Stick to spreading misinformation on radio issues Jack. Leave cruising
issues
to cruisers.

Doug

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:1JTbe.39$qV3.13@lakeread04...
Who wants to be cruising somewhere you're not wanted?
Stay somewhere else. All hundred thousand cruisers don't make a molehill
compared to the taxes paid by Miami Beach residents, it's their city,
leave
them alone!

Jack

"krj" wrote in message
. ..
Miami Beach 72-hour Anchoring Ordinance

On April 20, 2005 cruising sailors suffered another blow to their
anchoring
rights when the Mayor and City Commissioners of Miami Beach, Florida
unanimously passed a bill prohibiting anchoring within city limits for
periods longer than 72 hours. The last hurdle before the bill becomes
law
is a second public reading that will take place on Wednesday, May 18,
2005
at a public hearing in Commission Chambers at Miami Beach City Hall.
Miami Beach has become a favorite staging and provisioning location for a
large percentage of the estimated 100,000 boaters bound for the Bahamas,
in
addition to boats headed for the Caribbean and Florida Keys each year.
Businesses in Miami Beach that serve the cruising community were not
consulted regarding the economic impact of the action. However, one
commissioner was somehow able to determine that "the amount of money
spent
[by these boaters] was miniscule."
For cruising boats crossing the often turbulent Gulf Stream, concerns are
larger than where to provision. While another commissioner claimed with
authority that "72 hours was sufficient" time to wait for weather, those
of
us who have made the crossing know that small craft warnings are often
posted for weeks at a time during the winter months, making the passage
dangerous for many. This extremely brief window will undoubtedly create
a
situation that will force captains to decide between harassment and fines
or
subjecting their boats and crews to seas neither were meant to handle.
Fortunately, there is an exception to the 72-hour limit during periods
when
hurricane warnings are in effect or when members of the crew are sick.
The reason most often cited by the eight or so residents who spoke in
favor
of the restriction was the visual intrusion associated with vessels
anchored
near their expensive waterfront homes. Also cited were theft, trespass,
and
pollution. Dr. Morris Sunshine, Chairman of the Miami Beach Marine
Authority, an advisory group on marine matters, testified before
Commissioners that the Commander of the Miami Beach Marine Patrol was
questioned by the Authority and could not cite a single case of theft
attributable to the cruising community. The Commissioners ignored Dr.
Sunshine's request to firmly instruct the City Manager to start planning
to
install a mooring field and to designate a legal anchoring area.
In contrast to cities like Vero Beach, Florida where forward-looking
leaders
implemented well-thought-out plans that cleaned up derelict boats from
the
harbor, accommodated seasonal boaters, and brought revenue to the city
and
local businesses, the Miami Beach leadership's plan is to spend $1.75
million over the next two years to enforce a legally questionable
ordinance
that chases legitimate boaters and their business away while leaving the
real problems behind.
After last year's hurricane season, the Florida Legislature is being
pressured to allow marina operators to force boat owners out of the
marinas
during major storms. Therefore, it makes far more sense to spend money
to
provide a harbor with safe, heavy-duty moorings that will protect
residents'
boats during hurricanes in the summer, and accommodate transient boats
year
round. The City can then prohibit anchoring elsewhere, protecting the
seabed and eliminating derelict boats, if it so chooses. It's ironic
that
a
city that spends millions each year to attract tourists, and hosts the
largest boat show in the U.S., is trying to pass a law that will chase a
large and responsible group of boaters out of local waters.
This ordinance is full of holes and could be defeated by a coalition of
boaters who are losing their rights, local businesses whose profits will
suffer, and residents who will bear the $1.75 million enforcement price
tag
that benefits a handful of Miami Beach's wealthiest residents. Local
regulators rely on the assumption that sailors have little interest in
waging political/legal battles; so in addition to local action, we must
also
address this issue through the state legislature and courts.
The marine industry is one of Florida's largest - it's time for
businesses
to realize that they must persuade lawmakers in Tallahassee to protect
boaters' right of access to safe haven before there are no boaters left
to
buy their products. The two primary marine trade associations that may
be
able to achieve a workable solution to this situation are listed below.
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Write or e-mail the people or associations below. Tell them about your
boating habits - where you cruise, how much you spend, what your safety
issues are, that you're a member of SSCA and what clean wake cruising
means.
You will also find links to other representatives of the marine industry
and
to your Florida legislators on the Seven Seas Cruising Association
website,
www.SSCA.org. Tell anybody you think might be affected - other boaters,
merchants, local law enforcement agencies, community leaders - and direct
them to the same resources.
. Visit www.SSCA.org for links to representatives of the marine industry
as
well as information about the organization itself.
. Attend the May 18 meeting at Miami Beach City Hall, 1700 Convention
Center
Drive, Miami Beach FL, 33139
. Follow movement of the bill at www.miamibeachfl.gov.
. Find your legislators at www.myFlorida.com.
. Email or write to:
Mayor David Dermer:
City Staff Attorney Gary Held:
City Manager Jorge Gonzalez:
Commissioners:
Matti Bower:
Jose Smith:
Saul Gross:
Richard Steinberg:
Simon Cruz:
Luis Garcia:
. National Marine Manufactures Association (NMMA), Thom Dammrich,
President
200 Randolph Drive, Suite 5100, Chicago, IL 60601-6528
(312) 946-6200, (312) 946-0401-fax; www.nmma.org and
www.discoverboating.com
The NMMA sponsors the annual Miami Boat Show, held simultaneously in
three
venues in Miami Beach and two venues in Miami. Relocating even one of
the
sites out of Miami Beach and into Miami would send a significant economic
message.
. Marine Industries Association of South Florida, 2312 S Andrews Blvd, Ft
Lauderdale, FL 33316
(954) 524-2733, www.miasf.org
MIASF is a marine trade association lobby group.


Richard Blackford
Vice President, at the direction of the SSCA Board of Directors

"Doug Dotson" wrote

Stick to spreading misinformation on radio issues Jack. Leave cruising
issues
to cruisers.

Doug


It's true that your claimed expertise with amateur radio left you
nonetheless very confused on a few marine radio issues. I have also cruised
Florida, by sail and power. Exactly what form of "cruiser" are you taking a
position for this time Doug? When was the last time you wanted to anchor
inside the city limits of any (U.S.) city you visited for more than 72
hours?

That describes the kind of boat-bums that the legislation was designed to
prevent, and whatever else you may be, I'll bet you stayed overnight at nice
marinas when transiting areas like Miami Beach, if you stopped there at all.
But then maybe that's not the issue at all. Maybe you just can't resist
another dig at me, like the last one you took which I never responded to.

Jack

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:1JTbe.39$qV3.13@lakeread04...
Who wants to be cruising somewhere you're not wanted?
Stay somewhere else. All hundred thousand cruisers don't make a molehill
compared to the taxes paid by Miami Beach residents, it's their city,
leave
them alone!

Jack

"krj" wrote in message
. ..
Miami Beach 72-hour Anchoring Ordinance

On April 20, 2005 cruising sailors suffered another blow to their
anchoring
rights when the Mayor and City Commissioners of Miami Beach, Florida
unanimously passed a bill prohibiting anchoring within city limits for
periods longer than 72 hours. The last hurdle before the bill becomes
law
is a second public reading that will take place on Wednesday, May 18,
2005
at a public hearing in Commission Chambers at Miami Beach City Hall.
Miami Beach has become a favorite staging and provisioning location for
a
large percentage of the estimated 100,000 boaters bound for the
Bahamas,
in
addition to boats headed for the Caribbean and Florida Keys each year.
Businesses in Miami Beach that serve the cruising community were not
consulted regarding the economic impact of the action. However, one
commissioner was somehow able to determine that "the amount of money
spent
[by these boaters] was miniscule."
For cruising boats crossing the often turbulent Gulf Stream, concerns
are
larger than where to provision. While another commissioner claimed
with
authority that "72 hours was sufficient" time to wait for weather,
those
of
us who have made the crossing know that small craft warnings are often
posted for weeks at a time during the winter months, making the passage
dangerous for many. This extremely brief window will undoubtedly
create
a
situation that will force captains to decide between harassment and
fines
or
subjecting their boats and crews to seas neither were meant to handle.
Fortunately, there is an exception to the 72-hour limit during periods
when
hurricane warnings are in effect or when members of the crew are sick.
The reason most often cited by the eight or so residents who spoke in
favor
of the restriction was the visual intrusion associated with vessels
anchored
near their expensive waterfront homes. Also cited were theft,
trespass,
and
pollution. Dr. Morris Sunshine, Chairman of the Miami Beach Marine
Authority, an advisory group on marine matters, testified before
Commissioners that the Commander of the Miami Beach Marine Patrol was
questioned by the Authority and could not cite a single case of theft
attributable to the cruising community. The Commissioners ignored Dr.
Sunshine's request to firmly instruct the City Manager to start
planning
to
install a mooring field and to designate a legal anchoring area.
In contrast to cities like Vero Beach, Florida where forward-looking
leaders
implemented well-thought-out plans that cleaned up derelict boats from
the
harbor, accommodated seasonal boaters, and brought revenue to the city
and
local businesses, the Miami Beach leadership's plan is to spend $1.75
million over the next two years to enforce a legally questionable
ordinance
that chases legitimate boaters and their business away while leaving
the
real problems behind.
After last year's hurricane season, the Florida Legislature is being
pressured to allow marina operators to force boat owners out of the
marinas
during major storms. Therefore, it makes far more sense to spend money
to
provide a harbor with safe, heavy-duty moorings that will protect
residents'
boats during hurricanes in the summer, and accommodate transient boats
year
round. The City can then prohibit anchoring elsewhere, protecting the
seabed and eliminating derelict boats, if it so chooses. It's ironic
that
a
city that spends millions each year to attract tourists, and hosts the
largest boat show in the U.S., is trying to pass a law that will chase
a
large and responsible group of boaters out of local waters.
This ordinance is full of holes and could be defeated by a coalition of
boaters who are losing their rights, local businesses whose profits
will
suffer, and residents who will bear the $1.75 million enforcement price
tag
that benefits a handful of Miami Beach's wealthiest residents. Local
regulators rely on the assumption that sailors have little interest in
waging political/legal battles; so in addition to local action, we must
also
address this issue through the state legislature and courts.
The marine industry is one of Florida's largest - it's time for
businesses
to realize that they must persuade lawmakers in Tallahassee to protect
boaters' right of access to safe haven before there are no boaters left
to
buy their products. The two primary marine trade associations that may
be
able to achieve a workable solution to this situation are listed below.
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Write or e-mail the people or associations below. Tell them about your
boating habits - where you cruise, how much you spend, what your safety
issues are, that you're a member of SSCA and what clean wake cruising
means.
You will also find links to other representatives of the marine
industry
and
to your Florida legislators on the Seven Seas Cruising Association
website,
www.SSCA.org. Tell anybody you think might be affected - other
boaters,
merchants, local law enforcement agencies, community leaders - and
direct
them to the same resources.
. Visit www.SSCA.org for links to representatives of the marine
industry
as
well as information about the organization itself.
. Attend the May 18 meeting at Miami Beach City Hall, 1700 Convention
Center
Drive, Miami Beach FL, 33139
. Follow movement of the bill at www.miamibeachfl.gov.
. Find your legislators at www.myFlorida.com.
. Email or write to:
Mayor David Dermer:
City Staff Attorney Gary Held:
City Manager Jorge Gonzalez:
Commissioners:
Matti Bower:
Jose Smith:
Saul Gross:
Richard Steinberg:
Simon Cruz:
Luis Garcia:
. National Marine Manufactures Association (NMMA), Thom Dammrich,
President
200 Randolph Drive, Suite 5100, Chicago, IL 60601-6528
(312) 946-6200, (312) 946-0401-fax; www.nmma.org and
www.discoverboating.com
The NMMA sponsors the annual Miami Boat Show, held simultaneously in
three
venues in Miami Beach and two venues in Miami. Relocating even one of
the
sites out of Miami Beach and into Miami would send a significant
economic
message.
. Marine Industries Association of South Florida, 2312 S Andrews Blvd,
Ft
Lauderdale, FL 33316
(954) 524-2733, www.miasf.org
MIASF is a marine trade association lobby group.


Richard Blackford
Vice President, at the direction of the SSCA Board of Directors

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:OdVbe.47$qV3.34@lakeread04...

"Doug Dotson" wrote

Stick to spreading misinformation on radio issues Jack. Leave cruising
issues
to cruisers.

Doug


It's true that your claimed expertise with amateur radio left you
nonetheless very confused on a few marine radio issues. I have also
cruised
Florida, by sail and power. Exactly what form of "cruiser" are you taking
a
position for this time Doug?

What are the choices?

When was the last time you wanted to anchor
inside the city limits of any (U.S.) city you visited for more than 72
hours?

Last weekend.

That describes the kind of boat-bums that the legislation was designed to
prevent, and whatever else you may be, I'll bet you stayed overnight at
nice
marinas when transiting areas like Miami Beach, if you stopped there at
all.

Rarely stay at marinas. Miami Beach isn;t high on my list of places to
visit anyway.

But then maybe that's not the issue at all. Maybe you just can't resist
another dig at me, like the last one you took which I never responded to.

Didn;t take much this time did it?

Jack

"Jack Painter" wrote in message
news:1JTbe.39$qV3.13@lakeread04...
Who wants to be cruising somewhere you're not wanted?
Stay somewhere else. All hundred thousand cruisers don't make a
molehill
compared to the taxes paid by Miami Beach residents, it's their city,
leave
them alone!

Jack

"krj" wrote in message
. ..
Miami Beach 72-hour Anchoring Ordinance

On April 20, 2005 cruising sailors suffered another blow to their
anchoring
rights when the Mayor and City Commissioners of Miami Beach, Florida
unanimously passed a bill prohibiting anchoring within city limits for
periods longer than 72 hours. The last hurdle before the bill becomes
law
is a second public reading that will take place on Wednesday, May 18,
2005
at a public hearing in Commission Chambers at Miami Beach City Hall.
Miami Beach has become a favorite staging and provisioning location
for
a
large percentage of the estimated 100,000 boaters bound for the
Bahamas,
in
addition to boats headed for the Caribbean and Florida Keys each year.
Businesses in Miami Beach that serve the cruising community were not
consulted regarding the economic impact of the action. However, one
commissioner was somehow able to determine that "the amount of money
spent
[by these boaters] was miniscule."
For cruising boats crossing the often turbulent Gulf Stream, concerns
are
larger than where to provision. While another commissioner claimed
with
authority that "72 hours was sufficient" time to wait for weather,
those
of
us who have made the crossing know that small craft warnings are often
posted for weeks at a time during the winter months, making the
passage
dangerous for many. This extremely brief window will undoubtedly
create
a
situation that will force captains to decide between harassment and
fines
or
subjecting their boats and crews to seas neither were meant to handle.
Fortunately, there is an exception to the 72-hour limit during periods
when
hurricane warnings are in effect or when members of the crew are sick.
The reason most often cited by the eight or so residents who spoke in
favor
of the restriction was the visual intrusion associated with vessels
anchored
near their expensive waterfront homes. Also cited were theft,
trespass,
and
pollution. Dr. Morris Sunshine, Chairman of the Miami Beach Marine
Authority, an advisory group on marine matters, testified before
Commissioners that the Commander of the Miami Beach Marine Patrol was
questioned by the Authority and could not cite a single case of theft
attributable to the cruising community. The Commissioners ignored Dr.
Sunshine's request to firmly instruct the City Manager to start
planning
to
install a mooring field and to designate a legal anchoring area.
In contrast to cities like Vero Beach, Florida where forward-looking
leaders
implemented well-thought-out plans that cleaned up derelict boats from
the
harbor, accommodated seasonal boaters, and brought revenue to the city
and
local businesses, the Miami Beach leadership's plan is to spend $1.75
million over the next two years to enforce a legally questionable
ordinance
that chases legitimate boaters and their business away while leaving
the
real problems behind.
After last year's hurricane season, the Florida Legislature is being
pressured to allow marina operators to force boat owners out of the
marinas
during major storms. Therefore, it makes far more sense to spend
money
to
provide a harbor with safe, heavy-duty moorings that will protect
residents'
boats during hurricanes in the summer, and accommodate transient boats
year
round. The City can then prohibit anchoring elsewhere, protecting the
seabed and eliminating derelict boats, if it so chooses. It's ironic
that
a
city that spends millions each year to attract tourists, and hosts the
largest boat show in the U.S., is trying to pass a law that will chase
a
large and responsible group of boaters out of local waters.
This ordinance is full of holes and could be defeated by a coalition
of
boaters who are losing their rights, local businesses whose profits
will
suffer, and residents who will bear the $1.75 million enforcement
price
tag
that benefits a handful of Miami Beach's wealthiest residents. Local
regulators rely on the assumption that sailors have little interest in
waging political/legal battles; so in addition to local action, we
must
also
address this issue through the state legislature and courts.
The marine industry is one of Florida's largest - it's time for
businesses
to realize that they must persuade lawmakers in Tallahassee to protect
boaters' right of access to safe haven before there are no boaters
left
to
buy their products. The two primary marine trade associations that
may
be
able to achieve a workable solution to this situation are listed
below.
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Write or e-mail the people or associations below. Tell them about
your
boating habits - where you cruise, how much you spend, what your
safety
issues are, that you're a member of SSCA and what clean wake cruising
means.
You will also find links to other representatives of the marine
industry
and
to your Florida legislators on the Seven Seas Cruising Association
website,
www.SSCA.org. Tell anybody you think might be affected - other
boaters,
merchants, local law enforcement agencies, community leaders - and
direct
them to the same resources.
. Visit www.SSCA.org for links to representatives of the marine
industry
as
well as information about the organization itself.
. Attend the May 18 meeting at Miami Beach City Hall, 1700 Convention
Center
Drive, Miami Beach FL, 33139
. Follow movement of the bill at www.miamibeachfl.gov.
. Find your legislators at www.myFlorida.com.
. Email or write to:
Mayor David Dermer:
City Staff Attorney Gary Held:
City Manager Jorge Gonzalez:
Commissioners:
Matti Bower:
Jose Smith:
Saul Gross:
Richard Steinberg:
Simon Cruz:
Luis Garcia:
. National Marine Manufactures Association (NMMA), Thom Dammrich,
President
200 Randolph Drive, Suite 5100, Chicago, IL 60601-6528
(312) 946-6200, (312) 946-0401-fax; www.nmma.org and
www.discoverboating.com
The NMMA sponsors the annual Miami Boat Show, held simultaneously in
three
venues in Miami Beach and two venues in Miami. Relocating even one of
the
sites out of Miami Beach and into Miami would send a significant
economic
message.
. Marine Industries Association of South Florida, 2312 S Andrews Blvd,
Ft
Lauderdale, FL 33316
(954) 524-2733, www.miasf.org
MIASF is a marine trade association lobby group.


Richard Blackford
Vice President, at the direction of the SSCA Board of Directors