF broadcasters are going to the internet like BBC has. Lots of HF
broadcasts are no longer, their transmitters now disassembled. HF is a
dead issue in broadcasting.

I predict several NEW ham bands in the near future on some prime HF
frequencies noone wants.

Noone is saying you cannot use CW/Morse on any band. What the world
organizations are saying is it is no longer to their advantage to require
you learn Morse Code so you can be drafted into their army radio operators
in the next military idiocy used for population control across the planet.
When the militaries of the world stopped using CW/Morse, there was no
longer a requirement for ham radio to train operators.

--
Larry

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:49:14 -0400, Larry wrote:

Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
news
FCC is debating no code. However, I wonder why? The
demise of HF hams would free up spectrum for other uses.
Nowadays, all spectrum is valuable.


No it's not. Noone wants HF any more. Ships are going to satphones, which
work much better. Listen around to any HF SSB marine radio. Hear much?
Nope....dead....not much left but the fishermen who can't afford satphones.

The HF broadcasters are going to the internet like BBC has. Lots of HF
broadcasts are no longer, their transmitters now disassembled. HF is a
dead issue in broadcasting.

I predict several NEW ham bands in the near future on some prime HF
frequencies noone wants.

Noone is saying you cannot use CW/Morse on any band. What the world
organizations are saying is it is no longer to their advantage to require
you learn Morse Code so you can be drafted into their army radio operators
in the next military idiocy used for population control across the planet.
When the militaries of the world stopped using CW/Morse, there was no
longer a requirement for ham radio to train operators.

Ahh...I see your point. Sat phones make a big difference. Repeaters
revolutionized VHF/UHF and now sat is doing the same for tele. So it
is either cell or sat. I see that most all of the ship to shore tele
venues are shut down.

I don't know about military and hams but I do see ham radio dying.
I see the same thing happening with my RC airplanes (53MHz for me,
thankfully).

Sigh....



Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.
Microtechnics, Inc.
Granite Bay, CA 95746
916.791.8191
gary@microtechnics dot com

Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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Ahh...I see your point. Sat phones make a big difference. Repeaters
revolutionized VHF/UHF and now sat is doing the same for tele. So it
is either cell or sat. I see that most all of the ship to shore tele
venues are shut down.

Speaking of satphones....

A friend of mine called me just today! He has 65 Qualcomm satellite
phones, batteries and chargers on Qualcomm's system that was used in a case
for data only service and never carried. They are all new! He's sending
me a set down so I can show it around the boats. $500 too much for an
almost new, unscratched $3200 satphone?...(c; He's using one for
emergencies out in the boonies where he services towers for the big
companies like Pinnacle Towers across the country. 300 minutes per year is
$300...a dollar a minute, cheap for direct satellite phone service anywhere
on the planet.

I have an Iridium satphone I paid $25 for...2 batteries, charger and all.
Boater with big yacht was told by Iridium they were closing. I asked him
how much for the phone, just for oldtimes sake. I gave it to him never
expecting to be able to ever use it. Now, the military has the system back
on the air! It cost something like $3500, new.


I don't know about military and hams but I do see ham radio dying.
I see the same thing happening with my RC airplanes (53MHz for me,
thankfully).

You are absolutely right on that point. Go to any hamfest convention and
you'll soon see the average age of the ham ops is about 60, now, and
climbing. The kids could care less having internet phone, video, broadband
on demand. Ham radio is archaic by comparison. I hardly use it myself,
any more. Noone bitches at me about their private net frequencies on the
internet. Noone cares how much bandwidth I use on here.

73 DE W4CSC

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
:

AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

Not true. A tech can operate 10M, for what it's worth.

--
Larry
73 DE W4CSC

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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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A tech can operate 10M

10M? Isn't that like CB?....(c;

Oh, no, CBers run more power.....10KW

--
Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
:

AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?

--
Larry
73 DE W4CSC

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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?



ITU rules were changed. Many countries have already dropped code
requirements, and this is of prime consideration for the FCC to change our
rules to conform to the rest of the planet.....ARRL or no ARRL...(c;

--
Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?



ITU rules were changed. Many countries have already dropped code
requirements, and this is of prime consideration for the FCC to change our
rules to conform to the rest of the planet.....ARRL or no ARRL...(c;

I thought the ARRL only acted in an advisory role.

Larry