In article , Larry
wrote:

Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well,
often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're drunk.

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Larry

Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios.
All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License.

Bruce in alaska
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In article , Larry
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The CG does a fairly good job policing Channel 16 and 22A. I've never
heard them say anything to the cursing shrimpers on the other channels like
10 or the pleasure boat channels. They don't listen to them.

--
Larry

You can add Marine Ch 13 to that as well....

Bruce in alaska
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L. M. Rappaport wrote:

No flame, Larry, but can you document that? References, please. I
always thought there were far more violations on CB, particularly
since callsigns are required and I never heard them. Of course that
is anecdotal. Those violators don't seem to be pursued by the FCC,
but that doesn't mean they aren't violating the law. Thank you.
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Larry (W1HJF - Amateur Extra Class)
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

Callsigns haven't been required on CB for many years. They were
eliminated when the FCC Granted a Nationwide Blanket License for
CFR95 SubPart D Citzens Band Radio Service.

See CFR95.417 (a) for Identifacation Rule


Bruce in alaska who wonders if W1HJF actually has a copy of
47CFR80-End which includes both Part 95
AND Part 97, which he is REQUIRED to have.....
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"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
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In article , Larry
wrote:

Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well,
often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're
drunk.

--
Larry

Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios.
All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License.

Bruce in alaska
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Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside
US waters.

Doug in Maryland

Doug Dotson wrote:
"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...

In article , Larry
wrote:


Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like CB....well,
often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're
drunk.

--
Larry

Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios.
All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @


Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside
US waters.

Doug in Maryland


....and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the
station licenses are gone.

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 16:00:24 -0400, Larry wrote (with
possible editing):

L. M. Rappaport wrote in
:

No flame, Larry, but can you document that? References, please. I
always thought there were far more violations on CB, particularly
since callsigns are required and I never heard them. Of course that
is anecdotal. Those violators don't seem to be pursued by the FCC,
but that doesn't mean they aren't violating the law. Thank you.
--

Larry (W1HJF - Amateur Extra Class)


There aren't any violations on CB. FCC gave up...(c;

I don't find any "list" I can point you to, even on the FCC's website.
Let's see, Richard whatzizname and the other idiots on 14.303, FZ in Puerto
Rico's a prime example. If you go through the old ARRL mags where they post
the troublemakers and look up the calls, that would give you an indication.

Again, no flame intended, but what you're saying is purely anecdotal;
i.e., your opinion. Because the FCC is not enforcing CB violations
does not mean that they are not breaking the law. There was a period
of time when there was very little enforcement of amateur radio
regulations as well. My recollection was that amateurs were the ones
to ask for enforcement and Riley Hollingsworth (a ham himself as I
understand it, although I could well be wrong) restarted the effort
for the FCC.

I guess I just have to disagree. I still use cw occasionally, and
then like to stay in that bottom 25 khz of the band where the traffic
and qrm is light. I have no quarrel with those of you who think
that using that segment isn't worth the effort, but please don't
generalize about extra class license holders. At least don't
generalize without evidence.
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Larry (W1HJF)
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

L. M. Rappaport wrote in
:

I guess I just have to disagree. I still use cw occasionally, and
then like to stay in that bottom 25 khz of the band where the traffic
and qrm is light. I have no quarrel with those of you who think
that using that segment isn't worth the effort, but please don't
generalize about extra class license holders. At least don't
generalize without evidence.
--


Oh, I've never said CW should be eliminated. It's part of ham radio
antiquity. I do advocate, as part of the stupid bandplan caste system's
demise and a switch to one ham license for all, that CW be CONFINED to the
bottom 25 Khz of each band, because up in the phone bands the only reason
they pound away on CW is to use it as a phone band jamming device. Use CW
in the phone bands and we bust your chops for $10K, no exceptions. CW
should NOT have access to the entire band because of the way the old
codgers use it for jamming. Problem solved. REAL CW operators only use
the bottom of the bands, anyways.

One place I'd like to see the bands change for obvious technical reasons is
10 meters. It is very hard to put a 10M FM repeater up because the FM is
confined to such a small part of the band that 100 Khz is all the
separation possible. This makes duplexing terribly costly. A more sane
bandplan, which only needs FCC to DE-regulate 10M from this archaic
nonsense, would be if the FMers were to have repeater inputs at the top of
the band, say 29.2 to 29.7, and repeater outputs down in the CB DX band
from 28.0 to 28.5. This much wider split would allow us repeater
operations on 10M that didn't cost as much as a Lexus. 10M FM is great fun
on DX repeaters when the bands are open. Move the simplex modes, including
CW up the band 500 Khz, which makes no difference in their operations at
all, once you get past the "we always done it this way" nonsense and egos.

ARRL sponsored segregation of one ham being "better" in some stupid,
artificial way, like just because he was on the air and grandfathered in as
an Extra when the ARRL sponsored segregation started, causes a lot of
childish jealousy and friction. Many, not all but many ego-inflated Extras
cause a lot of trouble and friction for the vast army of good hams, running
many of them off the band who don't wish to play such games. Ham radio
suffers from this nonsense and needs to end it before it dies of old age.
ARRL simply perpetuates these flaws with their business-as-usual stance.
FCC has become more independent of ARRL influence, noticing how few members
ARRL now has. It's a step in the right direction....(c;

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Larry

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in
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Larry is just ****ed that he never was able to pass his Extra exam.




Better go check W4CSC on qrz.com, Douggie. I've been a ham since 1957 and
an Extra since 2000-something when I could take the test without the CW
stupidity I never use....(c;


--
Larry

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 23:09:50 GMT, Bruce in Alaska
wrote (with possible editing):

In article ,

....snip

Callsigns haven't been required on CB for many years. They were
eliminated when the FCC Granted a Nationwide Blanket License for
CFR95 SubPart D Citzens Band Radio Service.

They were eliminated because the FCC was unable to enforce the
provision.

See CFR95.417 (a) for Identifacation Rule


Bruce in alaska who wonders if W1HJF actually has a copy of
47CFR80-End which includes both Part 95
AND Part 97, which he is REQUIRED to have.....

Well, that's news to me. As an amateur radio operator, I am required
to have a current copy of Part 97 which I do. Part 95 refers to the
Personal Radio Service. It happens I have a copy of those regulations
along with Part 80, 87, 90 and 101 but only because I hold a
commercial license as well, although I don't have them memorized. Like
many others, I use a service which keeps everything updated, although
one can refer to them at http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html or go to
http://www.access.gop.gov/nara/cfr/index.html, then browse, and then
look for current year updates in the Federak Register.

--

Larry W1HJF
Email to rapp at lmr dot com
--

Larry
Email to rapp at lmr dot com

"Don White" wrote in message
...
Doug Dotson wrote:
"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...

In article , Larry
wrote:


Nonsense. Marine VHF has no license at all and it's not like
CB....well,
often....until their drunk. Ham radio is worse than CB when THEY're
drunk.

--
Larry

Actually, the above is only true for Non-commercial Marine VHF Radios.
All Commercial Marine Radios REQUIRE a Radio Station License.

Bruce in alaska
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add a 2 before @


Even recreational boats with VHFs require a license if operating outside
US waters.

Doug in Maryland


...and of course Canadians require an operators license, although the
station licenses are gone.

U.S. requires an operator license as well.