Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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FCC is debating no code. However, I wonder why? The
demise of HF hams would free up spectrum for other uses.
Nowadays, all spectrum is valuable.


No it's not. Noone wants HF any more. Ships are going to satphones, which
work much better. Listen around to any HF SSB marine radio. Hear much?
Nope....dead....not much left but the fishermen who can't afford satphones.

The HF broadcasters are going to the internet like BBC has. Lots of HF
broadcasts are no longer, their transmitters now disassembled. HF is a
dead issue in broadcasting.

I predict several NEW ham bands in the near future on some prime HF
frequencies noone wants.

Noone is saying you cannot use CW/Morse on any band. What the world
organizations are saying is it is no longer to their advantage to require
you learn Morse Code so you can be drafted into their army radio operators
in the next military idiocy used for population control across the planet.
When the militaries of the world stopped using CW/Morse, there was no
longer a requirement for ham radio to train operators.

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Larry

On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 14:49:14 -0400, Larry wrote:

Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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FCC is debating no code. However, I wonder why? The
demise of HF hams would free up spectrum for other uses.
Nowadays, all spectrum is valuable.


No it's not. Noone wants HF any more. Ships are going to satphones, which
work much better. Listen around to any HF SSB marine radio. Hear much?
Nope....dead....not much left but the fishermen who can't afford satphones.

The HF broadcasters are going to the internet like BBC has. Lots of HF
broadcasts are no longer, their transmitters now disassembled. HF is a
dead issue in broadcasting.

I predict several NEW ham bands in the near future on some prime HF
frequencies noone wants.

Noone is saying you cannot use CW/Morse on any band. What the world
organizations are saying is it is no longer to their advantage to require
you learn Morse Code so you can be drafted into their army radio operators
in the next military idiocy used for population control across the planet.
When the militaries of the world stopped using CW/Morse, there was no
longer a requirement for ham radio to train operators.

Ahh...I see your point. Sat phones make a big difference. Repeaters
revolutionized VHF/UHF and now sat is doing the same for tele. So it
is either cell or sat. I see that most all of the ship to shore tele
venues are shut down.

I don't know about military and hams but I do see ham radio dying.
I see the same thing happening with my RC airplanes (53MHz for me,
thankfully).

Sigh....



Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.
Microtechnics, Inc.
Granite Bay, CA 95746
916.791.8191
gary@microtechnics dot com

"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:8wV0f.1820$yS6.1635@clgrps12...
Marine SSB is not the same as Ham so you don't need the same licenses.
For pleasure craft use, in Canada, you only require your VHF license.
Pretty sure it is the same in the USA.

No VHF license required in the US as long as it is a recreational vessel and
is operated within use waters.

"Gary G" see.signature@bottom wrote in message
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AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.

N6oij


Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.
Microtechnics, Inc.
Granite Bay, CA 95746
916.791.8191
gary@microtechnics dot com

"Larry" wrote in message
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Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

Not true. A tech can operate 10M, for what it's worth.

--
Larry
73 DE W4CSC

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"Larry" wrote in message
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Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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AFAIK, no FCC license allows HF (SSB) band
transmission without an appropriate
license. This means that one needs General or greater.
If the pictue has changed, please let me know.


You need General or Extra to operate HF. Code at 5 wpm will soon be
HISTORY, whether the old fogies at ARRL like it or not.

Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?

--
Larry
73 DE W4CSC

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Gary G see.signature@bottom wrote in
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Ahh...I see your point. Sat phones make a big difference. Repeaters
revolutionized VHF/UHF and now sat is doing the same for tele. So it
is either cell or sat. I see that most all of the ship to shore tele
venues are shut down.

Speaking of satphones....

A friend of mine called me just today! He has 65 Qualcomm satellite
phones, batteries and chargers on Qualcomm's system that was used in a case
for data only service and never carried. They are all new! He's sending
me a set down so I can show it around the boats. $500 too much for an
almost new, unscratched $3200 satphone?...(c; He's using one for
emergencies out in the boonies where he services towers for the big
companies like Pinnacle Towers across the country. 300 minutes per year is
$300...a dollar a minute, cheap for direct satellite phone service anywhere
on the planet.

I have an Iridium satphone I paid $25 for...2 batteries, charger and all.
Boater with big yacht was told by Iridium they were closing. I asked him
how much for the phone, just for oldtimes sake. I gave it to him never
expecting to be able to ever use it. Now, the military has the system back
on the air! It cost something like $3500, new.


I don't know about military and hams but I do see ham radio dying.
I see the same thing happening with my RC airplanes (53MHz for me,
thankfully).

You are absolutely right on that point. Go to any hamfest convention and
you'll soon see the average age of the ham ops is about 60, now, and
climbing. The kids could care less having internet phone, video, broadband
on demand. Ham radio is archaic by comparison. I hardly use it myself,
any more. Noone bitches at me about their private net frequencies on the
internet. Noone cares how much bandwidth I use on here.

73 DE W4CSC

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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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A tech can operate 10M

10M? Isn't that like CB?....(c;

Oh, no, CBers run more power.....10KW

--
Larry

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?



ITU rules were changed. Many countries have already dropped code
requirements, and this is of prime consideration for the FCC to change our
rules to conform to the rest of the planet.....ARRL or no ARRL...(c;

--
Larry

"Larry" wrote in message
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"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Aren't we still bound by international treaty to require code?



ITU rules were changed. Many countries have already dropped code
requirements, and this is of prime consideration for the FCC to change our
rules to conform to the rest of the planet.....ARRL or no ARRL...(c;

I thought the ARRL only acted in an advisory role.

Larry

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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I thought the ARRL only acted in an advisory role.



FCC has been heavily lobbied by ARRL since the 1930's. Because of this
fact, ARRL has had a virtual lock on what FCC does about ham radio. ARRL
is the only reason voice transmission is segregated in tiny bands. ARRL
caused the stupid caste system where their old buddies that were
grandfathered into Extra had the finest DX frequencies, while newcomers had
to struggle through the caste system ARRL created with "incentive
licensing" all these years. It nearly has ruined ham radio, discouraging
the young from joining the caste system.

In more recent history, a new communications mode has bypassed this
nonsense created by ARRL. The youngsters now have computers on broadband
internet and can talk to anyone they like, bypassing this archaic caste
system ARRL created. So, ham radio is dying of old age, still stuck in the
caste system.

FCC, noticing ham radio's demise, has recently broken away from allowing
ARRL to virtually run things. FCC dumped part of the caste system by
eliminating Novice and Advanced Class caste system licenses. FCC, over the
strenuous lobbying of ARRL, dumped 20 and 13 wpm code tests the caste
system used to prevent too many people from getting ham licenses and
crowding the old farts on their little near-private HF bands. Too bad this
attempt to save it was too slow and too late.

Set up two tables 15 feet apart at any function for young people, say a
Scout Jamboree or school function. On one table put up a gee-whiz ham
radio exhibit with a big antenna and all the toys. On the other table, put
a PC hooked to the internet with nothing but a simple sign saying "Internet
Access". Watch what happens. Ham radio is, rightly, perceived as an old
man's hobby. Internet just attracts them like flies to sugar. Too slow,
too late, too DOOMED....and it's all ARRL's fault and the old farts that
run it.

--
Larry