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Palm tree, your a putz.
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A putz - In reference to what?
You must be a mind reader like the other illiterate, intimidated vicissitudes with nothing to say. As for the obtuse asinine that anticipate they can scribe into my sentence something that was never there, I say/write what I think and if I thought bigoted I would be clear about it. The fact is, I am only spiteful toward scum and stupidity that is combined with arrogance, like the stupidity and arrogance displayed around here. Singularly those things don't push my limits but around here all three are multitudinous. From time to time I browse here and find that MOST of you are do nothing, go nowhere, never had it and never will jealous people with no life trying to make up for it through purchases and long stories that you had nothing to do with. I find guys like you that realize that I am leaving shore so you think you can post a last post after I leave and be some sort of cyber star - surprise, I have wireless internet so long as I am in the states. BTW- do you know what putz means you artless flap-mouthed miscreant. It is a reference to a man with small genitals. You both knew that and have issues, or you are seriously lacking in ability to communicate efficiently. |
like I said, your a putz.
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"I wonder if anyone knows that it takes about a
WHOLE WEEK to fire up the engines on a ship that uses heavy fuel oil! Fist you get the pony generator up, then you get the main generator up when the pony is warm enough, then you get the steam fired up that flows down the pipes and heats the heavy fuel oil. Finally, after about a week, the oil is thin enough to run through the pipes to get to the cylinders". This is incredibly unaccurate information. Do you truly believe the US military uses ships that take a entire week to get underway? Your inaccurate statements aside. Your a complete ass and a moron. what a putz. just one of many examples Palm tree, one hit wonder, (we all should wonder about...) |
Do you have any idea what heavy fuel oil is? If you ever have walked
down a beach and had tar stick to your feet then you have seen heavy fuel oil! It is completely accurate. When is the last time you worked on a ship? Anyone here that has will be laughing at you about now! You're so stupid you don't even know you're stupid. |
One more thing, your always wondering if anyone knows this or that.
where is the part where you open up your thick skull and absorb some real knowledge. You know so000 little but assume everyone else in this newgroup is a moron. I am just tired of inferior asses like you. Next post from you will be something like "do you even know what a skull is??" You truly are a putz. |
"Do you have any idea what heavy fuel oil is?" What kind of moronic question is that? Yes I have walked down the beaches in Bermuda and had tar stick to my feet but if you think that is heavy fuel that is like comparing fresh coffee to the goop sitting in a coffee pot for a month. If you call that goop coffee than knock yourself out and drink it up. Learn some basic chemistry if you even know what chemistry is. "when was the last time you worked on a ship?" I am a retired engineer. I worked for a company that did contract work for the US Navy. I have been on PLENTY of ships in Norfolk. No of course I dont know what fuel oil is how could I??? I'm so stupid I dont even know what a ship is. You putz. You never did answer my question though and you wont. But I will ask it again. Do you really think the US Navy and the US military would use ships that require an entire 7 day period to get underway?? They would be sitting ducks. Yes I am so stupid I dont even know I am stupid, My wife tells me that every day but at least I dont prove it almost daily on this newsgroup as you do to my once amusement, and now aggravation. |
I am a retired engineer. Did contract work with the US Navy.Yeah I'm a
total moron. Yes I know what heavy fuel is. Yes Ive had tar stick to my feet at the beach in Bermuda. Heavy fuel oil is not tar. It can BECOME tar but if you think that crap your stepping in is the same as heavy fuel its like comparing fresh morning coffee to goo thats been sitting in a coffee pot for a month. You want to drink that **** and call it coffee? Help yourself. When was the last time YOU worked on a ship? Only one laughing is me at you. Speak for yourself not for others. When you cant stand on your own two feet and defend yourself and say "we" and "everyone" Its a true sign of a putz. you are an ass and a moron. You prove it quite frequently in this newsgroup. Again I ask you, do you really think the US military would use ships that take a whole week to get underway? That is moronic. They would be sitting ducks. You never answer any question I pose when I hard line you. Why cuz you dont know the answer your full of hot air and I call your bluff constantly. You have no foot to stand on . You 1 hit wonder. |
Palmtree dreamer writes:
"I wonder if anyone knows that WHOLE WEEK to fire up the engines on a ship that uses heavy fuel oil! Fist you get the pony generator up, then you get the main generator up when the pony is warm enough, then you get the steam fired up that flows down the pipes and heats the heavy fuel oil. Finally, after about a week, the oil is thin enough to run through the pipes to get to the cylinders". "do you even know what fuel oil is?When is the last time you worked on a ship? Anyone here that has will be laughing at you about now! You're so stupid you don't even know you're stupid." Yes I am a retired engineer, that makes me stupid moron. my response: Nearly all navy surface combat ships use General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines for main propulsion and the VAST majority of naval ships use similar gas turnbine engines The LM2 500 is based upon the CF6-6 engine (commercial version used on DC-10 aircraft) and the TF-39 engine (military version used on C-5 aircraft). Both the CF6-6 and TF-39 engines were developed in the 1960's. They dont run on coffee pot goop and they don't have pistons. What did you think Bush was going to send a world war two liberty ship? Hey what do I know, according to you I don't know what a putz is. You putz. |
Palmtree dreamer writes: "I wonder if anyone knows that WHOLE WEEK to fire up the engines on a ship that uses heavy fuel oil! Fist you get the pony generator up, then you get the main generator up when the pony is warm enough, then you get the steam fired up that flows down the pipes and heats the heavy fuel oil. Finally, after about a week, the oil is thin enough to run through the pipes to get to the cylinders". ??? Not on any steam ship I've ever been on. The ships that still burn bunker oil (a minority, since the low price of it is more than offset by increased boiler maintenance) fire up a "donkey boiler" first to provide steam to heat the ready service tank (can take a few hours but always less than 6 AFAIK), then fire up the main boilers and bring them on line (can take an hour or two). Most steam ships burn a variant of higher grade fuel very similar to marine diesel. In fact, US Navy steam ships *do* burn marine diesel fuel. Meye5 wrote: Nearly all navy surface combat ships use General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines for main propulsion and the VAST majority of naval ships use similar gas turnbine engines You know what? That doesn't include the MSC ships (pre-positioned supplies) nor the hospital ships, all of which have steam plants. In short, you're both stupid clowns who don't know half as much as you think you know. Good bye. Doug King, ex-BT1(SW) that means steam engineer |
NO - The next post will be some links for you to try and learn from:
HEAVY FUEL OIL 101!~ http://www.nrtee-trnee.ca/eng/progra...vyFuel_2_E.htm http://www.steamesteem.com/index.html?boilers_fuel_oil http://www.steamesteem.com/index.html?fuels http://www.steamesteem.com/index.html?controls You NO NOTHING about these things and you should learn from those of us that are educated. You are willfully stupid and that is the worst thing anyone could be |
What kind of moronic
question is that? One directed to a moron! Yes I have walked down the beaches in Bermuda and had tar stick to my feet but if you think that is heavy fuel that is like comparing fresh coffee to the goop sitting in a coffee pot for a month. Where do you think that "tar" comes from? Learn some basic chemistry if you even know what chemistry is. Look up my last name and then look back 1959 - 1969 Dow Chemical's top management. When you read through the Vice Presidents you might find something interesting. Then, come back to me with an off group email and I will send you a little information about few awards I achieved and where to confirm that information. Then you can eat my shorts. - You just stepped in a big pile! "when was the last time you worked on a ship?" I am a retired engineer. I worked for a company that did contract work for the US Navy. I have been on PLENTY of ships in Norfolk. No of course I dont know what fuel oil is how could I??? You don't know what it is and I don't believe you have had any time on a big ship, 9or at least anywhere near the fuel system. You seem to think it is the same thing as light diesel. It gets thick and that is why you need to steam it. Read all about it at the links I posted in the previous response. You really should make sure you feet are tied down next time you open you flapper. I'm so stupid I dont even know what a ship is. You're right about that! You never did answer my question though and you wont. But I will ask it again. Do you really think the US Navy and the US military would use ships that require an entire 7 day period to get underway?? They would be sitting ducks. BOZO- I was talking about a medical ship leaving Boston. You should learn to read! The ship uses HEAVY FUEL OIL and had been SHUT DOWN before its call! Yes I am so stupid I dont even know I am stupid, My wife tells me that every day but at least I dont prove it almost daily on this newsgroup as you do to my once amusement, and now aggravation. You're a loser caught in your own crap. It's hard to believe that anyone with your mentality could be married. I, by the way, don't make a habit of posting 4 times in a row. I would think that even you would be able to sum it up in at least 2 posts. Even better, you rant about the same things in the other posts. You claim the heavy fuel oil dose not need to be thinned? Try learning something before you try and teach it. Here are a few words from one of the links I posted - http://www.nrtee-trnee.ca/eng/progra...vyFuel_2_E.htm "HFO is a low-grade fuel primarily used in industrial boilers and other direct source heating applications (i.e., blast furnaces). It is also used as a principal fuel in marine applications in large diesel engines. Given its high boiling point and tar-like consistency, HFO typically requires heating before it can be moved through pipes or dispensed into a boiler or other heating vessel to be burned. HFO is the least expensive of the refined oil fuels and can only be used by facilities that have preheating capabilities. HFO is typically high in sulphur and other impurities that are released into the air when the fuel is burned. All you had to do was type in HFO or heavy fuel oil into google and you would never have made such an ass out of yourself! Some "engineer" you must have been. You are willfully stupid and arrogant to boot., You are the lowest form of life on this planet in my eyes and you are a laughable joke to anyone that knows what HFO is or what an engineer is supposed to know. If you were an engineer for anyone, I am sure you were fired in the first day of work. You also claimed that nearly all navy ships use turbine gas. Many navy ships are contracted from the merchant marines and are not Navy at all. They are whatever they are and some are even steam drive - yes you read that right. There is a ship that supplies basses in the Maldives area that runs off of steam. One of my best friends was a real engineer about a real boat there that runs off of steam. That was why he took the job, for the experience. But, then again, I don't recall saying anything about a Navy ship anyway. You just thought that ships run off of diesel since that is all you have seen in your little marina. |
I wish you should read what I wrote before you include me with that
idiot. The reference was to a hospital boat that runs on HFO, had been shut down as a non-op, and in fact only had portside insurance on it. My statement was that the media was complaining that it took nearly a week to get it going. Anyone that knows ships knows that you have to first, get orders/charters/papers or whatever. Second, you need to get a crew. Lastly, you have to start it up and run the checklist before you set sail. A week is very fast to do all that, don't you think? Please don't say you disagree with that. |
Putz, your post was about taking a week to fire up the piston engines
with fuel oil, nothing about orders, charters, papers or "whatever" checklist lol. you just proved your self a idiot to two people. as far as Doug King he can call me a idiot all he wants I worked on the LM 2500 . You need to know when to quit palm tree, even a idiot knows when to lay down when hes been hit to many times. |
You said: "You know what? That doesn't include the MSC ships (pre-positioned supplies) nor the hospital ships, all of which have steam plants. " Yes your right but. I said: Nearly all navy surface combat ships use General Electric LM2500 gas turbine engines for main propulsion and the VAST majority of naval ships use similar gas turnbine engines" that means the VAST majority. not all, MSC ships and hospital ships are a small % of the fleet. |
palmtreedreamer wrote:
The reference was to a hospital boat that runs on HFO Sorry but according to NAVSEA there are no naval ships in US service that burn HFO or bunker oil. Haven't been since the early 1980s. ... My statement was that the media was complaining that it took nearly a week to get it going. AFAIk the complaints were that it took a week for the orders to be cut. ... Anyone that knows ships knows that you have to first, get orders/charters/papers or whatever. On many steam ships, first you have to wrap up ongoing repairs and off-line maintenance. That's one big reason why steam ships are out of favor nowadays. ... A week is very fast to do all that, don't you think? Shucks, the destroyers I steamed for Uncle Sam occasionally got under way with two hours notice. On one memorable occasion (which I'd rather forget) we went from a complete tear-down of all 4 boilers to getting underway within 30 hours. As a civilian contractor on MSC ships, I often worked on the big steam plants and conducted training for the crews. A week to get underway... unless there was a really serious problem... would produce a blast from the top brass... if this is what happened, the contractor should be dropped and made to pay a non-performance penalty. On Topic- anybody ever think of cruising in a steam boat? At one point I was contemplating putting a small steam plant in an old sailboat I owned, burn trash for fuel! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
Again, you should read. Go BACK and read what I wrote. You've been
answered. How many times are you going to ask the same question? Do you think that posting it many times will make you look smarter? - I take that back. At this point, anything would make you look smarter. |
Meye5 wrote:
... as far as Doug King he can call me a idiot all he wants No, I don't *want* you be an idiot. You just seem to have the talent for it. ... I worked on the LM 2500 . I never said you didn't. Congratulations. But why does it matter when the ship(s) in question are steam powered? DSK |
that's right. it took a week to fire up the boat and get it going. I
wasn't the captain or reporter. I made a statement about the press making a big deal about how long it took to get a ship moving and I added my 2 cents about why. You are still trying to qualify your stupidity. You chase me from post to post in group to group. You're one sicko and should seek help. |
Sorry but according to NAVSEA there are no naval ships in US service
that burn HFO or bunker oil. Haven't been since the early 1980s. " sorry indeed. You must know every medical boat there is then and all of them must be navy. "AFAIk the complaints were that it took a week for the orders to be cut"" Not the same ship- "On many steam ships, first you have to wrap up ongoing repairs and off-line maintenance. That's one big reason why steam ships are out of favor nowadays. " yes - so? "Shucks, the destroyers I steamed for Uncle Sam occasionally got under way with two hours notice. On one memorable occasion (which I'd rather forget) we went from a complete tear-down of all 4 boilers to getting underway within 30 hours. " You're trying to tell me that a mothballed ship can go from nothing to underway in 30 hours? Get real! 'As a civilian contractor on MSC ships, I often worked on the big steam plants and conducted training for the crews. A week to get underway... unless there was a really serious problem... would produce a blast from the top brass... if this is what happened, the contractor should be dropped and made to pay a non-performance penalty." Again, you must not get the picture. The ship in question was non-op. Not just at port. Is there any way you can really say you think a ship that has been sitting, doing nothing, with no crew, without any insurance, can sail that fast? I think you are missing something - no I am sure of it. I am not slamming you here, I don't think I would have read through that long flame either but read this now. The ship was non-op when call to service! |
Sorry but according to NAVSEA there are no naval ships in US service
that burn HFO or bunker oil. Haven't been since the early 1980s. " palmtreedreamer wrote: sorry indeed. You must know every medical boat there is then and all of them must be navy. Sigh. How to begin, when it's clear that you know so very little about the subject? Maybe from this angle... how many hospital ships do you suppose the U.S. has? Sure, we've got a big Navy, but how many? A thousand? A hundred? Ten? http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/.../ship-hos.html The answer is two. Both are operated under Navy authority by civilian contractors. So it isn't hard to guess what ship they're talking about and what kind of propulsion plant it has. You're trying to tell me that a mothballed ship can go from nothing to underway in 30 hours? Get real! Second, there is a big difference between "mothballed" and an active duty ship that doesn't happen to be underway at the moment. The web site cited above says that the ships can be "fully activated" in five days and from my own experience, that seems likely to be a contracted maximum. In other words, Uncle Sam knows that we might need these ships on short notice, and so they pay contractors (like me, except that I'm not in that particular type of engineering any more... too many nights away from home) to keep the ships maintained, do repairs when needed, and keep a small crew active. Third, that's five days from the time orders are cut. Now, a question of judgement: when is the time to order a hospital ship to active status & to begin steaming towards a disaster area? When the disaster is a hurricane which gives perhaps a week's warning, maybe the time to get these things in motion is *before* it actually hits, hmmm? Or do you think it's better to wait 4 or 6 days after it hits, just to be sure? ... I think you are missing something Think what you like. I've been there, done that, and you obviouosly don't have a clue. Bye. Oh wait, one last bit of advice... better google these things in the future, it's very easy to get a few basic facts before you plunge off the deep end. DSK |
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palmtreedreamer wrote:
I wish you should read what I wrote before you include me with that idiot. The reference was to a hospital boat that runs on HFO, had been shut down as a non-op, and in fact only had portside insurance on it. My statement was that the media was complaining that it took nearly a week to get it going. Anyone that knows ships knows that you have to first, get orders/charters/papers or whatever. Second, you need to get a crew. Lastly, you have to start it up and run the checklist before you set sail. A week is very fast to do all that, don't you think? Please don't say you disagree with that. You should think twice before saying "read what I wrote," it generally makes you look like even more of an idiot. You said that the ship was in Boston, but there are no Navy facilities in Boston, other than the SS Constitution museum area. It is possible that one of the hospital ships was in for a visit, but I certainly would have noticed if there was a navy ship of any type "shut down as a non-op" in Boston. Perhaps this is the story you're thinking of: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...ck=1&cset=true |
palm tree you constantly, relentlessly , unwaiveringly prove yourself
THE putz. |
"Oh wait, one last bit of advice... better google these things in the
future, it's very easy to get a few basic facts before you plunge off the deep end. " I agree, if your going to argue about ANYTHING at least get some basic facts right , googling helps Putz,, especially if your arquing against several people who have actual expertise. YOu remind me this neighbor kid who is 12 and is an "expert" on everything. Kid cant even drive a car yet but he is an expert on them. oh well. You cant arque with a idiot so I let the kid think he knows more. |
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