I think most Americans held their noses as they voted, whether for
bush or kerry (based on my friends and family) with only the
democratic and republican bases really supporting either one. The
electoral college is a throw back to when it was not the people who
elected the president, but rather the states, just as the senators
initially represented the states, not the people and were selected by
the state legislatures.

I think both parties failed to provided us with their 'best and
brightest' from which to choose the president. This is why I and many
other have migrated to the 'third parties' such as libertarian,
reform, constitution or green parties.

My objection early on to this thread was those outside the US telling
us how dumb we were to elect bush and that we should choose our
leaders based on what other countries think. When I start seeing the
rest of the world choosing their leaders based on what America wants I
will consider this, but that is not going to happen, nor should it.

I think the last several elections point to the fact that we need to
look again at how we select presidents, unfortunately, the entrenched
interests of the two major parties will prevent this from happening as
the current system, with the collusion of the media in the US,
guarantees that the white house will always be held by one of the two.
They are in no hurry to open up the competition further.

Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:14:48 GMT, "Brian D" wrotf:


Finally, the correct answer! Add to that the fact that the electoral
college is there to prevent the tail-wags-the-dog effect of high population
centers and the fact that our electoral statesmen are supposed to understand
how our country is based on transcendent law, not law based on current whim
and fad (aka 'current public opinion') and you might be on to something. A
guy that just wrote to me recently, one who'd rather see law based on
current whim and fad, actually threatened to "take the government back, by
force if necessary" ...talk about being uneducated, stupid, ignorant of
history and governments ...including our own! True, Georgy Boy needs to cut
the spending, learn how to veto the neo-conservatives, shrink government and
it's programs (especially the liberal-left social engineering institution
...I mean the federal board of education), but at least he's a known
quantity. The only things known for sure about Kerry are a)
anti-establishment/anti-American, b) can't handle the realities of war, c)
consistently grows government and raises taxes, and d) always votes for
abortion. All other things in his mind are subject to the opinions of
whoever is standing in front of him. We voted Bush into office because he's
closer to what we want ...what the moral majority who understands our
government and history, those that understand what works, wants. The rest
of the world, the placating passifists and appeasers, have failed and are
jealous ...rather than wake up and learn to emulate what succeeds, they'd
rather whine and hate those that do succeed (too bad ...nanny nanny boo
boo!). We elected the right guy, but need to work together to defeat Bush's
tendency to spend too much and to grow government. The Middle East needs to
get out of the hot sun and start thinking for a change,
Islamo-fascists/imperialists in particular. The rest of you whiners need to
quit your idealist utopia fantasy thinking and get real. It didn't work for
Marx, and it won't work for you. Live and let live, folks. Don't whine and
hate. Quit acting like a spoiled child. Fix the country that YOU live in
and shut the hell up. That's what adults do. Next time you need military
intervention in something, or want hand-outs, go ask China or France. In
the mean time, it's time the US kicked the UN out of our country and dropped
funding to zero.

Brian


"Me" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Auerbach" wrote:

I happen to have been for Kerry, but I am a democrat as well as a
Democrat.
Inherent in both is a belief that in this country we respect the decision
of
the electorate. Screaming that voters are blithering idiots means that
the
screamer favors something other than a democratic form of government. In
all
likelihood that would be a dictatorship, run by the individual doing the
screaming.

Now, about epoxy vs. polyester ...

To bad you don't live in a democracy.....The USA is a Repersentative
Republic.......or did you sleep thru that class in US History and
Civics when you were in High School???????


Me

wrote in message
...
I think most Americans held their noses as they voted, whether for
bush or kerry (based on my friends and family) with only the
democratic and republican bases really supporting either one. The

I think "most" is a stretch.

electoral college is a throw back to when it was not the people who
elected the president, but rather the states,

You clearly don't understand the wisdom of the Electoral College.

just as the senators
initially represented the states, not the people and were selected by
the state legislatures.

Unfortunatly most Senators and Represenatives represent themselves to the
end of being reelected so as to make money and retain power. Representing
the
people vanished long ago in my observation.


I think both parties failed to provided us with their 'best and
brightest' from which to choose the president.

In the case of the Republicans, they presented the only choice inasmuch
as W was the incumbent. In the case of Kerry, I haven't a clue what the
Dem party was thinking. From what I have heard, the Dem party was
pretty much disorganized and never had any coherent plan.

This is why I and many
other have migrated to the 'third parties' such as libertarian,
reform, constitution or green parties.

Unfortunately, you have to choose between the 2 candidates. One of them IS
going to win. As painful as it is, one must choose one of them.
Idealogically
the other parties have good points (some of them) but the reality is that
one
of the Red or Blue bozos is going to get elected. Vote for the one that
offends you the least.

My objection early on to this thread was those outside the US telling
us how dumb we were to elect bush and that we should choose our
leaders based on what other countries think.

Absolutely!

When I start seeing the
rest of the world choosing their leaders based on what America wants I
will consider this, but that is not going to happen, nor should it.

Diddo!

I think the last several elections point to the fact that we need to
look again at how we select presidents, unfortunately, the entrenched
interests of the two major parties will prevent this from happening as
the current system, with the collusion of the media in the US,
guarantees that the white house will always be held by one of the two.
They are in no hurry to open up the competition further.

Damn that Constitution!

Weebles Wobble
(but they don't fall down)

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 20:14:48 GMT, "Brian D" wrotf:


Finally, the correct answer! Add to that the fact that the electoral
college is there to prevent the tail-wags-the-dog effect of high
population
centers and the fact that our electoral statesmen are supposed to
understand
how our country is based on transcendent law, not law based on current
whim
and fad (aka 'current public opinion') and you might be on to something.
A
guy that just wrote to me recently, one who'd rather see law based on
current whim and fad, actually threatened to "take the government back, by
force if necessary" ...talk about being uneducated, stupid, ignorant of
history and governments ...including our own! True, Georgy Boy needs to
cut
the spending, learn how to veto the neo-conservatives, shrink government
and
it's programs (especially the liberal-left social engineering institution
...I mean the federal board of education), but at least he's a known
quantity. The only things known for sure about Kerry are a)
anti-establishment/anti-American, b) can't handle the realities of war, c)
consistently grows government and raises taxes, and d) always votes for
abortion. All other things in his mind are subject to the opinions of
whoever is standing in front of him. We voted Bush into office because
he's
closer to what we want ...what the moral majority who understands our
government and history, those that understand what works, wants. The rest
of the world, the placating passifists and appeasers, have failed and are
jealous ...rather than wake up and learn to emulate what succeeds, they'd
rather whine and hate those that do succeed (too bad ...nanny nanny boo
boo!). We elected the right guy, but need to work together to defeat
Bush's
tendency to spend too much and to grow government. The Middle East needs
to
get out of the hot sun and start thinking for a change,
Islamo-fascists/imperialists in particular. The rest of you whiners need
to
quit your idealist utopia fantasy thinking and get real. It didn't work
for
Marx, and it won't work for you. Live and let live, folks. Don't whine
and
hate. Quit acting like a spoiled child. Fix the country that YOU live in
and shut the hell up. That's what adults do. Next time you need military
intervention in something, or want hand-outs, go ask China or France. In
the mean time, it's time the US kicked the UN out of our country and
dropped
funding to zero.

Brian


"Me" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Auerbach" wrote:

I happen to have been for Kerry, but I am a democrat as well as a
Democrat.
Inherent in both is a belief that in this country we respect the
decision
of
the electorate. Screaming that voters are blithering idiots means that
the
screamer favors something other than a democratic form of government.
In
all
likelihood that would be a dictatorship, run by the individual doing
the
screaming.

Now, about epoxy vs. polyester ...

To bad you don't live in a democracy.....The USA is a Repersentative
Republic.......or did you sleep thru that class in US History and
Civics when you were in High School???????


Me