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There are 200,000,000 of us only and only about 2 million of them. If
you haven't already thought about what you can do for the victims of
Katrina, take a few minutes and think through it. A little bit of help
from everyone will go a very long way.

People are getting sick, have injuries, and need help. There are many
that don't even have dry clothing, just the torn, wet rags they
escaped with. Anything you can do will help someone that is at this
moment, in despair.

Lots of people talk but it feels much better for everyone if you do. So
take a moment, please, and think about what you can do.

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"palmtreedreamer" wrote in
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There are 200,000,000 of us only and only about 2 million of them. If
you haven't already thought about what you can do for the victims of
Katrina, take a few minutes and think through it. A little bit of help
from everyone will go a very long way.


Go watch WWL-TV on http://www.wwltv.com/ and click on the live
broadcast.....

Then, go watch WLOX-TV in Biloxi on http://www.wlox.com/
You can't watch LOX live because there is no LOX TV station! But, WLOX has
some of the finest video footage of the storm areas on-demand from that
website. I've watched hours of helicopter flights over Coastal MS, today.

Coastal MS is GONE....nothing left....no people.....no buildings....gone!

Noone can get to the flood victims in New Orleans.

Question - Where is all this aid going to? Are we buying another Centrex
telephone system and paying off Red Cross bureaucrat salaries, like we did
in 9/11, again? The only thing I see from all the helo operation footage
from the TV stations down there is a few military police vehicles trying to
help the local cops keep the few victims left standing from eating each
other and stealing their neighbors' TVs and stereos. There's not one
"shelter" or "feeding station" or any kind of massive handout of
food/water/clothing or any kind of tent city in any of the footage. WLOX
did a piece on a fruit stand owner selling off his stock really cheap
before it spoils. There are very few people in any of these places, long
left for safer places where there's food/water/lodging/etc...... So?
Where's this money pot pouring into?

It's a question that needs to be addressed before the aid bureaucrats go
off stealing it again....

I did my part for the 9/11 victims, by the way. I asked a fire chief in
Manhattan to put me in touch with a dead fireman's wife so I could give her
DIRECT aid to help her immediately. He had her email me from her home in
NJ. I told her to send me her electric bill. I paid it for 6 months while
the NYFD bureaucrats were screwing about with her pension payments. I
contacted a local restaurant near her home on Thanksgiving when she told me
her parents were coming in from Ohio and tried to get them to cater
Thanksgiving Dinner for 3 adults and her kids. I tried to give them my
credit card number, but they refused. My victim got a Thanksgiving Dinner
surprise her family will never forget....it was on-the-house from the great
people at the little restaurant. Six employees showed up and served
dinner.

The feeling of doing something DIRECTLY is...............priceless!

Maybe I can do this again for someone DIRECTLY in LA or MS, a few months
from now when they are allowed to go home......but not now as there is NO
HOME TO GO HOME TO!

I'm still trying to follow this big money trail everyone is
creating...Something smells like a Red Cross Ripoff again.

--
Larry

God bless you for having such a big heart toward those well taken care
of people. Sleep well.

"palmtreedreamer" wrote in
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God bless you for having such a big heart toward those well taken care
of people. Sleep well.



Oops...wrong knee-jerk response. The money pouring in has NO PLACE TO GO!
There's NO PLACE TO SEND IT! Sending it to some national bureaucracy, like
Red Cross, gets absorbed.

Please don't think I'm heartless. My 9/11 story shows I'm not. If you
know any victims living in a hotel, send them money to the hotel to help
them pay the bills, by all means! But to just keep sending checks to the
bigshot bureaucrats with 6-figure paychecks is STUPID!

There needs to be an internet site NOT run by the bigshot aid bureaucrats
to connect donors DIRECTLY with victims stored in hotels/motels/shelters.
The bloggers should run it to prevent the great sucking sound of some
organization sucking off the funds. I've mentioned this to ham radio
groups, here, who have communications setup in public shelters in
Charleston. We should connect shelter victims with donors, directly, and
let them communicate assistance around all the middlemen sucking them both
off.

How much money do you think gets to that little poor, starving kid in
Guatemala when you send it to some preacher in the $1200 suit with plastic
hair wearing the Rolex, driving the Lexus and living in a waterfront
mansion in some exclusive resort with a big TV network? 1c on the dollar?
That much?

Americans with big hearts can be SO stupid.....

--
Larry

I'd agree it's best to find some way to directly contribute. I plan on
taking a bunch of old clothing etc. to the Astrodome today. Here is one
local foundation in New Orleans that I donated to:
http://www.braf.org/page25271.cfm
Here are some others:
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/USNSAHome.htm
http://www.redcross.org/

from craigslist.org

Help for Katrina Survivors

FEMA News: Cash Sought To Help Hurricane Victims, Volunteers Should Not
Self-Dispatch

Release Date: August 29, 2005

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Voluntary organizations are seeking cash
donations to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina in Gulf Coast states,
according to Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary of Homeland Security for
Emergency Preparedness and Response. But, volunteers should not report
directly to the affected areas unless directed by a voluntary agency.

"Cash donations are especially helpful to victims," Brown said.
"They allow volunteer agencies to issue cash vouchers to victims so they
can meet their needs. Cash donations also allow agencies to avoid the
labor-intensive need to store, sort, pack and distribute donated goods.
Donated money prevents, too, the prohibitive cost of air or sea
transportation that donated goods require."

Volunteer agencies provide a wide variety of services after
disasters, such as clean up, childcare, housing repair, crisis
counseling, sheltering and food....

(more info and links at fema.gov)

Donate:
American Red Cross
800-HELP NOW (435-7669) English
800-257-7575 Spanish America's Second Harvest
800-344-8070
Resources:
Hurricane Housing
(a service of MoveOn.org)
Donate and Volunteer:
Adventist Community Services
800-381-7171

Catholic Charities, USA
703-549-1390

Christian Disaster Response
941-956-5183 or 941-551-9554

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
800-848-5818

Church World Service
800-297-1516

Convoy of Hope
417-823-8998

Lutheran Disaster Response
800-638-3522
Mennonite Disaster Service
717-859-2210

Nazarene Disaster Response
888-256-5886

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
800-872-3283

Salvation Army
800-SAL-ARMY (725-2769)

Southern Baptist Convention -- Disaster Relief
800-462-8657, ext. 6440

United Methodist Committee on Relief
800-554-8583

Keith wrote:
I'd agree it's best to find some way to directly contribute. I plan on
taking a bunch of old clothing etc. to the Astrodome today. Here is one
local foundation in New Orleans that I donated to:
http://www.braf.org/page25271.cfm
Here are some others:
http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/USNSAHome.htm
http://www.redcross.org/


--
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http://home.comcast.net/~jonsailr

Maybe so. Sorry to snap but the way you put things seemed really quite
harsh.\
\
There are several companies that are matching whay people put it and
cash is the best thing because you don't need to truck it. (well if you
did it would be nicer)

In St. Thomas USVI lots of people got rich off of the Red Cross but the
RC was there to help. People would get 18 cook stoves by going to 18
outposts and then sell 17 on the black market. I know this to happen
but there are 100's that don't do that and actaully get help.

It doesn't matter how you do it, so long as you do it.

I am taking a trailor full of stuff there in a few weeks when it will
help with the rebuild. I am also thinking about stopping for 2 weeks
and doing some manual labor but I have a wive and 2 small kids that
might get in the way of it since there is a lack of places to stay and
we will be on our way from Ca to FL at the time.

I think $10 or more from everyone would just about fix the place and
make people whole again. It isn't much when everyone joins in. Most
people are trying hard just to take care of their own family so I
understand but just a little goes a long way.

Ford Motor Company is matching employees contributions to the Red Cross, I
gave $200. Those people need all the help we can give. If we as Americans
don't come fully to the aid of our fellow brothers and sisters, shame on us.
Paul Schilter

"palmtreedreamer" wrote in message
oups.com...
Maybe so. Sorry to snap but the way you put things seemed really quite
harsh.\
\
There are several companies that are matching whay people put it and
cash is the best thing because you don't need to truck it. (well if you
did it would be nicer)

In St. Thomas USVI lots of people got rich off of the Red Cross but the
RC was there to help. People would get 18 cook stoves by going to 18
outposts and then sell 17 on the black market. I know this to happen
but there are 100's that don't do that and actaully get help.

It doesn't matter how you do it, so long as you do it.

I am taking a trailor full of stuff there in a few weeks when it will
help with the rebuild. I am also thinking about stopping for 2 weeks
and doing some manual labor but I have a wive and 2 small kids that
might get in the way of it since there is a lack of places to stay and
we will be on our way from Ca to FL at the time.

I think $10 or more from everyone would just about fix the place and
make people whole again. It isn't much when everyone joins in. Most
people are trying hard just to take care of their own family so I
understand but just a little goes a long way.

"palmtreedreamer" wrote in
oups.com:

In St. Thomas USVI lots of people got rich off of the Red Cross but the
RC was there to help. People would get 18 cook stoves by going to 18
outposts and then sell 17 on the black market. I know this to happen
but there are 100's that don't do that and actaully get help.



In Charleston, SC, 1989, Hurricane Hugo, not one single "agency" or other
bureaucracy did a damned thing for anyone that I ever met or know,
personally. Nothing...NADA. We looked out for ourselves. We cleaned the
trees, wires, smashed cars and other debris out of the street in the
subdivision I was lucky enough to be a survivor in in Summerville, SC. It
took us 2 weeks of 10 hour days to cut our way out to the main entrance.
We ran out of gas a few times and had to scour for more dead cars to steal
fuel from to keep the chain saws running. No Red Cross bureaucrats were
ever seen in their shiny trucks, wearing their pseudo-military smart
uniforms advertising the company logos...nothing.

Once we were out of the neighborhood, we were going nowhere. The main
roads were still "waiting" for the "agencies". Right across from the main
entrance was a Scotchman convenience store/gas station full of gas with no
power. I had been powering the house I was staying in from the 7.5KW Onan
gas genset in their motorhome I was sleeping in with a haywire rig of cut
up lawn cables. We had plenty of power, even AC, water from their swimming
pool once I got the electric pump installed stolen from a neighbor's water
fountain. Before the storm, every vessel of every kind was filled in the
house, in the motorhome, in the garage. Drinking water wasn't a problem.
Even the bathtub was washed down, sanitized and filled with drinking, not
flushing, water. We drank it first because it was exposed. Noone got
sick. Noone needed water. We did have to refill the icemaker by hand
because the city cut off the water to stop us from flushing the toilets.
Well, I made a deal with the Scotchman owner/manager to provide him with
electric power during the day from the motorhome....in swap for full tanks
to power the house and all the neighbor's refrigerators stacked in the
garage all night. My friends we stayed with had a FREEZER STUFFED WITH
STEAK! Her parents were dairy farmers...(c; I still don't eat steak any
more...yecch.

This arrangement was modified to 4 hours per day and the owner and I
decided to keep one of his underground tanks 5000 gallons for ourselves.
It was a great arrangement for both of us. He sold off his stock that was
still good and got more, except perishables because I couldn't power the
big walkin cooler and his pumps out front at the same time. He continued
to provide me fuel even after we had procured a 20KW diesel genset which I
hooked to the station's power panel for him.

As to the "agency" which did my family and other families I know the most
good? I'd say the Bi-Lo Corporation, who owned the Bi-Lo food store by my
pet shop was probably our saviour as the food was running out a month after
the storm. Bi-Lo finally got huge tractor trailers full of water in gallon
jugs, reefer trucks full of ice and other trucks full of food in a constant
barrage of stuff into that store. I also had a hand in getting the store
back in operation.....

I had done a favor for some guys from Asplundt (sp?) Tree Service, who were
working 24/7 for the power company clearing the lines. My phone worked
when their truck died in front of the shopping center. Their radio died
with the truck battery. Seeing power come back on the main highway at
about 1.3 months after the storm, our shopping center's branch 23KV line
was still down. So, I camped out at the SCE&G local crew quarters for a
few hours hanging around the haggard-looking crews looking for a favor.
After I explained to the boss what I was after, he said he didn't have
anyone to do the tree work. I waited until I saw those tree guys I'd
helped drive in and called in my marker..(c; We cleared the trees and I
went back to the power company crew quarters to get a truck. I got two!
The manager of the Bi-Lo store was SO nice to me when all of a sudden all
those compressors in the back room just came to life! He just said, "You
come to me when you need groceries. I got plenty for you, now!"

No "agencies"....no "bureaucrats"....Thank you Bi-Lo Corporation. I've
never forgotten it, either. Precisely my point of the donations.
Charleston was SWIMMING in MONEY after Hugo, once we dug our way out of the
trees. Insurance money just POURED into this place. We missed 2
recessions everyone else suffered. We all got new roofs/houses/cars/stuff.

I never figured out what FEMA, SC Emergency Preparedness and the local
bureaucrats did. They didn't do anything for anyone I knew....

--
Larry

"palmtreedreamer" wrote in
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Maybe so. Sorry to snap but the way you put things seemed really quite
harsh.\


Talking about other people's money is a harsh affair. One has to ask hard
questions. I'm sorry if I offended.

I've done some net snooping and found some interesting items:
http://www.bloodbook.com/part-4.html
They're talking, mostly, about Red Cross' stranglehold on the blood
business, not paying taxes on its $51/unit profits ($11/unit commercially
after taxes). But, some relative numbers to our discussion show up here.
For instance:

"In Philadelphia, the Southeastern Pennsylvania Chapter of Red Cross
received 52 percent - or $3,173,506 - of its funding in 1988 from United
Way contributions. The chapter had total revenues of $6.1 million last year
and spent $885,036 on disaster services. Its largest expenditures were
nearly $1.6 million contributed to national headquarters in Washington and
$1.1 million for management and chapter activities."

It took $1.1M plus the "franchise fee" of $1.6M to run Philadelphia's Red
Cross? $885K on disasters is 14.5% of the total take of $6.1M. It's only
27.8% of your United Way contribution. A LOT of the rest, much more than
any relief it gave, went to "management and chapter activities", like those
$150,000 salaries they pay top bureaucrats. Is that fair? I think NOT.

I found this on another site run by the Red Cross, itself....

"•The Red Cross has continued to provide services and assistance to those
directly affected by the September 11 attacks, beyond the period covered in
the audited financial statements. As of November 1, 2002, the Red Cross had
received an unprecedented $1.052 billion in contributions (including $60
million of in-kind materials and services); $756 million of which has
already been disbursed. With these generous contributions, the Red Cross
already has provided:
o $276 million in direct assistance to 3,396 families of the deceased and
seriously injured;
o $280 million to approximately 51,000 families of displaced workers,
residents and disaster workers; and
o $139 million in immediate disaster relief that has provided an estimated
14 million meals, mental health services for approximately 236,000 people
and health services for approximately 133,000 people (including $40 million
of in-kind materials and services)."

Hmm...let's do the math. We took in $1052M and gave out $276M to 3396
families in 9/11. That works out to 26% of the take. Oddly, if you divide
up $276M by 3396 families you get $81,272/family. Do you really think they
were writing out checks for $81 grand to these people? That's an awful lot
of money for disaster relief, isn't it? Does anyone know how much money
someone actually got that they know about? Was it 81 grand?!

$280M went to families of displaced workers, residents and "disaster
workers". What disaster workers? Red Cross employees, perhaps? What
"displaced workers"? Are they victims or not? I don't think we can count
this pile as reaching the VICTIMS' families. Too vaguely veiled.

$139M went for 14,000,000 meals. Who ate 'em? Noone in the towers ate
'em. They all died! Noone in NYC ate 'em. All the restaurants and
grocery stores were open, right? Who ate 14,000,000 meals? Bangledeshis?
Wow! The shrinks took a big pot away...236,000 cases! 133,000 was the
doctors' cut. The biggest medical cases were probably from overeating the
14,000,000 meals I can't figure out who ate. There weren't "refugees" in
NY or DC. Mass shelters didn't open up to house disaster victims. Did the
cleanup workers, firemen and cops eat 'em? No...they went home and ate
Mom's cooking. Doesn't this sound even remotely "fishy"?

So, we're looking at Red Cross handing out, really, some where around 30-
35% of the $1,052,000,000 people sent them. Where is the rest of it stored
($736 MILLION plus all the interest it's been making) and when can we
expect it to BE SENT TO NEW ORLEANS, BILOXI, GULF PORT and the destroyed
parishes of MS and LA?..... Was it stolen?
That's just the "surplus" they didn't hand out to 9/11 victim families!

--
Larry
I keep hearing this great sucking sound. Don't you?

Larry wrote:
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No "agencies"....no "bureaucrats"....Thank you Bi-Lo Corporation. I've
never forgotten it, either. Precisely my point of the donations.
Charleston was SWIMMING in MONEY after Hugo, once we dug our way out of the
trees. Insurance money just POURED into this place. We missed 2
recessions everyone else suffered. We all got new roofs/houses/cars/stuff.

I never figured out what FEMA, SC Emergency Preparedness and the local
bureaucrats did. They didn't do anything for anyone I knew....

Somewhat similar experience up here two years ago when Hurricane Juan
hit. Six days & nights without electricity...cold showers etc.
All refrigerated food gone bad by day 3..... no help from anyone.
I replaced windows myself because I thought my insurance deductable
would equal the cost. Did go through auto insurance to replace van side
window smashed by tree limb. I should have had them repair roof. A
number of my shingles still look wrinkled & stained from branches.

Larry wrote:
In Charleston, SC, 1989, Hurricane Hugo, not one single "agency" or other
bureaucracy did a damned thing for anyone that I ever met or know,

You didn't get out much, did you?



... I was lucky enough to be a survivor in in Summerville, SC.

Not to belittle H. Hugo, but how many people died in Summerville during
Hugo?


... It
took us 2 weeks of 10 hour days to cut our way out to the main entrance.

Really? I visited friends in Summerville a week after. Goose Creek too.


.... No Red Cross bureaucrats were
ever seen in their shiny trucks, wearing their pseudo-military smart
uniforms advertising the company logos...nothing.

That's funny, there was both Red Cross and Nat'l Guard handing out water
in downtown Charleston a week after, and at least through the 2nd week.



Once we were out of the neighborhood, we were going nowhere. The main
roads were still "waiting" for the "agencies".

Larry, I don't know what kind of right-wing la-la land you were stuck in
after Hurricane Hugo... and apparently since then... but it doesn't bear
any resemblance to the Charleston that I saw.

I was there. You can bull**** a lot of folks, but don't try that with me.

Doug King

Doug,
Its not a right wing thing. I am as far right as you get and am on your
side with this. Some people have really had bad times and maybe from
his view, this is what he saw. . Some people use excuse not to help
others - lets hope that is not his game.

Make one point clear. This is not a Left/Right issue. It is an American
issue, a people need help issue and a lets do what is right issue.

There is one thing I have noticed in the news is a BIG way and it makes
me wonder. There are Christian chruch after church that has been
stepping up to help but I have not seen one thing about Jews or any
other religion (other then mormon) getting involved. I find that very
strange. I hope it is just a media thing.

palmtreedreamer wrote:
....
There is one thing I have noticed in the news is a BIG way and it makes
me wonder. There are Christian chruch after church that has been
stepping up to help but I have not seen one thing about Jews or any
other religion (other then mormon) getting involved. I find that very
strange. I hope it is just a media thing.

What an incredibly bigoted thing to write. I'd bet that most Jewish
congregations have already solicited their members for donations.

http://www.ujc.org/content_display.h...ticleID=161563
http://urj.org/relief/index.cfm?

Here in Boston, for example, Patriots owner Robert Kraft has pledged
to match donations from the players, and of course is part of the $2
mil donation from the NFL.

palmtreedreamer wrote:

snip total comment

Jeff wrote:

What an incredibly bigoted thing to write.

My first impression:

Where do people go to learn such hatred?

Lew

palmtreedreamer wrote:
Doug,
Its not a right wing thing. I am as far right as you get and am on your
side with this.

Possibly. If so, welcome.

It is however a "left-right thing" due to the politicizing of the event,
mostly from the far right. There is a huge slander & smear campaign
being ramped up against a group of politicians (they happen to be
Democrats what a coincidence) and a tremendous amount of buck-passing,
others-blaming, and just plain old spin coming directly from the Bush
Administration. They are even slandering various charities that they see
as "favored by the Left."

IMHO there is plenty of blame to go around. Should city authorities in
New Orleans have been better prepared, starting with years back? Yes,
definitely. Has the Bush Administration and it's various departments,
starting with "Homeland Defense" been caught napping, with a feeble,
slow response? Yes definitely. Should the American people get the heck
to work on getting the whole area devastated by Katrina back on it's
feet? Yes, and we should also stop accepting lame-ass excuses from our
elected leaders who have racked up enormous public deficits and have
nothing to show for it.



There is one thing I have noticed in the news is a BIG way and it makes
me wonder. There are Christian chruch after church that has been
stepping up to help but I have not seen one thing about Jews or any
other religion (other then mormon) getting involved. I find that very
strange. I hope it is just a media thing.


I have. I guess it depends on where you look. You certainly shouldn't
make such bigoted statements without a bit more research, it makes you
look like a fascist dumbass.

To the rest of the group- I apologize if this seems a bit over the top.
But I've been working on some relief efforts myself, been appalled as
the news gets worse and worse, taken aback by the response of the gov't
& by the foolish statements being made in public. The last straw is the
barking of these right wing attack dogs. It's gotten WAY out of hand,
and well past time to put muzzles on them.

Regards
Doug King

DSK wrote in
:

That's funny, there was both Red Cross and Nat'l Guard handing out water
in downtown Charleston a week after, and at least through the 2nd week.


Maybe the rest of us were above the poverty line?



--
Larry

DSK wrote in
:

Larry, I don't know what kind of right-wing la-la land you were stuck in
after Hurricane Hugo... and apparently since then... but it doesn't bear
any resemblance to the Charleston that I saw.

I was there. You can bull**** a lot of folks, but don't try that with me.

Doug King




I'm not bull****ting anyone and noone has posted anyone they knew,
directly, that these "agencies" had aided. There was no aid to anyone I
knew of until Bi-Lo rolled in those hundred trucks as soon as they could.

One radio report said there was water and ice at the now-defunct
Charlestowne Square Mall alonside I-26. They never made it. I waited for
four hours. That was the last time I went down to this poverty
neighborhood for a handout.

Attacking me will NOT change the financial situation with the Red Cross or
any other aid bureaucrats. You have money to donate, great! Do it to a
VICTIM you can help....But don't just hand it over to the Rolex Boys at the
National Red Cross to steal. That might make a touchy-feeley-good, but it
won't help some poor ******* from Biloxi, who doesn't have a home any more,
pay his hotel bill in Houston...where it's really needed.

--
Larry

Hey! palmtreedreamer is Danny Taddei, a long-time Usenet idiot who's
been driven from any number of groups over time for his idiocy. Just
ignore him. He usually goes away pretty quickly.

Frank

Bigoted? Man you read me wrong! I was making a comment about the Media
not showing anything. Perhaps you don't realize that I believe that Eve
is the mother of all men and WE are all of one race.

Yes you have the name right, no you have the idea wrong. Learn to read
more then the first 2 words and refer to the post above.

You're expecting a man with a job in a public world to somehow have
20/20 hindsight in advance. No one is to blame for anything! This is a
catastrophic disaster and it just happened. There are no planes flying
into buildings here. There are no balms planted in federal buildings.
Weather, that is at best a gamble to predict, kicked some serious butt
and that is all it amounts to.

If everyone evacuated on the command of someone and the storm did
nothing there would be hell to pay by those who commanded. There is
just no good way around this. It sucks no matter what you do.]

Something I don't think people are accounting for is that there are
so many people that have to give an ok before anything happens. On top
of that, there are mechanical things that get in the way of things
happening fast. As a for instance, I saw something about a navy medical
boat leaving Boston in a few days and the commentator complaining that
it was taking so long. I wonder if anyone knows that it takes about a
WHOLE WEEK to fire up the engines on a ship that uses heavy fuel oil!
Fist you get the pony generator up, then you get the main generator up
when the pony is warm enough, then you get the steam fired up that
flows down the pipes and heats the heavy fuel oil. Finally, after about
a week, the oil is thin enough to run through the pipes to get to the
cylinders.

Now, a ship may be the on standby, be half way warmed up already but it
would still take days to provision, and run the checklists. This thing
about people failing is a political thing no matter what side says
what. I think everyone did as much as they could as fast as they could.
No one wants people to die or property to be lost and everyone would
love to be the hero. It makes no sense to point fingers or place blame.


I made a comment about who is getting credit for helping and people
jump all over me for being a bigot. That is about as absurd a thing as
could be said. The media is again showing only what it wants to show
and that is what I was pointing out, but in the true spirit of man that
lives in the media industries, those with an agenda tried to make me
look like a bigot for only pointing it out. I have not seen anything
about anyone except Christians, Red Cross and Salvation Army. Have you?
Nothing about Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, nothing! Someone somewhere has
again placed an agenda and I suppose I should have predicted that
certain people would read only the worlds they wanted to and try to
make something of it. Notice the names of the people that are always
polarized on every political or spiritual issue.

Enough said. Judge yourselves and try to become better people. This
would be a good time to increase your self worth by helping others
instead of trying to boost your own egos.

And by the way, I don't go away - I go sailing all winter. there isn't
any internet out at the islands I am at.

God - you can read about it in Geneses

Did you really read it that way? I was trying to make a comment about
the media, not that I don't think others are helping. I was pointing
out that sides are being taken and they should not be.

Larry wrote:
I'm not bull****ting anyone and noone has posted anyone they knew,
directly, that these "agencies" had aided.

Go and re-read my post.

BTW FEMA had a direct hand in getting much of Charleston's water supply
back, I worked with a bunch of people who were on that job, but it
didn't happen that week and I didn't see it directly... just heard about
it from people I'm inclined to believe a lot more than your partisan BS.



... There was no aid to anyone I
knew of until Bi-Lo rolled in those hundred trucks as soon as they could.

Like I said, you should get out more. And listen to right-wing hate-talk
radio less. It's just soap opera mind-rot for angry white men.


Attacking me will NOT change the financial situation with the Red Cross or
any other aid bureaucrats.

What's wrong with the Red Cross, other than John Kerry made a big
donation to it?

Oh yeah, they were part of the publiciity from a bunch of 9-11 families
whose stories were unfavorable to Bush & Cheney. Therefor they attract
the ire of the right-wing slander/smear hit team.

Are you proud of jumping on this particular bandwagon?

Meanwhile, your highly partisan BS doesn't add a thing to your credibility.

DSK

palmtreedreamer wrote:
Bigoted? Man you read me wrong!

No, we have you right.

I was making a comment about the Media
not showing anything.

Do you think its the responsibility of the press to report the
religion of everyone who donates? Have you seen breakdowns listing
the donations of Irish-, Italian-, or Greek-Americans? How much press
coverage to think is appropriate considering that the Jewish
population is only about 1% of the US? I've been watching this
disaster unfold all week and I don't recall a single news report that
focused on, or even mentioned, the religion or ethnicity of donors.
Why does this concern you so?

If you go to local sites such as:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...olitan/3332401
you would find links to sites like:
http://www.houstonjewish.org/

Perhaps you don't realize that I believe that Eve
is the mother of all men and WE are all of one race.

And how does this justify your bigotry?

Lame lie. I see it in the news 24/7 - this group gave this, that group
gave the other. You're just a really dumb person. case closed, think
what you want, I know who I am so go live with yourself.

palmtreedreamer wrote:
Lame lie. I see it in the news 24/7 - this group gave this, that group
gave the other. You're just a really dumb person. case closed, think
what you want, I know who I am so go live with yourself.

Yes, we all know who you are.

BTW, are you seriously claiming that The American Red Cross is a
Christian agency??? You seem to be assuming that if the charity
doesn't have the word "Jewish" or "Islamic" in its name it is
exclusively Christian.

I never said the red cross was anthing to do with Christian. I said
that the Red Cross was getting lots of kudos, Christian groups were
getting lots of Kudos and NO ONE ELSE IS GETTING TALKED ABOUT! What in
the world is your problem with understanding. Do you just want to pick
a fight with someone? Don't you have something better to do with your
tije than make up stuff to get mad about?

Learn to read before you make such an ass out of yourself again.

palmtreedreamer wrote:
Lame lie. I see it in the news 24/7 - this group gave this, that group
gave the other.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/kat...elp.center/#dv

... You're just a really dumb person. case closed

We know what you are too, a person who jumps to bigoted conclusions
because he wants information to the contrary rammed down his throat
before he'll accept it (if then).

And you call other people dumb. Yeah that's smart.

3 guesses who this guy supported for President last year.

DSK

Dem, Rep, Ind, there you go - 3 guess. You're real smart.

Who is running this year? You must be a Psychic because I have not even
heard of a single person running yet. You have the intelligence of a
red brick and yet you are so arrogant.

If you want to know what my hates are in life it is stupid, self
indugent, self righteous people like you that hate to give charity,
love to spit out hate and jump on others with blame of it to make
yourself feel better.

You know you have never done anything for anyone. You can't have. You
spend all your time wasting it on crap like this. You are worthless to
mankind and have no education in the facts of real life. You hate me
and anyone else that actually cares. Take a good long look in your
mirror. Admire your piercing and tattoos because they are the only
thing that set you apart from anyone else. No one will remember any act
of kindness from you because there has never been one. You'll never
stop and change a tire for an old lady without thinking what's in it
for me!

You get me sick.

WaIIy wrote:
You have a short memory. Check out the 911 Red Cross scandal.

You mean that they held back a lot of donated funds, because there was
no obvious need for them in connection with Sept 11th and there *was* a
large need for them elsewhere? Yes, I remember that and I don't agree
100% with their actions.

I also remember that the Red Cross played a large part in publicity
unfavorable to the Bush Administration. And it seems to me that a lot of
very vocal people have a big gripe that Hillary & Kerry donated to the
Red Cross.

If you want to play at sticking pins into the Red Cross, better check
who ran it for years. Does the name "Dole" ring a bell?

Meanwhile, I'd much prefer to keep this discussion group focussed on
sailing & cruising. Please go back to your fascist buddies over at
rec.boats they miss your support.

DSK

palmtreedreamer wrote:
I never said the red cross was anthing to do with Christian. I said
that the Red Cross was getting lots of kudos, Christian groups were
getting lots of Kudos and NO ONE ELSE IS GETTING TALKED ABOUT! What in
the world is your problem with understanding. Do you just want to pick
a fight with someone? Don't you have something better to do with your
tije than make up stuff to get mad about?

Learn to read before you make such an ass out of yourself again.

Sorry Palm, I read your comment over and over and all I see is the
words of a bigot. You wrote:

"There are Christian chruch after church that has been stepping up to
help but I have not seen one thing about Jews or any other religion
(other then mormon) getting involved. I find that very strange."

Adding after that: "I hope it is just a media thing." is just a lame
path to backpeddle though.

If you don't understand why this is a bigoted thing to say, please
have a chat with your minister or priest.

Yeah, I'm sure you're just the panicle of comprehension.

If I said it wasn't meant to be bigoted and explained it, then why
would you not take me at my word?

If I wanted to say something, no matter what it is, I will say it. I am
not a bigoted person so I would not say something bigoted. The only
things I can't stand are stupid people that are arrogant. I don't even
mind stupid people as long as they are not arrogant.

Perhaps you should sit back and stop trying to read into something that
which is not there!

Give it a rest and stop showing your arrogance - since you already
exposed your level of understanding!

palmtreedreamer wrote:
Yeah, I'm sure you're just the panicle of comprehension.

I comprehend exactly what you meant when you said:

"There are Christian chruch after church that has been stepping up to
help but I have not seen one thing about Jews or any other religion
(other then mormon) getting involved. I find that very strange."

If I said it wasn't meant to be bigoted and explained it, then why
would you not take me at my word?

Because all you've done is claim you're not a bigot. Most bigoted
comments are followed by a disclaimer such as "I'm not a bigot, I just
noted that many [Jews, Blacks, Muslims, etc] ..."

If you were truly trying to make a different point, then you would be
quite apologetic that your remarks were interpreted as bigoted.
Frankly, if you really cared about the truth, you could have spent
about 15 seconds googling and found numerous case of Jewish groups
helping out, though it should be obvious that with the exception of
Houston there isn't a significant Jewish community close enough to do
much in the first few days other than raise money, nor do they have an
organization like the Salvation Army.

Here's one effort that was underway even before the storm hit:
http://www.hsjacobscamp.org/
This is a summer camp north of the coast that has been assisting
evacuees since the beginning.

And, of course in Houston:
http://houstonjewish.org/

With all of your denials, you've never admitted that perhaps you
original statement was flawed.




If I wanted to say something, no matter what it is, I will say it. I am
not a bigoted person so I would not say something bigoted.

My God, what an incredibly arrogant, stupid thing to say. You've just
given yourself total dispensation to say anything you want,
rationalizing it by claiming you're not a bigot. You certainly are a
piece of work!


The only
things I can't stand are stupid people that are arrogant. I don't even
mind stupid people as long as they are not arrogant.

Then how do you live with yourself?


Perhaps you should sit back and stop trying to read into something that
which is not there!

Actually, you've just proven I was right all along!


Give it a rest and stop showing your arrogance - since you already
exposed your level of understanding!

Yes Danny, in your little world anyone that points out your comments
are offensive must be arrogant.

Come visit my friends and those I live with and then call me a bigot.
Did it ever occur to you that some people don't think along those
lines? Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one with issues?

You're a willful fool.

"palmtreedreamer" wrote in message
oups.com...
Come visit my friends and those I live with and then call me a bigot.
Did it ever occur to you that some people don't think along those
lines? Did it ever occur to you that you may be the one with issues?

You're a willful fool.

You have friends with your attitude? Perhaps, but I'd prefer not to meet
those that lack the ability to conduct a bit of research on their agenda
before spouting forth, coupled with the inability to use spell check. By
the way, your "balm" is spelled "bomb".

Sorry I don't use spell check. I type right into google and post.

It is in poor form to miss quote as you have done and all the others
have done. It shows complete lack of any intelligence to attack in the
manor that you and the others have. You can't comprehend and at the
same time, commit yourself to literal record of mob mentality.

Comments about whom I will vote for and other non-related item shows
desperation, besides which, no one has announced candidacy yet! Don't
you people have a life or do you live in front of your computer for the
only form of entertainment you can afford or handle?

I've always thought that those that attack grammar and spelling as a
topic of strength are in fact the sorriest sort. I don't use a
newsreader other then google groups. If I miss spell, the meaning is
there but if you correct it, you have too much time on your hands.

Perhaps you should try learning to spell without the help of electronic
dictionaries. You may find a higher self worth.