"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
Agreed, but I'm not sure that even a .410 shell fired out of an
Orion plastic gun would be safe. All the adapters I saw used
.410 shells and fit into a 25mm gun.



"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
From what I understand a flare will generally bounce off the chest of a
person. Not a good weapon. You can purchase an insert that will
accomodate a .410 shell to be used in a 25mm flaregun, but not the
cheezy plastic flare guns.

Doug
s/v Callista


I even have doubts about the orange plastic guns holding up for more
than about 6 flares but you have to try them out because Orion has had
so many bad ones that wont fire. The only way you could use one of
htese as a weapon would be if your enemy obliged you by dousing
himself with gasoline. Other than that, your best bet would be to
just throw the gun at him.
"Steve Schwartz" wrote in message
news:yL ...
I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake
Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was told by
West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are "weapons."
Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it shoot
regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a danger
to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd appreciate any
info?

--
Steve

--

BF:

Huh?

If you want my opinion, a flare from a 12 guage Orion wouldn't stop
anybody. Even fired in the boat (no gasoline), it wouldn't do much as
you could quickly put it out. Now, the 25 mm flares, i dunno.
It would be very easy to make a 12 guage flare gun that could fire 410
shells. I know little about firearms but I imagine a real 12 guage
shell would jerk a lightweight flare gun out of your hands even if it
didnt blow up.

I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a flare gun
setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to me I was
in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel cactus. It
blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best but in most
countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a hurry. I
would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as this one
in my opinion.



I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake
Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was told by
West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are "weapons."
Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it shoot
regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a danger
to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd appreciate any
info?

--
Steve

--

BF:

Huh?

If you want my opinion, a flare from a 12 guage Orion wouldn't stop
anybody. Even fired in the boat (no gasoline), it wouldn't do much as
you could quickly put it out. Now, the 25 mm flares, i dunno.
It would be very easy to make a 12 guage flare gun that could fire 410
shells. I know little about firearms but I imagine a real 12 guage
shell would jerk a lightweight flare gun out of your hands even if it
didnt blow up.

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

Doug
s/v Callista

"RWKxxx" wrote in message
...
I spent 14 yrs cruising central and South America and always had a flare
gun
setting were I could get to it fast. When this was first suggested to me I
was
in Mexico and took a flare gun ashore and aimed it at a big barrel cactus.
It
blew a hole half way through it. A flare gun might not be the best but in
most
countries it is legal and you can put it were you can get it in a hurry. I
would hate to be shot with one. The other options are not as good as this
one
in my opinion.



I have a little flare pistol on my boat (in New York State, Lake
Ontario). I believe this is required by US Coast Guard. I was told
by
West Marine that we cannot take these to Canada as they are
"weapons."
Is this true? Can this pistol be used as a weapon? Can it shoot
regular shot gun shells? Are the flare shells lethal? Is it a
danger
to anyone? Does anyone know anything about this? I'd appreciate any
info?

--
Steve

--

BF:

Huh?

If you want my opinion, a flare from a 12 guage Orion wouldn't stop
anybody. Even fired in the boat (no gasoline), it wouldn't do much as
you could quickly put it out. Now, the 25 mm flares, i dunno.
It would be very easy to make a 12 guage flare gun that could fire 410
shells. I know little about firearms but I imagine a real 12 guage
shell would jerk a lightweight flare gun out of your hands even if it
didnt blow up.

In "Doug Dotson" writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

And if you don't kill them (him, her, ?) then you might be dead.
If you settle for a knock down, then how fast and how many times
can you reload your flare pistol? You choose.

Doug

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Doug Dotson"
writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

In "Doug Dotson" writes:

You seems to like to kill people. I understand why your teenagers have
to start shooting wildly around when they get into school, perhaps that
is the only time they can do it first.

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

And if you don't kill them (him, her, ?) then you might be dead.
If you settle for a knock down, then how fast and how many times
can you reload your flare pistol? You choose.

Doug

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Doug Dotson"
writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

My teenagers are not teenagers anymore. Not aware that they ever
shot anyone at school. Not aware that GWB has authorized any
sales and use of automatic weapons. The assault weapons that were
banned and are now not banned are not now and never were automatic
weapons. The assault weapons ban had absolutely no affect on
crime. That is why no politician was interested in standing behind
its renewal. GWB had no power in any regard. Laws are made
by Congress, not by the President.

Doug
s/v Callista


"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Doug Dotson"
writes:

You seems to like to kill people. I understand why your teenagers have
to start shooting wildly around when they get into school, perhaps that
is the only time they can do it first.

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

And if you don't kill them (him, her, ?) then you might be dead.
If you settle for a knock down, then how fast and how many times
can you reload your flare pistol? You choose.

Doug

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Doug Dotson"
writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might
knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

Automatic weapons have been illegal for years, and still are for the general
public. The term "assualt weapon" is poorly defined, and was just made up to
ban a few rifles that "looked bad". GWB didn't do anything... the bill
banning those "assualt weapons" hit it's sunset date, and ended without
congress trying to re-enact it. At least they had some sense.

Your misconceptions are just what the anti-gun lobby wants. Sorry you fell
for it.

--


Keith
__
A 'good' return to your slip is one from which you can walk away. A 'great'
return is one after which they can use the boat again.

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message

Of course a flare pistol is not a very efficient weapon if killing the
other person is the only option. I understand why GWB has to free the
sales of automatic assault rifles. You really seems to need them.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

There are only two ways that a flaregun makes a good defensive weapon:

1. You also have a high-pressure hose connected to your fuel system and
can first douse him/her/it with gas or diesel fuel.

OR

2. You can shove the flaregun down his mouth before popping the cap.

Just make sure if you choose (1) that you don't score an "own goal".

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In article ,
Doug Dotson wrote:


And if you don't kill them (him, her, ?) then you might be dead.
If you settle for a knock down, then how fast and how many times
can you reload your flare pistol? You choose.

Doug

"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
...
In "Doug Dotson"
writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

(Lauri Tarkkonen) wrote in message ...
In "Doug Dotson" writes:

Cactuses (sp?) have pretty soft flesh and don't wear clothes. Might knock
someone down but not kill them. The other options will actually kill an
attacker.
Not sure how a flare gun is better?

In many cases it might be better to just knock the attacker down, if you
kill him you might be in real deep trouble.

- Lauri Tarkkonen

I have firedd probably about 24 flares from these things (12 guage)
and there is no way thye coulda put a hole in more than a newspaper.
Maybe this person is using a magnum version (25 mm), dunno.