only in your mind, doug.

which word in English didn't you understand?

"Doug Dotson" AMcom
Date: 10/15/2004 11:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Yes they are.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
careful, doug. you are confusing the term "automatic" with "fully
automatic".
ain't hardly the same no how.

eric, be careful with your use of terms. "automatic" rifles and pistols
are in
common usage by civilians, but the word automatic used in that context
means
the weapon chambers another round and cocks the gun "automatically"
after
each
fired round.

That would be a semi-automatic weapon. The term automatic is generally
considered to mean fully-automatic.

However "fully automatic" (which keep firing as long as the trigger is
pulled,
and means "machine guns" to most people) are not much represented in the
civilian population (there is a $250 yearly fee involved, and a lot of
scrutiny
by law enforcement at all levels). machine guns are far and away more
common
in the military.

many of the "assault weapons" forbidden under the old law were legally
sold to
civilians once the magazines and flash suppressors were removed. same
firing
power but you don't look as cool to your buddies and you can't fire but
maybe
six (?) rounds before reloading (as opposed to 18 to 30 with a magazine
fed
weapon) and reloading is slower. big deal.

"Eric Currier"
Date: 10/15/2004 1:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: EyJbd.61530$tU4.19280@okepread06

Automatic weapons are NOT illegal, and have not been for many years,
with
proper paperwork and fees not only can a law abiding citizen own an
automatic weapon, but the fact of the matter is there are more automatic
weapons in private hands than there are in both law enforcment and
military
hands.
The other fact of the matter is the "assualt weapon" ban was a useless
piece
of legislation and anyone who believes it's demise will cause machine
gun
toting criminals to overrun our streets is someone who does not
understand
guns, and gets all thier information from the liberal media.

As for the question on the flare pistol, why post a question here? write
to
the company that makes the flare pistol and get the truth from the
people
who know exactllay what laws apply and how they apply...it's thier
livelyhood.

Eric

"Keith" wrote in message
...
Automatic weapons have been illegal for years, and still are for the
general
public. The term "assualt weapon" is poorly defined, and was just made
up
to
ban a few rifles that "looked bad". GWB didn't do anything... the bill
banning those "assualt weapons" hit it's sunset date, and ended
without
congress trying to re-enact it. At least they had some sense.

Your misconceptions are just what the anti-gun lobby wants. Sorry you
fell
for it.

--


Keith
__
A 'good' return to your slip is one from which you can walk away. A
'great'
return is one after which they can use the boat again.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing
the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free
the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

recks, as a former police officier you are certain to be aware that carrying a
pistol on your boat down the East River from LIS to NY harbor is a felony?
possesion of a pistol in NYC without a permit (you can't get one) is a felony.
Hell, carrying a knife with a blade over six or eight (or something close) is a
felony in NYC.

As a resident of NYC, I suggest if you feel the need to carry illegal weapons
here for your "protection" that you go instead to Newark.

From: (RWKxxx)
Date: 10/16/2004 6:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

From: "Michael"
Date: 10/15/2004 5:51 PM Eastern


1. Yes you can use the flare pistol if you have the technical ability and
knowhow. I'm not passing it on. Better you blow off your fingers than the

?????? I would think you would aim it and pull the trigger.




3. Third if you are going to a place on the planet where you think a weapon
is necessary why are you going there?


There are many of us that like to cruise in foreign countries and enjoy.
Parts
of every country have dangerous areas that protection is nice, that includes
the US. I have been in parts of Miami, New York and LA that were just as
dangerous as any of the 37 countries I have visited.


First, realize fully when you get three miles off shore (this for USA
citizens) you left ALL constitutional protections behind.


NOT TRUE
Second, when you arrive in a foreign country you must register the
weapon regardless of how disguised it may be and often it is taken from you
and secured until you leave.

Very true in most countries, but not the flare gun. I always had st least two
of them setting in plain sight and NEVER had a problem with them
Third, if you use the declared weapon on a human being, or even a local
animal you come under their laws (reread the first consideration again) and
their courts and their police and their jails or prisons.

True but if you life is in danger what are you going to worry about first?


This started out about a flare gun being used as a weapon and drifted off
track
a little (as usual) The flare gun is not the ideal weapon but is a quick and
available means of protecting yourself in some cases. Common sense should
dictate when and how to use it. Since this is a cruising group I assumed we
were talking about off shore cruising????? I have spent over 14 yrs cruising
central and south America and would not be without one sitting were I could
grab it in a hurry if someone was boarding my boat without my permission. I
did
have that happen one morning when at anchor in Panama and it turned out to be
undercover Drug agents from a fishing boat. (another weird story).

After I got out of the Marine Corps I spent 5 yrs as a police officer in the
Los Angels area of Calif. so I am familiar with some of our laws, none of
which
prohibit you from having a flare gun. All countries are going to hold you
responsible for your use of it and anything else you use to defend yourself
including your hands so you have to use good judgment.

yeah.

Well someone has to go to Indonesia. Have a safe trip. I'll send you a
card from Norway.

"RWKxxx" wrote in message
...
From: "Michael"
Date: 10/15/2004 5:51 PM Eastern


1. Yes you can use the flare pistol if you have the technical ability
and
knowhow. I'm not passing it on. Better you blow off your fingers than
the

?????? I would think you would aim it and pull the trigger.




3. Third if you are going to a place on the planet where you think a
weapon
is necessary why are you going there?


There are many of us that like to cruise in foreign countries and enjoy.
Parts
of every country have dangerous areas that protection is nice, that
includes
the US. I have been in parts of Miami, New York and LA that were just as
dangerous as any of the 37 countries I have visited.


First, realize fully when you get three miles off shore (this for
USA
citizens) you left ALL constitutional protections behind.


NOT TRUE
Second, when you arrive in a foreign country you must register the
weapon regardless of how disguised it may be and often it is taken from
you
and secured until you leave.

Very true in most countries, but not the flare gun. I always had st least
two
of them setting in plain sight and NEVER had a problem with them
Third, if you use the declared weapon on a human being, or even a
local
animal you come under their laws (reread the first consideration again)
and
their courts and their police and their jails or prisons.

True but if you life is in danger what are you going to worry about first?


This started out about a flare gun being used as a weapon and drifted off
track
a little (as usual) The flare gun is not the ideal weapon but is a quick
and
available means of protecting yourself in some cases. Common sense should
dictate when and how to use it. Since this is a cruising group I assumed
we
were talking about off shore cruising????? I have spent over 14 yrs
cruising
central and south America and would not be without one sitting were I
could
grab it in a hurry if someone was boarding my boat without my permission.
I did
have that happen one morning when at anchor in Panama and it turned out to
be
undercover Drug agents from a fishing boat. (another weird story).

After I got out of the Marine Corps I spent 5 yrs as a police officer in
the
Los Angels area of Calif. so I am familiar with some of our laws, none of
which
prohibit you from having a flare gun. All countries are going to hold you
responsible for your use of it and anything else you use to defend
yourself
including your hands so you have to use good judgment.

You can buy flair shells that are loaded with a powerful pepper spray
and you can have flair shells loaded with lead if you know someone
privately that can do it right, I have both and my guns are the heavy
duty metal type..My safety out there is my responsibility, nobody is
going to protect me but me, there is no 911..For those of you that
refuse to arm yourselfs please do not advertise it on the web, that is
just stupid. Goto www.firequest.com ,,catalog/flair...

rhys wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:33:10 GMT, "Garuda" wrote:

Assuming dead men tell tales.

Isn't that the basis of all those forensics-based cop shows on TV
lately? Dead men are responsible for hundreds of scripts a year, it
seems. Even the "floaters".

R.

Craig wrote:

You can buy flair shells that are loaded with a powerful pepper spray
and you can have flair shells loaded with lead if you know someone
privately that can do it right, I have both and my guns are the heavy
duty metal type..My safety out there is my responsibility, nobody is
going to protect me but me, there is no 911..For those of you that
refuse to arm yourselfs please do not advertise it on the web, that is
just stupid. Goto www.firequest.com ,,catalog/flair...

Although you probably are a typical & dangerous gunnut, the product might
be usefull.
The correct link is: http://www.firequest.com/catalog/flares.html

Personally I'd look for something that protects me while I am sleeping
etc. Not something I have to have within reach, as that can only increase
the uneasiness. You cannot feel safe if you have to have a weapon nearby
all the time, and that defeats the whole purpose of sailing.
Something like a high voltage wire around the outside of the boat, that
would produce a non-lethal shock when touched and turns on some lights &
sounds. You'd have to make sure you don't get false alarms though, an
anchorage with every five minutes a car-alarm going off would not be very
enjoyable. And frying the local boys that want to sell you some bread will
also be frowned upon, i'd guess.

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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"Jelle" wrote in message
...
Craig wrote:

Although you probably are a typical & dangerous gunnut, the product might
be usefull.

You'll have to further differentiate between typical and dangerous and
gunnut (gunnut: can't find that word in the dictionary). Most gunnuts
(your term) are normal folks. Matter of fact they are generally the most
conscientious and safest owners of guns.

The correct link is: http://www.firequest.com/catalog/flares.html

Thanks! I was having trouble tracking it down. Being so anti-weapon
it is interesting that you knew it and are willing to forward to along.
Seems to me that you would make every effort to supress the proliferation
of such things.

Personally I'd look for something that protects me while I am sleeping
etc. Not something I have to have within reach, as that can only increase
the uneasiness.

Are there other inanimate objects you are scared of?

You cannot feel safe if you have to have a weapon nearby
all the time,

I feel very safe with a weapon at close reach. Are you afraid that the
weapon is going to jump up and attack you?

and that defeats the whole purpose of sailing.

That's silly!

Doug
s/v Callista

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:23:29 GMT, "Steve Schwartz"
wrote:

drunk teenagers looking for some fun
harassing a boater could be disuaded from continuing their insults without
ever having to fire a shot oops I mean flare at them.

That's a 911 call in my book.

(Are there pirates on Lake Ontario?)

Only at the marinas and fuel docks.

BOO!!

you chicken**** *******.

now, go cry your eyes out.

(Craig)
Date: 10/17/2004 9:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

You can buy flair shells that are loaded with a powerful pepper spray
and you can have flair shells loaded with lead if you know someone
privately that can do it right, I have both and my guns are the heavy
duty metal type..My safety out there is my responsibility, nobody is
going to protect me but me, there is no 911..For those of you that
refuse to arm yourselfs please do not advertise it on the web, that is
just stupid. Goto www.firequest.com ,,catalog/flair...

rhys wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:33:10 GMT, "Garuda" wrote:

Assuming dead men tell tales.

Isn't that the basis of all those forensics-based cop shows on TV
lately? Dead men are responsible for hundreds of scripts a year, it
seems. Even the "floaters".

R.

Most gunnuts
(your term) are normal folks.

no, they are not at all normal. They are the short sticks and those who
believe themselves to be short sticks.

you know, the guys who can't get laid but even by the fat chicks.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:25:42 +0200,
Jelle wrote:
Craig wrote:

You can buy flair shells that are loaded with a powerful pepper spray
and you can have flair shells loaded with lead if you know someone
privately that can do it right, I have both and my guns are the heavy
duty metal type..My safety out there is my responsibility, nobody is
going to protect me but me, there is no 911..For those of you that
refuse to arm yourselfs please do not advertise it on the web, that is
just stupid. Goto www.firequest.com ,,catalog/flair...

Although you probably are a typical & dangerous gunnut, the product might
be usefull.
The correct link is: http://www.firequest.com/catalog/flares.html

Personally I'd look for something that protects me while I am sleeping
etc. Not something I have to have within reach, as that can only increase
the uneasiness. You cannot feel safe if you have to have a weapon nearby
all the time, and that defeats the whole purpose of sailing.
Something like a high voltage wire around the outside of the boat, that
would produce a non-lethal shock when touched and turns on some lights &
sounds. You'd have to make sure you don't get false alarms though, an
anchorage with every five minutes a car-alarm going off would not be very
enjoyable. And frying the local boys that want to sell you some bread will
also be frowned upon, i'd guess.


I don't feel comfortable unless there's a fire extinguisher close to
hand, does that defeat the point of sailing?

--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"`If there's anything more important than my ego around, I
want it caught and shot now.'"
-- Zaphod