wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

It is really quite simple and low-tech. You can guarantee you will not
be found only if you are not there!

Go out, sink the boat, come back in, and go anywhere but where they will
be searching for you.

Or, go out, turn around, and return to port well before the 36 hours.
Eventually the boat will be found, but that will only mean that at some
point in time you were somewhere in the world. Not very much to go on.

If you have trouble with this answer, I think you have some other
agenda. True, someone might want to disappear. But you've posed a
problem in which someone wants to disappear using an empty gum wrapper,
yesterday's newspaper, and a half-eaten bagel on a day when the
temperature is over 72 degrees! And then you want to discuss at length
the reflective properties of foil-backed gum wrappers?

If your question were strictly technical, the "disappearing" scenario
would be superfluous since you could just ask about visual and radar
detection of various hull signatures.
















Peggie Hall wrote in
:

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be
that easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life,
it should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell
your friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left,
or which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your
hair, lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location
is any record of the places in which you've had to show your passport.
But if you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these
days to get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive,
no one would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit
only that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of
time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some
planning.




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Aha!!!!!!! Who were you in your other life? Jimmy Hoffa? ;)
G

"Peggie Hall" wrote in message
...
wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

Actually it is getting much harder. Pressure is on for nations to use
barcoding and other electronic means of imprinting on passports for
recording, tabulating, and verifying entry and exit records. The phony
document that fools an inspectors eyes won't fool the computers that
examine it. Many countries are instituting policies of requiring visa's
for people coming from nations that will not have have such fraud
proofed passports. And then there's the coming biometric data
requirements...

wrote:

, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

Actually it is getting much harder. Pressure is on for nations to use
barcoding and other electronic means of imprinting on passports for
recording, tabulating, and verifying entry and exit records. The phony
document that fools an inspectors eyes won't fool the computers that
examine it. Many countries are instituting policies of requiring visa's
for people coming from nations that will not have have such fraud
proofed passports. And then there's the coming biometric data
requirements...

Of course the ultimate way to disappear and not be found, would be to
drown.

I suppose it might be possible to simulate that by setting off in a
boat and then wrecking it and leaving the wreckage while actually
getting to shore and buying another boat and taking off from there.

But the OP was really asking whether you could conceal a boat in the
ocean by using low tech methods so that high tech methods could not
find you. And my answer is - it's a whole lot easier not to be found
if no one is looking.

grandma Rosalie

OK, I confess, I am really trying to hide the nuke I built from
hundreds of old smoke detectors and parts from a '72 Camaro.
The Purpose of flooding the cockpit while running the engine is to put
a low temp high mass object 'tween you and any IR detector.
As far as the aluminized space blanket for Radar, generally, it is
edges and corners that produce the large radar return. 90 degree
angles particularly make good returns which is why a tiny radar
refelctor will give a much better return than most sailboats. A very
large sphere (the size of your boat) will give less return than a 10"
corner reflector. The purpose of the space blanket is to mask the
edges and corners from things like the engine, the toerail,
chainplates, etc. A space blanket with no sharp edges covering the
sailboat should give less return than your average sailboat. I once
took a course in radar theory but I know nothing of ANY practical
application.

Osama bin DB Cooper OHara

Peggie Hall wrote:
wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on
the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be
that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell
your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail
instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever
look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left,
or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your
hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is
any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But
if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days
to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one

would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit
only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some
planning.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems
and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"

http://www.seaworthy.com/store/custo...0&cat=6&page=1

Peggie, this may be the first post I've ever seen from you that didn't
concern some sort of sea-going toilet...G

You actually hit upon the best solution: hide in plain sight. A touch
of plastic surgery, an industrial "accident" that obscures your
fingerprints, a few grand for the "pro" falsified documents, and then
hide in plain sight. The boat itself should be a Catalina 30...they
are common as muck as my British relatives say.

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

Good grief, talk about safety in numbers....

R.


On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 06:07:30 GMT, Peggie Hall
wrote:

wrote:
THIS IS PURELY HYPOTHETICAL. I have nothing to hide, jeez.

I'm bored enough on a Saturday night to get into this one...

IMO, how easy it would or wouldn't be to just disappear depends on the
circumstances. If you're a fugitive being sought, it might not be that
easy...but if you're someone who just wants to escape his life, it
should be very easy. Just buy a boat without telling anyone...tell your
friends and family that you have to go to Chicago, St, Louis,
Paris--anywhere but out to sea--for a week...set sail instead...giving
you at least a week's head start in a direction no one would ever look
in...and even when they do think of checking on your boat--the one
everyone knows you own--it'll still be in her slip. You could be
anywhere in the world before anyone figured out how or when you left, or
which direction to look. By then you've grown a beard, dyed your hair,
lost 20 lbs...the only thing that might give away your location is any
record of the places in which you've had to show your passport. But if
you're REALLY determined to disappear, it's not that hard these days to
get a new passport under a new name. Unless you're a fugitive, no one
would ever have any reason to question its legitimacy.

The only real issue would be money...but anyone planning such a move
should be smart enough to quietly start transferring funds to an
offshore account in an untraceable manner (convert to cash, deposit only
that cash to offshore account) months or even years ahead of time.

IOW, anyone who really wants to disappear can do it with some planning.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:21:15 -0500, rhys wrote:

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

===================

I think that's already been done. There are waiting lists for Captain
Ron entry permits.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:21:15 -0500, rhys wrote:

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

===================

I think that's already been done. There are waiting lists for
Captain
Ron entry permits.

Actually, I did think it might be a mildly interesting part of a
thriller novel if it was realistic. I am a poor writer of fiction so
somebody else should write it. My writing is mostly techie things (ok,
those are mostly fictitious too but not intentionally) and would be
unable to make it interesting. I could write pages on the mathmematics
of radar cross section but would anybody read it?
I also think a sorta "whodunit" involving the long distance cruising
community could be interesting as it would mix the sociology of
cruisers with (maybe) a good story. I reserve the screen rights.
As far as disappearing goes, it might be easier on land. Remember Eric
Rudolph? That was in N. Carolina where it gets cold. I think I could
walk into the N. Florida woods and disappear for a year or two if
necessary.
I also think some of the psychology of cruising involves "disappearing"
(never trust pop psychology from a physics geek)from society.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 02:21:15 -0500, rhys wrote:

You ARE Captain Ron, sailing the "Marguritaville" to USVIs after a
messy divorce.

===================

I think that's already been done. There are waiting lists for
Captain
Ron entry permits.

My own REAL cruise has been delayed by my boat being in Cedar Key. My
18 yr old daughter wants me to stay there till at least next week so
she can see the place. My kids found about the annual Cedar Key Star
Party (amateur astronomers, the ultimate geeks) from Feb 5-12 so I am
stuck till then. I have managed to meet several people who have sorta
disappeared from society there; they give kayak tours and other odd
things. This could be attractive for awhile, ok maybe 48 hours, but
some people would like it.