After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be owned
by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S. citizen
crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various clubs that
rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in charter fleets in
the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although I'm pretty sure they're
owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering if there is some
distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning to the same port, but
even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several clubs that have multiple
facilities.

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JG wrote:
After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be owned
by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S. citizen
crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various clubs that
rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in charter fleets in
the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although I'm pretty sure they're
owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering if there is some
distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning to the same port, but
even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several clubs that have multiple
facilities.

Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however,
apply to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A
daysail, or "cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight
to a nearby US port is not. You should probably consult with the
local CG to find out their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on
board a documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign
built" law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what
conditions have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible.
It travels with the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for
sale" add that says "comes with Jones Act Exemption."

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be
owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S.
citizen crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various
clubs that rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in
charter fleets in the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although I'm
pretty sure they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering if
there is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning to
the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several
clubs that have multiple facilities.

Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however, apply
to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A daysail, or
"cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight to a nearby US
port is not. You should probably consult with the local CG to find out
their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on board a
documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign built"
law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what conditions
have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible. It travels with
the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for sale" add that says
"comes with Jones Act Exemption."

Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.

Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented vs.
non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?

I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.

--
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www.sailnow.com

JG wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...

JG wrote:

After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be
owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S.
citizen crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various
clubs that rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in
charter fleets in the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although I'm
pretty sure they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering if
there is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning to
the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several
clubs that have multiple facilities.


Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however, apply
to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A daysail, or
"cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight to a nearby US
port is not. You should probably consult with the local CG to find out
their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on board a
documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign built"
law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what conditions
have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible. It travels with
the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for sale" add that says
"comes with Jones Act Exemption."


Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.

Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented vs.
non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?

I thought it applied equally to doc'd and non-doc'd vessels.
Otherwise I wouldn't have doc'd my foreign-built vessel. The
exemption can only be had for doc'd vessels.

BTW, have you ever seen a club launch or watertaxi that was not built
in the US?



I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.


A wise move.

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
...

JG wrote:

After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be
owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S.
citizen crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various
clubs that rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in
charter fleets in the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although
I'm pretty sure they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering
if there is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning
to the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several
clubs that have multiple facilities.


Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however,
apply to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A
daysail, or "cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight to a
nearby US port is not. You should probably consult with the local CG to
find out their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on board
a documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign built"
law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what conditions
have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible. It travels
with the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for sale" add that
says "comes with Jones Act Exemption."


Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.

Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented vs.
non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?

I thought it applied equally to doc'd and non-doc'd vessels. Otherwise I
wouldn't have doc'd my foreign-built vessel. The exemption can only be
had for doc'd vessels.

BTW, have you ever seen a club launch or watertaxi that was not built in
the US?

Actually, I've never thought to check. I have a friend who runs a watertaxi
in the delta. I'll have to give him a call.


I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.


A wise move.

Definitely, but it's just as a point of information, since we don't have a
club launch or water taxi.

JG wrote:
: "Jeff" wrote in message
: ...
:: JG wrote:
::: "Jeff" wrote in message
::: ...
:::
:::: JG wrote:
::::
::::: After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes
::::: require that vessels used to transport cargo and passengers
::::: between U.S. ports be owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S.
::::: shipyards, and manned by U.S. citizen crews... it seems like this
::::: doesn't really apply to the various clubs that rent boats. Many,
::::: if not most, of the boats that are in charter fleets in the US
::::: are foreign made (Bene's and such), although I'm pretty sure
::::: they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering if there
::::: is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning to
::::: the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold for
::::: several clubs that have multiple facilities.
:::::
::::
:::: Bene's aren't made in the US?
::::
:::: The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does,
:::: however, apply to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US
:::: ports. A daysail, or "cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but
:::: an overnight to a nearby US port is not. You should probably
:::: consult with the local CG to find out their interpretation or if
:::: they care.
::::
:::: IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on
:::: board a documented vessel.
::::
:::: Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign
:::: built" law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly
:::: what conditions have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is
:::: eligible. It travels with the vessel when sold, so sometimes you
:::: see a "for sale" add that says "comes with Jones Act Exemption."
:::
:::
::: Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.
:::
::: Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented
::: vs. non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?
::
:: I thought it applied equally to doc'd and non-doc'd vessels.
:: Otherwise I wouldn't have doc'd my foreign-built vessel. The
:: exemption can only be had for doc'd vessels.
::
:: BTW, have you ever seen a club launch or watertaxi that was not
:: built in the US?
:
: Actually, I've never thought to check. I have a friend who runs a
: watertaxi in the delta. I'll have to give him a call.
::
:::
::: I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.
:::
::
:: A wise move.
:
: Definitely, but it's just as a point of information, since we don't
: have a club launch or water taxi.

hmmm...
headers look ok, but surely not...
can this ganz netKKKoping ****head finally have learned how to not top-post?

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In article , Jeff
wrote:

I thought it applied equally to doc'd and non-doc'd vessels.
Otherwise I wouldn't have doc'd my foreign-built vessel. The
exemption can only be had for doc'd vessels.

BTW, have you ever seen a club launch or watertaxi that was not built
in the US?



I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.


A wise move.

Jones Act applies to any vessel with a USCG COI for Passengers, or
Freight, or any vessel that is SOLAS Required.


Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Bruce in Alaska wrote:
In article , Jeff
wrote:


I thought it applied equally to doc'd and non-doc'd vessels.
Otherwise I wouldn't have doc'd my foreign-built vessel. The
exemption can only be had for doc'd vessels.

BTW, have you ever seen a club launch or watertaxi that was not built
in the US?



I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.


A wise move.


Jones Act applies to any vessel with a USCG COI for Passengers, or
Freight, or any vessel that is SOLAS Required.


Bruce in alaska
I would agree, but it also applies (I think) to uninspected vessels.

How about sailing instructors, the majority of which do
not have USCG licenses, but they are taking people out
for hire. My boss would not sign off on my documentation
for 151 days of sailing time because he was afraid he'd get
busted by the USCG!

"JG" wrote

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be
owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S.
citizen crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various
clubs that rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in
charter fleets in the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although
I'm pretty sure they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm wondering
if there is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and returning
to the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold for several
clubs that have multiple facilities.

Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however,
apply to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A
daysail, or "cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight to a
nearby US port is not. You should probably consult with the local CG to
find out their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on board
a documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign built"
law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what conditions
have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible. It travels
with the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for sale" add that
says "comes with Jones Act Exemption."

Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.

Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented vs.
non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?

I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.

--
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www.sailnow.com

I think it's fairly unlikely that the CG would bother, but I can understand
his situation.

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www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
How about sailing instructors, the majority of which do
not have USCG licenses, but they are taking people out
for hire. My boss would not sign off on my documentation
for 151 days of sailing time because he was afraid he'd get
busted by the USCG!

"JG" wrote

"Jeff" wrote in message
...
JG wrote:
After a read of this... The Jones Act and related statutes require that
vessels used to transport cargo and passengers between U.S. ports be
owned by U.S. citizens, built in U.S. shipyards, and manned by U.S.
citizen crews... it seems like this doesn't really apply to the various
clubs that rent boats. Many, if not most, of the boats that are in
charter fleets in the US are foreign made (Bene's and such), although
I'm pretty sure they're owned and operated by US citizens. I'm
wondering if there is some distinction between "between U.S ports" and
returning to the same port, but even that seems like it wouldn't hold
for several clubs that have multiple facilities.

Bene's aren't made in the US?

The Jones act doesn't apply to uncrewed charters. It does, however,
apply to 6-Pak type charters, if they travel between US ports. A
daysail, or "cruise to nowhere" is probably exempt, but an overnight to
a nearby US port is not. You should probably consult with the local CG
to find out their interpretation or if they care.

IIRC, Jaxie used this to claim that a US citizen must always be on board
a documented vessel.

Small documented vessels can receive an exemption to the "foreign built"
law for the modest extortion of $300 - I forget exactly what conditions
have to be satisfied, but I know that my boat is eligible. It travels
with the vessel when sold, so sometimes you see a "for sale" add that
says "comes with Jones Act Exemption."

Maybe they are... don't know. I suppose some of them are.

Besides the 6-pak situation, do you know if this is for documented vs.
non-documented vessels or doesn't it matter?

I'll have to give the CG a call at some point.

--
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www.sailnow.com