Stephen Trapani wrote in
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The key problem on a boat is the child needs to have opportunities to
explore what interests them. This could present some major challenges to
the homeschooling parent on a boat.


There's the point. Maybe the child doesn't WANT to live on the boat
without his friends, particularly his girlfriend, without his bike, without
a real neighborhood full of other kids to socialize with.
But...alas....DADDY DOES and he's forced to go. He may not tell Daddy he
doesn't want to live on that cramped little isolated island in the middle
of nowhere because he'll cause a fight, hurt daddy's feelings, etc.....but
he's lost interest in the novelty...no TV...no internet...no friends...no
school activities...just living on that deserted desert island of
fiberglass.

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and your outlined in
chalk.

Larry W4CSC wrote:

Stephen Trapani wrote in
:


The key problem on a boat is the child needs to have opportunities to
explore what interests them. This could present some major challenges to
the homeschooling parent on a boat.



There's the point. Maybe the child doesn't WANT to live on the boat
without his friends, particularly his girlfriend, without his bike, without
a real neighborhood full of other kids to socialize with.
But...alas....DADDY DOES and he's forced to go. He may not tell Daddy he
doesn't want to live on that cramped little isolated island in the middle
of nowhere because he'll cause a fight, hurt daddy's feelings, etc.....but
he's lost interest in the novelty...no TV...no internet...no friends...no
school activities...just living on that deserted desert island of
fiberglass.


Yeah, I'm against that.

--
Stephen

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interpretation of its terms, such that it turns out true, and
some sufficiently wide interpretation such that it turns out
false...concept stretching will refute *any* statement, and will
leave no true statement whatsoever.
-- Imre Lakatos

Larry,

"just living on that deserted desert island of fiberglass."

Wow! Based on what you wrote below are you sure that you ever want to go
cruising? Seems to me that kids on a real cruising boat have a lot of
opportunities to meet and socialize with kids. What they don't have is
the opportunity to fall in with the wrong crowd and end up stealing cars
or selling drugs to their school chums.

I'll grant you that a "normal" teenager who has been raised on cable TV,
no homework, and unlimited internet/cell phone will be pretty bored while
the boat is getting moved.

BTW, while I was growing up I didn't WANT to live on a farm and have to do
farm chores while my friends were watching TV. I didn't WANT to run a tractor
and harvester through the summer while my friends were lounging around down
at the swimming pool. Looking back now though, I see that I'm better off
for it, and I'm glad that my dad was wiser than I was.

Usually, what kids WANT isn't all that good for them. I'll bet that most
people who ask will find out that their kids don't WANT to go to school. I
know I didn't ;-)

And BTW, I've never noticed kids being shy about telling Daddy when they're
unhappy either.

YMMV,

Don W.

Larry W4CSC wrote:

There's the point. Maybe the child doesn't WANT to live on the boat
without his friends, particularly his girlfriend, without his bike, without
a real neighborhood full of other kids to socialize with.
But...alas....DADDY DOES and he's forced to go. He may not tell Daddy he
doesn't want to live on that cramped little isolated island in the middle
of nowhere because he'll cause a fight, hurt daddy's feelings, etc.....but
he's lost interest in the novelty...no TV...no internet...no friends...no
school activities...just living on that deserted desert island of
fiberglass.

Well, Larry definitely has an idee fixe about homeschooling and I'm not
gonna continue arguing. I will say that if that's how you perceive the
parent/child relationship, you have my sympathy.

As for the isolation and success stuff, even though nobody supplied me
with their definition (Except a couple of folks seemed to imply that
"success" was getting a job as a mushroom in a cube farm. Not my idea
of success but de gustibus non disputandum, eh?), I seem to remember a
homeschooler/sailor named something like Robin Lee Graham (Had a little
boat named "Dove." Ring a bell for anyone?), who sailed completely
alone (not even domineering parents for socialization, oh my!) but
still somehow managed to make friends in various places around the
world and even met a girl and got married! Mais jamais de ma vie!

The things that can happen on a "deserted desert island of fiberglass."
Amazing, huh?

"Frank" wrote
.....I seem to remember a
homeschooler/sailor named something like Robin Lee Graham (Had a little
boat named "Dove." Ring a bell for anyone?), who sailed completely
alone (not even domineering parents for socialization, oh my!) but
still somehow managed to make friends in various places around the
world and even met a girl and got married! Mais jamais de ma vie!

Where did he get the boat? How did he earn a living - especially in his
doteage?

Vito,

You don't really want answers; you just wanna confirm your position
that homeschoolers are unworthy of being hired by you. Fine. If you're
doing the hiring, you can set the standards. And feel free to continue
to think that homeschoolers are engaging in selfish behavior, compared
to those who farm their kids out to the school system all day every
day. You wanna have kids, you should be responsible for them and make
some effort on their behalf. You wanna pursue your lame career instead,
you shouldn't have had 'em. (A grandparent and still working? Not very
"successful," are you?)

Just FYI, Graham returned to the US and was accepted to Stanford. This
is, of course, after he wrote his book and worked on several
photographic assignments for National Geographic. Guess National
Geographic isn't as picky as you are in their hiring practices.

He didn't like life at Stanford; and he and his wife moved to Montana.
I have no idea what he's doing nowadays. OTOH, the Colfax family sent
their kids to Harvard and Yale from their homeschooling goat farm in
Northern Callifornia. (_Homeschooling for Excellence_ by David and Miki
Colfax.)

But you're gonna choose to look at any example given about "successful"
homeschooling as a case of abusus non tollit usum. I have other things
to do than sit here and beat this dead horse; so I'm gonna go do 'em.

Happy sailing!

Frank

"Frank" wrote
You .... just wanna confirm your position
that homeschoolers are unworthy of being hired by you.

That is untrue. I have nothing against home schooling provided the
schooling is adequately documented, thus providing the kids with the
credentials needed to get into colleges and to find employment. If a kid
were homeschooled, accepted at an accredited university and obtained a
degree I would give him/her the same consideration as anyone else. What I
am trying to do is to warn parents that these credentials will be needed so
they can aquire them as they go along. If your kid shows up to compete for a
job and has to check the "no" box under "HS Diploma?" on the application
he's going to be at a serious disadvantage no matter how well his mama
schooled him. If you care about your kids that won't happen but you'll have
to do the right things at the right times.