In article ,
Dave wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 07:41:00 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz) said:

That's a bit disingenuous. His argument is that the main is further forward,
giving better balance when sailing under main alone. Whether the argument is
valid of not, deal with that argument not a straw man.

Davey, the fact is that there is no material difference between
sailing under a masthead rig or a fractional rig on main alone. I have
not observed any difference in balance, and I've sailed on both kinds
of boats many, many times. The only thing that's disingenous is your
claim of understanding of the situation when you have no
understanding.

First of all, Jonathan there's no reason in the world for your use of the
diminutive "Davey." I had hoped that KFing you in .asa would be sufficient
to dispose of your childish behavior, and that you might perhaps conduct
yourself as an adult in this group. A vain hope, apparently, so into the
trash bin you go in this group as well.

Actually, I was being nice. You've called me far worse. Feel free to
Kfing me here also. You're very good at that.

Second, please read what I said, rather than what you imagined I said. I
took no position at all as to whether the claim was a valid one. (Note the
language "whether the argument is valid or not.") "The situation" I dealt
with was simply the poster's failure to respond to the argument being made
by the original post, and instead making up a fictional argument of his
own--a technique known as a "straw man."

Keep your lawyer talk to yourself. The fact is that there is no
significant difference w.r.t. sailing on a main with a fractional rig
or a masthead rig.




--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 15 Jul 2005 18:07:31 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

Link:

Rigging and Sails Links

http://www.tpo.net/sailing/rigging.htm

Link:

http://www.sailmaker.com/articles/index.htm

"Articles

This section of the web site is a collection of
informational/educational articles intended to help you understand
sailing better.

If you feel parts of the articles are confusing, or if you have ideas
for future articles, please send in your suggestions.

* Glossary of terms.
* Mainsail Articles
o Full-length battens - A Rational Discussion
o Reefing and un-reefing mainsails
* Spinnaker Articles
o Steering on a Windy Run - how waves interact with a
sailboat
o Gybe Central is the focal point for various articles on
gybing.
o Downwind Sails for cruising sailors, with setting and
dousing tips.
o Spinnaker Tips and tricks for long distance Ocean Racing.
o Adding a Bow Pole for an asymmetric spinnaker to a Cal 39
* Roller Furling Jibs
o Prevent the destruction of roller furling jibs while your
boat sits in its slip.
o Tedlar Films for UV covers...do they work?
* Spreader Patch Installation Guide
* CAD-CAM Using computers for design and manufacture of sails.
* OPEN 60 Class yachts -- are not all the same!
* Emergency Rudder installation suggestions and examples.
* Stepping a mast on an Antrim 27 (and similar deck-stepped rigs).
* Wyliecat 48 It is not every day we are asked to build a sail
like this!
"

On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:53:48 GMT, (Mic) wrote:

On 15 Jul 2005 18:07:31 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

Mo' Links
Interesting

Sail Shape Tips
6 September 2004

http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/tips.htm

http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/sail101.htm

"Sailing 101

The fundamentals of sailing are simple. However, if someone doesn't
tell you how it's done, it could be a mystery for a long period of
time. The answer in one word is balance and our sailing balance is the
diagram below. Everything that's dynamic like flying and sailing or
even holding a baby appears to be difficult at first. Once you
understand the psychics involved in any process, the process becomes
less difficult and maybe even easy. I still can't get the hang of
inline skates, but I think bent knees may be the secret. "

In article ,
Mic wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 05:53:48 GMT, (Mic) wrote:

On 15 Jul 2005 18:07:31 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

Mo' Links
Interesting

Sail Shape Tips
6 September 2004

http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/tips.htm

http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/sail101.htm

"Sailing 101

The fundamentals of sailing are simple. However, if someone doesn't
tell you how it's done, it could be a mystery for a long period of
time. The answer in one word is balance and our sailing balance is the
diagram below. Everything that's dynamic like flying and sailing or
even holding a baby appears to be difficult at first. Once you
understand the psychics involved in any process, the process becomes
less difficult and maybe even easy. I still can't get the hang of
inline skates, but I think bent knees may be the secret. "

Again, good links, but not particular to fractional vs. masthead with
main alone.



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

On 15 Jul 2005 23:48:39 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:


Again, good links, but not particular to fractional vs. masthead with
main alone.

Mo' Links:

http://www.marinearchitecture.com/fo...8&page=1&pp=15

http://cruisersforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=830

http://www.boatersed.com/forum/topic...=63707&#452116

http://www.geocities.com/bill_dietrich/BoatRigging.html

http://www.transitionrig.com/feedback.htm

The above is a discussion and rather lenghty

http://www.jutson.com/articles/oct96.html
BALANCE - THE FINE ART OF EASY SPEED

http://www.uksailmakers.com/encyclop...yclopedia.html
" UK's Encyclopedia of Sails
-- Index

Search UK's Encyclopedia of Sails:





* Chapter 1
o Forward
o Introduction
o How to Buy a Sail
o Rig Dimensions
* Chapter 2
o Sail Cloth
o Sail Cloth Fiber Comparison
* Chapter 3
o Sail Construction Methods
* Chapter 4
o Mainsails
o Genoas and Other Jibs
o Spinnakers
o Asymetrical Spinnakers
o Cruising Spinnaker (The UK Flasher)
o Dousing Sock (The UK Stasher)
o Staysails
o Drifter
o Blast Reacher
o Storm Sails
* Chapter 5
o Main Sail Trim
o Genoa Trim
o Sailing to Telltails
* Chapter 6
o Spinnaker Trim
o Spinnaker Jibes
o Spinnaker Douses
* Chapter 7
o Cruising Spinnaker Handling
o Cruising Spinnaker Trim
o Cruising Spinnaker Jibes
* Chapter 8
o Tuning Your Rig
* Chapter 9
o Sail Care
o Applying Spreader Patches
* Chapter 10
o Glossary"

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...lb oats&hl=en

For the PDF Version with good diagrams TRY

http://www.j22.co.za/pdf/howdosailswork.pdf

"Masthead Rig. On a masthead rig, where the forestay is
attached to the top of the mast and both sails taper to
basically zero chordlength at their heads in a similar
fashion, the interference effects of the sails on each other
are similar along the entire height of the mast. The mainsail
ends up being rather tightly trimmed all the way up because
of the genoa’s downwash, and the genoa gains from
favorable upwash all the way up.
Fractional Rig. A fractional rig has the more compli-cated
characteristic that the top of foresail is not as high as
the top of the mainsail. This means that the top of the
foresail is very close to the front of the mainsail at a height
where there is still an ample amount of chordlength in the
mainsail. As the foresail luff approaches the mainsail luff,
the upwash on the foresail due to the mainsail increases,
because the low pressure behind the mainsail has more
affect the closer the flow gets to it. This causes the top of
the foresail to experience even more upwash and contributes
to a fractional rig’s foresail being trimmed more twisted
than a masthead rig’s foresail.
The top of the main on a fractional rig extends well
above the foresail, leaving the upper portion of the mainsail
free to experience the apparent wind without the downwash
interference of the foresail. Apparent wind toward the top
of the mast comes from a much higher angle, so the mainsail
above the foresail experiences much higher wind angles
than the lower portion of the mainsail where the genoa is
causing substantial downwash. This change in flow angle
with height on a mainsail is quite dramatic with a fractional
rig and leads to trimming a fractional rig’s mainsail with
more twist than a masthead rig’s mainsail."

In article ,
Mic wrote:
On 15 Jul 2005 18:07:31 -0700, lid (Jonathan Ganz)
wrote:

Link:

Rigging and Sails Links

http://www.tpo.net/sailing/rigging.htm

Link:

http://www.sailmaker.com/articles/index.htm


Nice links... thanks.


--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."