Correction: 50 passenger capacity not 100. And to answer a prior post,
the uscg does not have jurisdiction over lake george. it is not a uscg
inspected vessel. ny state does. who is to blame though for this
tragedy? perhaps gluttony.

"Meye5" wrote in message
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That boat was made in the 1950's when the average person weighed a
sensible 140 pounds, with its 100 passenger limit the boat was a
perfectly safe vessel to operate. Now with all the fat, today the
average amererican is a fat blubbery disgrace weighing WAAAAAY over 140
poounds. IT is truly no wonder the boat sank. This is simply natures
way of cleaning out the fat. It is nothing to cry about. In fact I find
it somewhat humerous.

Look at your waste band? If your a stasticical average you are obese.
Perhaps you should have been aboard?
bob, freind to capt. neal and like minded fellows of
the sea.


Bob:
Judging by the literal content of your note and the way you compose your
words, you must be a child. I can see no other reason for your juvenile
diatribe.

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Having designed a lot of boats and struggled numerous times to meet
the stability requirements, I have a hard time seeing how that boat
would have been safe with a 50 pound passenger assumption. What were
they thinking?

--

Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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Having designed a lot of boats and struggled numerous times to meet
the stability requirements, I have a hard time seeing how that boat
would have been safe with a 50 pound passenger assumption. What were
they thinking?
Roger Long

Hi Roger:

Tour boats should have regular "certified" inspections. This should
eliminate tragedies like what happened on Lake George and also could have
prevented an accident on Georgian Bay, which involved a tour boat..

Here is the accident report for the Canadian tour boat that sank a few
years ago.

As a person involved in Marine design, you may find this interesting
reading.

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/mari...3/m00c0033.asp

James D. Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

In article .com,
"Meye5" wrote:

Correction: 50 passenger capacity not 100. And to answer a prior post,
the uscg does not have jurisdiction over lake george. it is not a uscg
inspected vessel. ny state does. who is to blame though for this
tragedy? perhaps gluttony.

This is EXACTLY where the problem is. Not the "gluttony" but the State
of New York's inspection policies. If this were a USCG Inspected
Passenger Vessel, things would have been different. Stability, would be
only one of the things required for a USCG COI. Operators would be
required to hold USCG Small Passenger Ship Masters License. Ship would
need to be inspected annually for seaworthness. Radios would be
required, and they would need to be inspected once every 5 years, for a
Title III Part III SOLAS RadioTelephone Permit.
In the past, I have been involved with SOLAS Inspections, on both sides
of the Inspection, as well as USCG Courts of Inquirey, on sinkings of
SOLAS Required Vessels. These aren't very fun for the folks that are
left alive, but they do tend to get to the facts of the issue, and new
regulations, do come from such Findings.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Report says all twenty who died drowned and that hypothermia or cardiac
arrest were not factors. Report makes it appear that sudden immersion in
cold water was not a factor.

Well, I wonder. My understanding is that when one is suddenly underwater
in cold water there is a reflexive intake of breath which causes
drowning.

Gogarty wrote:
Report says all twenty who died drowned and that hypothermia or cardiac
arrest were not factors. Report makes it appear that sudden immersion in
cold water was not a factor.

Well, I wonder. My understanding is that when one is suddenly underwater
in cold water there is a reflexive intake of breath which causes
drowning.


I wonder too, but in the absence of evidence that the coroner is a
raging incompetent and/or the reporters are blatant liars, what
conclusion can one reach? Classic hypothermia would have taken longer
anyway.

Certainly immersion in cold water didn't improve their health.

Anyway, the lesson here is: when you go on a tour boat (or ferry) take
the safety precautions seriously.

Too many people in this country stumble around like village idiots,
convinced that nothing bad can (or should) ever happen to them no matter
what stupid and/or self-destructive stunt they pull. Do I sound cynical?
This is not to say that tour boat operator... and especially the boat
making the wake... shouldn't be held liable... but those people are
going still be dead no matter what a court decides.

DSK

Jim? "literal content of your note " ??
***plunk*** : )

There was nothing wrong with the stability of the boat. Why are you
blaming the vessel? It had been in use since the 1950's. The stability
issue has to do with accessive weight of the passengers. In
aviation...... the FAA considered the average human carcass to weight
170 pounds. That was in the 80's. I think it's actually higher now.
In the 1950's it was siginificantly lower. Weight in passeger
calculations weight and balance calculations are far more important in
aviation. You want to "supersize your order sir?" next time a
mcdonalds employee askes you that , think about the statistics before
you say "yes" The blame lies on human obesity. thats it.
bob, freind to capt. neil and like minded
fellows of the sea.

It would be more conclusive to have the drawings of this boat and to do a
tank test with a real size or a scaled down model. Correct me if I am wrong
but this boat has been in operation for decades without known incidents.
From looking at it on TV this boat does not project a nautical look The
geometric and gravity centers are hard to imagine. As for the weight
distribution theory it makes sense in a way but may not be solely the cause
of the capsize. The notion of profit and fuel cost may have contributed to
reduction of operating staff and increase passengers load per tour. I am
curious to know what where the requirements to obtain a boat tour permit
and insurance coverage's in this neck of the wood.


"Meye5" wrote in message
ups.com...
There was nothing wrong with the stability of the boat. Why are you
blaming the vessel? It had been in use since the 1950's. The stability
issue has to do with accessive weight of the passengers. In
aviation...... the FAA considered the average human carcass to weight
170 pounds. That was in the 80's. I think it's actually higher now.
In the 1950's it was siginificantly lower. Weight in passeger
calculations weight and balance calculations are far more important in
aviation. You want to "supersize your order sir?" next time a
mcdonalds employee askes you that , think about the statistics before
you say "yes" The blame lies on human obesity. thats it.
bob, freind to capt. neil and like minded
fellows of the sea.