Lake George is a cold lake.
Just like the Titanic I'll bet that most went into hypothermia, then
drowned as their underlying health problems of 'old age' kicked-in. As
the bodie's 'core' becomes colder and colder there is some protection
mechanism vs. cardiac arrest; its when the body 're-warms' is when
cardiac arrest from ventricular fibrillation becomes extremely
dangerous. Older folks dont have very good 'heat regulation' and with
the onset of hypothermia one loses their ability to control hands, feet
and other voluntary muscles - and their ability to hang-on to an
overturned boat or pfd's that may have floated by.
The wakes on L. George can be monsterous.

In article , Gogarty
wrote:

Weird.

I would bet that those people who died did not drown but suffered cardiac
arrest upon being plunged suddenly into cold water. Less than 70 F. is
cold.

Rich Hampel wrote in
:

Lake George is a cold lake.


I swam in Lake George. For it to get to 70F, you'd have to MELT Florida as
we spiral into the sun. Most NY lakes are like that. I was born in the
Finger Lakes. When calling old friend back home, I always ask, "Which day
was Summer this year?"...(c;

--
Larry

That boat was made in the 1950's when the average person weighed a
sensible 140 pounds, with its 100 passenger limit the boat was a
perfectly safe vessel to operate. Now with all the fat, today the
average amererican is a fat blubbery disgrace weighing WAAAAAY over 140
poounds. IT is truly no wonder the boat sank. This is simply natures
way of cleaning out the fat. It is nothing to cry about. In fact I find
it somewhat humerous.

Look at your waste band? If your a stasticical average you are obese.
Perhaps you should have been aboard?
bob, freind to capt. neal and like minded fellows of
the sea.

Correction: 50 passenger capacity not 100. And to answer a prior post,
the uscg does not have jurisdiction over lake george. it is not a uscg
inspected vessel. ny state does. who is to blame though for this
tragedy? perhaps gluttony.

In article .com,
"Meye5" wrote:

Correction: 50 passenger capacity not 100. And to answer a prior post,
the uscg does not have jurisdiction over lake george. it is not a uscg
inspected vessel. ny state does. who is to blame though for this
tragedy? perhaps gluttony.

This is EXACTLY where the problem is. Not the "gluttony" but the State
of New York's inspection policies. If this were a USCG Inspected
Passenger Vessel, things would have been different. Stability, would be
only one of the things required for a USCG COI. Operators would be
required to hold USCG Small Passenger Ship Masters License. Ship would
need to be inspected annually for seaworthness. Radios would be
required, and they would need to be inspected once every 5 years, for a
Title III Part III SOLAS RadioTelephone Permit.
In the past, I have been involved with SOLAS Inspections, on both sides
of the Inspection, as well as USCG Courts of Inquirey, on sinkings of
SOLAS Required Vessels. These aren't very fun for the folks that are
left alive, but they do tend to get to the facts of the issue, and new
regulations, do come from such Findings.


Bruce in alaska
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"Meye5" wrote in message
oups.com...
That boat was made in the 1950's when the average person weighed a
sensible 140 pounds, with its 100 passenger limit the boat was a
perfectly safe vessel to operate. Now with all the fat, today the
average amererican is a fat blubbery disgrace weighing WAAAAAY over 140
poounds. IT is truly no wonder the boat sank. This is simply natures
way of cleaning out the fat. It is nothing to cry about. In fact I find
it somewhat humerous.

Look at your waste band? If your a stasticical average you are obese.
Perhaps you should have been aboard?
bob, freind to capt. neal and like minded fellows of
the sea.


Bob:
Judging by the literal content of your note and the way you compose your
words, you must be a child. I can see no other reason for your juvenile
diatribe.

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Having designed a lot of boats and struggled numerous times to meet
the stability requirements, I have a hard time seeing how that boat
would have been safe with a 50 pound passenger assumption. What were
they thinking?

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
news
Having designed a lot of boats and struggled numerous times to meet
the stability requirements, I have a hard time seeing how that boat
would have been safe with a 50 pound passenger assumption. What were
they thinking?
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Tour boats should have regular "certified" inspections. This should
eliminate tragedies like what happened on Lake George and also could have
prevented an accident on Georgian Bay, which involved a tour boat..

Here is the accident report for the Canadian tour boat that sank a few
years ago.

As a person involved in Marine design, you may find this interesting
reading.

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/mari...3/m00c0033.asp

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Report says all twenty who died drowned and that hypothermia or cardiac
arrest were not factors. Report makes it appear that sudden immersion in
cold water was not a factor.

Well, I wonder. My understanding is that when one is suddenly underwater
in cold water there is a reflexive intake of breath which causes
drowning.

Gogarty wrote:
Report says all twenty who died drowned and that hypothermia or cardiac
arrest were not factors. Report makes it appear that sudden immersion in
cold water was not a factor.

Well, I wonder. My understanding is that when one is suddenly underwater
in cold water there is a reflexive intake of breath which causes
drowning.


I wonder too, but in the absence of evidence that the coroner is a
raging incompetent and/or the reporters are blatant liars, what
conclusion can one reach? Classic hypothermia would have taken longer
anyway.

Certainly immersion in cold water didn't improve their health.

Anyway, the lesson here is: when you go on a tour boat (or ferry) take
the safety precautions seriously.

Too many people in this country stumble around like village idiots,
convinced that nothing bad can (or should) ever happen to them no matter
what stupid and/or self-destructive stunt they pull. Do I sound cynical?
This is not to say that tour boat operator... and especially the boat
making the wake... shouldn't be held liable... but those people are
going still be dead no matter what a court decides.

DSK