RB

Not for nothing, but you could have headed-off the "you shouldn't be going"
response(s) by originally mentioning that you know the difference between
the pointy end and the other one. ;-)

Karin Conover-Lewis
s/v "Escapade"
1963 Rawson 30 Ketch

"RB" wrote in message
...
I just knew someone would say that "I shouldn't be going" blah blah blah. I
know how to sail. I currently do not have a boat, but was hoping I would
get some answers so I would be able to start thinking about what boat would
do me the best (without making a mistake the first time) since I have been
on land raising my family for a couple of decades...
For the other folks that answered me- give me some time to read through
the sites you sent me- if you can spare the time- please email me and
maybe I can ask you some questions directly:

Thanks,
RB

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"akcarlos" wrote:


RB wrote:
Just what is a blue water boat- size- sail plan- tankage- hull
material- and
so on?
My wife and I want to retire and do a circumnavigation just the 2 of
us.
What should I look for in a boat?
Rick in St Louis

If you don't know what you need to look for, you shouldn't be going.

Autopilot if there is only the two of you

Autopilots can be installed or replaced. Wind vane steering would be
better as there's less to go wrong with it.

grandma Rosalie

I would suggest that before you circumnavigate the world that you pick
something smaller to circumnavigate...like the Caribbean. You'll gain a
lot of insight into what works for you and whether or not you really
want to go around the world. You can find plenty of blue water boats in
Australia/NZ from people who thought that they wanted to circumnavigate
the world but got that far and decided that it wasn't for them.

There are lots of plus sides to doing this as. For example, you're not
that far away from the US when you decide that you need to come back to
the States and retrofit your boat...again...

-- Geoff


"RB" wrote in :

I just knew someone would say that "I shouldn't be going" blah blah
blah. I know how to sail. I currently do not have a boat, but was
hoping I would get some answers so I would be able to start thinking
about what boat would do me the best (without making a mistake the
first time) since I have been on land raising my family for a couple
of decades... For the other folks that answered me- give me some time
to read through the sites you sent me- if you can spare the time-
please email me and maybe I can ask you some questions directly:


Thanks,
RB

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
"akcarlos" wrote:


RB wrote:
Just what is a blue water boat- size- sail plan- tankage- hull
material- and
so on?
My wife and I want to retire and do a circumnavigation just the 2
of us. What should I look for in a boat?
Rick in St Louis

If you don't know what you need to look for, you shouldn't be going.

Autopilot if there is only the two of you

Autopilots can be installed or replaced. Wind vane steering would be
better as there's less to go wrong with it.

grandma Rosalie

Red Cloud® wrote:

On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:53:58 -0500, "RB" wrote:

I just knew someone would say that "I shouldn't be going" blah blah blah. I
know how to sail. I currently do not have a boat, but was hoping I would
get some answers so I would be able to start thinking about what boat would
do me the best (without making a mistake the first time) since I have been
on land raising my family for a couple of decades...
For the other folks that answered me- give me some time to read through the
sites you sent me- if you can spare the time- please email me and maybe I
can ask you some questions directly:

Thanks,
RB

Well I stand by my first answer. There's a big difference from doing
day sailing and/or racing and doing a circumnavigation. It's almost
not the same activity. Knowing how to sail is a MINOR part of what
you need to know.

I got the impression that you were asking for parameters that the boat
should meet. And equipment is a secondary part of this IMHO. I
thought that you wanted to know something about how to assess boats
that you might be looking at for soundness for your purpose. (see
below) You can always buy equipment and stick it on the boat. If
someone hadn't suggested an autopilot I would not have answered at
all.

But in this second addendum it sounds like you want recommendations
for specific boats to look at. Again IMHO that is going at it
backwards. But if you really want specific recommendations, go to the
SSCA (you might join if you can get someone to recommend you), and
look at the kinds of boats that people that are out there doing it are
sailing in and then look at those kinds of boats to see what they are
like.

I think it is going to be hard to find a boat in St. Louis. Most
bluewater boats are going to be in Southern California or on the
southern East Coast.


Based on the way you worded the question, and all the possible details you
didn't mention, I could have predicted it as well. Grandma Rosalie's answer to
the question "as asked" was entirely appropriate, and spot on.

The fact that you asked your question in such an unthinking manner would also
suggest that you may not have anywhere near what it takes to be a global
cruiser.

Get your act together and try again.

rusty redcloud

"Rosalie B." wrote in message
. ..
"akcarlos" wrote:


RB wrote:
Just what is a blue water boat- size- sail plan- tankage- hull material-
and
so on?

You can do bluewater sailing in almost any kind of boat. People do it
in wooden boats (the Pardeys for instance), in fiberglass boats and in
steel boats. People do it in monohulls and catamarans. They do it in
junk rigs, ketches, and sloops. Some of them don't even have engines.

Tankage depends on a bunch of things - do you have a water maker? Do
you have an engine?

My wife and I want to retire and do a circumnavigation just the 2 of us.
What should I look for in a boat?
Rick in St Louis

If you don't know what you need to look for, you shouldn't be going.

Autopilot if there is only the two of you

Autopilots can be installed or replaced. Wind vane steering would be
better as there's less to go wrong with it.

grandma Rosalie

Anyone can join the SSCA. You can only be a commodore if you live full
time aboard your boat and get recommended by another member. Personally
it's a membership that I don't wish to have as I like having a home for
hurricane season.

-- Geoff

Rosalie B. wrote in
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[big clips]

But if you really want specific recommendations, go to the
SSCA (you might join if you can get someone to recommend you), and
look at the kinds of boats that people that are out there doing it are
sailing in and then look at those kinds of boats to see what they are
like.

Geoff Schultz wrote:


Anyone can join the SSCA. You can only be a commodore if you live full
time aboard your boat and get recommended by another member. Personally
it's a membership that I don't wish to have as I like having a home for
hurricane season.

-- Geoff

We've been associate members for years. We still have a home for the
hurricane season.

One of the things they do is assess equipment periodically.

You also might join one of the email groups such as the live-aboard
list, the world_cruising list (which is a yahoo group) or the Yacht-L
list.

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

[big clips]

But if you really want specific recommendations, go to the
SSCA (you might join if you can get someone to recommend you), and
look at the kinds of boats that people that are out there doing it are
sailing in and then look at those kinds of boats to see what they are
like.

grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Geoff Schultz wrote:


Anyone can join the SSCA. You can only be a commodore if you live full
time aboard your boat and get recommended by another member. Personally
it's a membership that I don't wish to have as I like having a home for
hurricane season.

-- Geoff

We've been associate members for years. We still have a home for the
hurricane season.

One of the things they do is assess equipment periodically.

You also might join one of the email groups such as the live-aboard
list, the world_cruising list (which is a yahoo group) or the Yacht-L
list.

I should correct my statement. I am a SSCA member, but I'm not a commodore
and have no desire to be one...Definately one of those Rodney Dangerfield
groups in my book! :-)

-- Geoff

Geoff Schultz wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Geoff Schultz wrote:


Anyone can join the SSCA. You can only be a commodore if you live full
time aboard your boat and get recommended by another member. Personally
it's a membership that I don't wish to have as I like having a home for
hurricane season.

We've been associate members for years. We still have a home for the
hurricane season.

One of the things they do is assess equipment periodically.

You also might join one of the email groups such as the live-aboard
list, the world_cruising list (which is a yahoo group) or the Yacht-L
list.

I should correct my statement. I am a SSCA member, but I'm not a commodore
and have no desire to be one...Definately one of those Rodney Dangerfield
groups in my book! :-)

Rodney Dangerfield got no respect. Are you saying that SSCA gets no
respect? That wouldn't have been my take on the situation at all.

The OP does want to go offshore and could probably qualify eventually,
and in the meantime he can read in the Bulletin about people out there
doing it and see what kinds of boats they are using.

..
grandma Rosalie

Rosalie B. wrote in
:

Geoff Schultz wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote in
m:

Geoff Schultz wrote:


Anyone can join the SSCA. You can only be a commodore if you live
full time aboard your boat and get recommended by another member.
Personally it's a membership that I don't wish to have as I like
having a home for hurricane season.

We've been associate members for years. We still have a home for
the hurricane season.

One of the things they do is assess equipment periodically.

You also might join one of the email groups such as the live-aboard
list, the world_cruising list (which is a yahoo group) or the
Yacht-L list.

I should correct my statement. I am a SSCA member, but I'm not a
commodore and have no desire to be one...Definately one of those
Rodney Dangerfield groups in my book! :-)

Rodney Dangerfield got no respect. Are you saying that SSCA gets no
respect? That wouldn't have been my take on the situation at all.

grandma Rosalie

He also said that he would never be a member of any organization who
would have him as a member...

-- Geoff

Red Cloud© wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 22:30:12 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

I think it is going to be hard to find a boat in St. Louis. Most
bluewater boats are going to be in Southern California or on the
southern East Coast.


BTW, Grandma Rosalie, I know you keep track of CSY's for sale. Here's
one: http://www.csyforsale.com

rusty redcloud

Thanks - I know of the boat but I didn't know she was FS. Kind of a
steep price IMHO although she looks beautiful. .

grandma Rosalie

He also said that he would never be a member of any organization who
would have him as a member...

-- Geoff

I sent the club a wire stating, Please accept my resignation. I don't
want to belong to any club that will accept me as a member.

Groucho Marx.

http://www.groucho-marx.com/