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"Bruce in Alaska" slid off his stool and shouted: "Jack Painter" wrote: Also, a U.S. vessel that plans to dock (or communicate) at a non-US port of call, must have a restricted radiotelephone operators license. This good for life (of the vessel you own and operate) and also does not involve any exam. The license covers vhf, hf, gmdss and radars with no description of equipments required. It will include applying for an MMSI to be used internationally. Again, jackie is extending information that he doesn't understand....... HEY JACK, How about you "GET A CLUE before you confuse folks with your uninformed information. First: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be an operator. I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow up or go back to your barstool. Second: A US Flagged vessel, if it is to operate outside US Territorial Waters, AND communicate with non-US Coast Stations, must have a valid Ship Radio Station License issued by the FCC. Here you go mixing up licenses again, forgetting the title and topic of this newsgroup is RECREATIONAL boating. Only a Restricted Operators permit is required for a recreational boater who wants to visit a foreign port. His boat can remain "covered by the rule" which means no station license for VHF-only, and the ROP covers his carriage of the radio, whether he uses it OR NOT, in a foreign port. Third: If, and only if, the vessel has fitted, only VHF Radios and, or, a Marine S or Xband Radar, and does not communicated with non-US Coast Stations, it MAY be covered by the Blanket License issued by the FCC, which covers all such vessels in perpituity, and does not require any action on the owners, or operators parts as far as licensing is concerened. That's called being "covered by the rule" and does not permit a vessel to dock in a foreign port, which is why it's another of your useless comments that serves only the interests of your strange ego. Fourth: /snipped unadulterated blabber .. Fifth: /snipped unadulterated blabber Sixth: /snipped unadulterated blabber Now that we got that straight....... Carry on....... Bruce in alaska who wishes that USCG would refrain from distributing uninformed information....... "Straight" is a concept difficult to apply to your posts. The information I posted is current, accurate, and applies to the questions posted by Wayne B. The rules have changed since the time you claimed to have once been a field-rep for the FCC. Try to remember the "recreational" concept of the newsgroup, please. Best regards, Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter"
wrote: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be an operator. I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow up or go back to your barstool. // Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia I don't think that's right Jack. An operators license follows the operator. Brian W |
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"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message ... On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:14:04 -0500, "Jack Painter" wrote: A Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit is for a PERSON not a vessel. It is an "OPERATORs" and a vessel can't be an operator. I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow up or go back to your barstool. // Jack Painter Virginia Beach, Virginia I don't think that's right Jack. An operators license follows the operator. Brian W You're Right. On the FCC website; If you have a RESTRICTED RADIOTELEPHONE OPERATOR PERMIT, you should retain it for future use since it is authorized for your lifetime. It's the station license, applies to equipment on specific boat. It is only when applying for that license, as I explained earlier before Bruce's tirade, can a boater obtain an FCC-issued MMSI, which registers his MMSI internationally. BOAT-US continues to fulfill the MMSI requirements of all domestic-only voyagers. Their volunteer-provided database, while useable by the USCG, is unfortunately not compatible with either the FCC's or ITU's. So much for no good deed going unpunished. Jack |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: Larry, with all due respect, a real boat would have the radio wired through a circuit breaker and/or battery switch. Whoa! The radio WAS wired through a fuse panel! 3 amps doesn't blow a 10A fuse and the 3A gave no indication (smoke, fire, etc.) that it was happening until I turned my key to be met with total silence. I plugged it into 12v again and measured the drain....nearly 3A dead on the nose. The salt shorting out the pins on the power amp IC had changed the bias on the IC between pins from class C (no current with no RF drive) to sort of class A (always conducting, even with the power switch off!) It just sat there converting my 115AH deep cycle/starting battery into a hot heat sink.....dammit. |
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"John R. Campbell" wrote in
: If travelling in a group of boats, consider some FRS radios which don't have much reach but don't need much when travelling close enough together. Less interference on the marine channels and the like... but it'd be *real* nice if some of the bridges down here were monitoring something other than VHF ch9. (These FRS rigs are very handy at other times, too, like w/ multiple cars, visiting Home Depot or Lowes and the like.) The best feature of FRS radios is you can say whatever you like without some kilocycle cop/boater or CG guy bitching at you to get the hell off his channel....(c; |
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On Larry W4CSC wrote:
John R. Campbell wrote: If travelling in a group of boats, consider some FRS radios which don't have much reach but don't need much when travelling close enough together. Less interference on the marine channels and the like... but it'd be *real* nice if some of the bridges down here were monitoring something other than VHF ch9. (These FRS rigs are very handy at other times, too, like w/ multiple cars, visiting Home Depot or Lowes and the like.) The best feature of FRS radios is you can say whatever you like without some kilocycle cop/boater or CG guy bitching at you to get the hell off his channel....(c; Sorry, I was trying for an "almost British" level of understatement in my post... and you said, in plain language, what I was trying to say in a more obscure form. (shakes head) Granted, I try for laughs... The point, really, is that FRS radios have such a low wattage that there's not much of a likelihood of interfering with others. The low costs (take a look around a CostCo or Best Buy or some such) and you'll not that the prices are also pretty low as well-- so losing one over the side isn't the utter disaster that a VHF hand-held would be. Of course I don't personally know if FRS can even be *licensed* for use outside the USA much less, if usable, what the rules'd be. Granted, you have to remember to use a *real* VHF rig in order to hail others ... especially distress calls. Additionally, one suggestion: regular hand-held scanners are available for a lot less than a "real" VHF hand-held (especially if you only want to cover the marine bands) so one of *those* scanner would be handy for whoever is on communications watch. The real point being is that there is other tech out there that, while not tuned perfectly for the marine environment, is fairly usable... and cheap enough to more easily cope with replacements. While it makes sense to avoid "disposable tech", I think there are times when you want to use it to cut down on the "wear and tear" (of the PTT button?) of the far more critical marine-grade tech. Some tech obviously will not make the jump very well to marine conditions... but finding the more appropriate tech to carry over can be rather entertaining to discover. -- John R. Campbell Speaker to Machines soup at tampabay dot rr dot com "Grace is sufficient so Joy was let go." - Heather L. Campbell "Faith manages ... even though she didn't get promoted" - me Why OS X? Because making Unix user-friendly was easier than debugging Windows |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:07:23 -0500, "Mark"
wrote: Any recommendations for a low cost, mounted, basic VHF radio? The display has given out on my old radio. I am considering the Uniden Solara and would appreciate comments on this model or suggestions for others. Mark (the rail & canopy hook guy) www.ripnet.com/vtf/prod03.htm I would stay away from Uniden. Lokk at Kenwoods or Icom. |
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In article 1cHYd.62360$7z6.6536@lakeread04,
"Jack Painter" wrote: I know that Bruce. I mentioned the "vessel" because it is for the owner of A VESSEL, and cannot be transferred or used when the licensee goes to another vessel. So it is "for life" only if it remains ON THAT VESSEL. Please grow up or go back to your barstool. Wrong again Jackie..... the Resricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit is a PERSONAL Operators License and does NOT go with any Radio Station License, one may, or may not have issued to a vessel or aircraft they may own. It is also REQUIRED to be in the possession of any Pilot who makes an International Flight, or who flys outside US airspace and under a Non-US Flight Control Center. It is NOT tied to any vessel or aircraft, and is a Lifetime Permit, for that reason. You may change vessels or aircraft and Station Licenses for them, but you NEVER need to change your Resricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit. Here you go mixing up licenses again, forgetting the title and topic of this newsgroup is RECREATIONAL boating. Only a Restricted Operators permit is required for a recreational boater who wants to visit a foreign port. His boat can remain "covered by the rule" which means no station license for VHF-only, and the ROP covers his carriage of the radio, whether he uses it OR NOT, in a foreign port. Jackie, you need a bit of a refresher in your International Radio Law, son.. If a US Flagged vessel is fitted with a VHF radio, and Licensed under the Blanket License Rule, and leaves US Waters and enters a foreign port, it is as if he had NO Authorization for the fitted Radio. Said radio would not be covered under International Law to transmit under any circiumstance, baring a Distress Transmission. It doesn't matter if it is a "recreational boater" or not. I am not "mixing up" anything, just presenting the FACTS of International Maritime Radio Law, which you seem to not be able to grasp. A Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit is NOT a Station License, and confers no Authority to Fit, or imply Legality of Carriage, that requires a Station License. Station and Operator Licenses are two DIFFERENT things. How hard can this be to graps? That's called being "covered by the rule" and does not permit a vessel to dock in a foreign port, which is why it's another of your useless comments that serves only the interests of your strange ego. This has absolutly nothing to do with "dock in a foreign port" in anyway. A US Flagged vessel may certainly "dock in a foreign port" with a fitted VHF Radio that would be Licensed in US waters under the Blanket License Rule, the Operator just could not legally make any Transmissions from inside the waters of another country, or communicate with any station, once he entered the waters of another country. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Actually, in some countries, it is a CRIME to have a Radiotelephone fitted, and no Internationally Recognized License for such a Radio, and they maybe impounded by the Government, whos water your in. The Rules have not changed, since the last time I reveiwed the IMO Annual Meeting Minutes. I was never a "field-rep", in fact I was Field Agant dually sworn, with the same Oath that you took, upon entering the USCG, no claim, just FACT. I still have my Badge, and cancelled Credentials, as do all Retired and RIF'd Field Agants. Bruce in alaska -- Bruce (semiretired powderman & exFCC Field Inspector for Southeastern Alaska) add a 2 before @ Bruce Gordon * Debora Gordon R.N. Bruce's Trading Post P.O. Box EXI Excursion Inlet South Juneau, Alaska 99850 Excursion Inlet, Alaska 99850 www.btpost.net www.99850.net |
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In article ,
Larry W4CSC wrote: The best feature of FRS radios is you can say whatever you like without some kilocycle cop/boater or CG guy bitching at you to get the hell off his channel....(c; God did Jackie Painter, bite your ass too..... He does get around... Me |
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