Larry W4CSC wrote:
"Vito" wrote in
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I've done a lot of hiring for well-paying jobs. Employers want
credentials. Your home-schooled kid may be better educated than the
product of PS101 but do you have a paper that says so, or that (s)he
has any education at all. And if I'm to compare several candidates I
want to see scores on standardized tests.




And, armed with the information this applicant lived the first 15 years of
his life on a fiberglass island like a hermit....would you think he'd fit
into a busy office, factory, "department" in a large, heavily-populated
business? I wouldn't.

Home schooling's isolationists are bad enough. Pile that on top of living
with those independent-minded hermits at the dock and I think you're doing
serious damage to the poor kid. Take him on a cruise, by all means! But
make him live years on a boat....NOT.

It's almost unspeakably sad, if not revolting, that some of the above
posters have actually been, or are, PARENTS. But they would never
understand WHY.

"prodigal1" wrote
Vito wrote:
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And if I'm to compare several candidates I want to see scores on
standardized tests.

The results of standardized testing provide only at best a simplistic ....

But they are the best we have. Suppose I have 5 or 6 ap's for one trainee
job. I don't have time to do an in-depth background check then interview
each of them. I'm going to pick 1 or 2 that look the best based on their
job ap and resume. If 1 or 2 have diplomas with high grades I'll interview
them and if that goes well hire one of them. The rest won't even get
interviewed. That's life.

Larry,

"just living on that deserted desert island of fiberglass."

Wow! Based on what you wrote below are you sure that you ever want to go
cruising? Seems to me that kids on a real cruising boat have a lot of
opportunities to meet and socialize with kids. What they don't have is
the opportunity to fall in with the wrong crowd and end up stealing cars
or selling drugs to their school chums.

I'll grant you that a "normal" teenager who has been raised on cable TV,
no homework, and unlimited internet/cell phone will be pretty bored while
the boat is getting moved.

BTW, while I was growing up I didn't WANT to live on a farm and have to do
farm chores while my friends were watching TV. I didn't WANT to run a tractor
and harvester through the summer while my friends were lounging around down
at the swimming pool. Looking back now though, I see that I'm better off
for it, and I'm glad that my dad was wiser than I was.

Usually, what kids WANT isn't all that good for them. I'll bet that most
people who ask will find out that their kids don't WANT to go to school. I
know I didn't ;-)

And BTW, I've never noticed kids being shy about telling Daddy when they're
unhappy either.

YMMV,

Don W.

Larry W4CSC wrote:

There's the point. Maybe the child doesn't WANT to live on the boat
without his friends, particularly his girlfriend, without his bike, without
a real neighborhood full of other kids to socialize with.
But...alas....DADDY DOES and he's forced to go. He may not tell Daddy he
doesn't want to live on that cramped little isolated island in the middle
of nowhere because he'll cause a fight, hurt daddy's feelings, etc.....but
he's lost interest in the novelty...no TV...no internet...no friends...no
school activities...just living on that deserted desert island of
fiberglass.

{off topic mode on}

See, now this is what really bothers me about the current political
chasm in the world. All sides seem to be ignorant of history, and make
extreme hyperbolic statements to support their opinions.

The REAL Reich imprisoned, tortured, and murdered somewhat more than
10 MILLION people over a period of about four years. That is a documented
fact of history.

I don't particularly like where the US and the world are headed right now
either, but equating the USA with the German Reich is purely hyperbole.
Perhaps you prefer the methods of the "Islamic" extremists which include
car bombing civilians, and sawing the heads off of live prisoners??

prodigal1 wrote:

???coming reich???
baby, you're living it and you don't even know it.

{off topic mode off}

Cruising is how I hope to travel while avoiding removing my shoes for the
security line. {OTMBOn} Which, BTW, I wouldn't have to do if "muslim"
Richard Reid hadn't tried to murder an entire airplane load of civilians
with the bomb hidden in his shoes. Sheesh!! {OTMBOff}

My idea of cruising is to travel to the peaceful places in the world where
they are not getting caught up in the current troubles between the western
and islamic worlds.


Don W.

Well, Larry definitely has an idee fixe about homeschooling and I'm not
gonna continue arguing. I will say that if that's how you perceive the
parent/child relationship, you have my sympathy.

As for the isolation and success stuff, even though nobody supplied me
with their definition (Except a couple of folks seemed to imply that
"success" was getting a job as a mushroom in a cube farm. Not my idea
of success but de gustibus non disputandum, eh?), I seem to remember a
homeschooler/sailor named something like Robin Lee Graham (Had a little
boat named "Dove." Ring a bell for anyone?), who sailed completely
alone (not even domineering parents for socialization, oh my!) but
still somehow managed to make friends in various places around the
world and even met a girl and got married! Mais jamais de ma vie!

The things that can happen on a "deserted desert island of fiberglass."
Amazing, huh?

Vito wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote

I did answer him, but maybe you'll like this better:

http://www.home4schoolgear.com/famoushomeschooler.html

http://users.safeaccess.com/olsen/famous.html


All old & out of date - from times when everybody was home schooled.

Pardon my saying, but you seem to have a bias against homeschooling. Why
else would you snip out the third link I provided, which had more
modern examples? Why else would you ignore the plethora of twentieth
century ("the age of schooling") examples in the two links above?

Even on these very incomplete lists you can see there have been plenty
of successful homeschoolers, no matter how you measure "success."

I'm an employer also. What matters most to me is past work experience

.....

homeschoolers would do well on such tests. Why wouldn't they?


Homeschoolers may do well IF they take the tests in a proctored environment.
Do they?

Definitely. I have personal experience with a child who was entering
fourth grade after being homeschooled entirely previous to that. In
standard tests, for placement, he scored at or above his age group in
every category. He got straight 'A's the whole year in school. I've
heard numerous similar stories.

I believe most colleges want to see High School transcripts before admitting
students to degree programs. Is this not true? If so, where do
homeschoolers get them. Will colleges believe parents?

Many many colleges and universities accept homeschoolers aplenty. Here's
a partial list. Note Harvad, Yale and the like are on the list:

http://learninfreedom.org/colleges_4_hmsc.html


Most job req's I see begin with "A degree in XXX from an accredited
institution plus ..." Even sub-professional jobs want a high school diploma
or GED. I guess homeschoolers can begin with a GED but the assumption tends
to be that the candidate had a problem with school.

Some jobs do require college degrees. As you can see above,
homeschoolers who want such degrees shouldn't have any trouble getting
into good universities. And don't forget, for the majority of good jobs,
a college degree is superfluous.


Homeschoolers may be better educated but if I have five ap's for one job
(typical) I'll begin by interviewing the one who looks best- and, other
things being equal, that won't be the guy with a GED. If the 1st or 2nd
applicant seems good I'll hire him/her and send the rest dear john letters.
Tain't fair but .... That's why I believe you may be hurting your kids
futures by not getting them the credentials they'll need. If you can home
school AND get the credentials by all means do so.

It makes sense if you're excluding drop outs, but if you are excluding
those who are homeschooled, surely you are making a big mistake.


Stephen

Vito wrote:
I don't have time to do an in-depth background check then interview
each of them....

jeezus Vito, if _you_ don't have the time to do your due diligence...who
will? and if you don't...

Don W wrote:
snipola

Don,
You want to take me to task for responding to whatsisname's OT political
comments?
puhllleeeeze
spare me defensiveness
do go cruising on that boat of yours
I think you'll find that the further you get away from the noise, the
clearer your perspective will be on current events

Stephen Trapani wrote in
:

Pardon my saying, but you seem to have a bias against homeschooling. Why
else would you snip out the third link I provided, which had more
modern examples? Why else would you ignore the plethora of twentieth
century ("the age of schooling") examples in the two links above?


I'd be his "bias" is the bias of EVERY person sitting in the HR chair
hiring people to work for every corporation in the country. Be it true or
not, homeschooling is associated with religious fanaticism, isolationists
and those religious hermits down the street that never mow their lawn....

If the kid were Albert Einstein, homeschooled, we'd probably have had to
wait for relativity a while longer. Read about the life and troubles of
one of the real geniuses of the electric age, Nikola Tesla. Tesla never
had the credentials the HR department was looking for. He was just a
genius immigrant boy from Eastern Europe competing against academia's
golden haired boy, Thomas Edison. If it weren't for George Westinghouse
seeing that genius and capitalizing on it, your house would run on
batteries from Edison Electric (GE).... Tesla didn't attend the "right
schools" in the "right places" with the "right people"....

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.

Don W wrote in
m:

The REAL Reich imprisoned, tortured, and murdered somewhat more than
10 MILLION people over a period of about four years. That is a
documented fact of history.


Oh, boy....this'll make the thread EXPLODE!
http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/
http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

There....that'll rile 'em....(c;

--
Larry

You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in
chalk.