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dummer than a box of rocks jeffies, I specifically asked you for the entire
code, for you most stupidly quoted just a part of the code to make an incorrect point. go find the entire code, dummy, or shut up. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/3/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a pathetic, little worm you are jaxie. Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have title and section http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...rowse_usc&doci d=Cite:+46USC12110 Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections aren't posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some BoatsUS magazine article. you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a hint, you can google on "United States Code" You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's what I gave you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url. box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show us the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY and ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a non-citizen at ANY time and under ANY condition. please be specific, as your claim is specific. I already did. Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110: Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates ... (c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be operated other than for pleasure. (d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The Law" The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections added, including: Section 12131. Command of documented vessels A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. Section 12151. Penalties .... (e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.-- (1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel (including its equipment) if-- (A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or in applying for documentation of the vessel; (B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently used for the vessel; (C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied or revoked under section 12152 of this title; (D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate endorsement; (E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is operated other than for pleasure; (F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a citizen of the United States ... |
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What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the entire
US Code here on the newsgroup? How about this: http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/browse.html Now, you can show us the part where recreational vessels must be command by citizens. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... dummer than a box of rocks jeffies, I specifically asked you for the entire code, for you most stupidly quoted just a part of the code to make an incorrect point. go find the entire code, dummy, or shut up. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/3/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a pathetic, little worm you are jaxie. Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have title and section http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...rowse_usc&doci d=Cite:+46USC12110 Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections aren't posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some BoatsUS magazine article. you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a hint, you can google on "United States Code" You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's what I gave you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url. box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show us the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY and ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a non-citizen at ANY time and under ANY condition. please be specific, as your claim is specific. I already did. Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110: Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates ... (c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be operated other than for pleasure. (d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The Law" The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections added, including: Section 12131. Command of documented vessels A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. Section 12151. Penalties .... (e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.-- (1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel (including its equipment) if-- (A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or in applying for documentation of the vessel; (B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently used for the vessel; (C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied or revoked under section 12152 of this title; (D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate endorsement; (E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is operated other than for pleasure; (F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a citizen of the United States ... |
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What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the entire US Code here on the newsgroup? ask your wife to help you find it, jeffies. |
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Why don't you post the U.S. Code, Bozo. Perhaps then you could prove your
point! "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... | yes. | | What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the | entire | US Code here on the newsgroup? | | ask your wife to help you find it, jeffies. |
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Why don't you post the U.S. Code, Bozo. Perhaps then you could prove your
point! I was trying to point out, as I did conclusively, that dumb as a box of rocks jeffies found a single paragraph in a BoatsUS mag article and used that quote to "prove" an incorrect point. jeffies spends hours each and every day trying o prove he really, really, really isn't THAT dumb that his wife has to balance the checkbook, even tho she does. |
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jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the
subject. you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class. WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED? A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of certain oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION? The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of the vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought. HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP? Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of holding legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than a minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be non-citizens WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER? Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person gets mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner. |
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And where does this talk about being in command? This discussion is not about
ownership, its about your claim that the operator of a US-documented vessel must be a US citizen. I've agreed, number of times, that owners must be citizens, and that's all this web site talks about. As I've pointed out, the US Code, otherwise known as "the law," specifically says that a recreational vessel may be commanded by a non-citizen. The Boat/US article was simply confirming what I had already posted, but it also explains that a decade ago, the law was different, and recreational were not excluded from the "citizen in command" requirement. The current law, one more time: Title 46 Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates ... (c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be operated other than for pleasure. (d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section 12131, with the wording: A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the subject. you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class. WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED? A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of certain oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION? The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of the vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought. HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP? Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of holding legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than a minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be non-citizens WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER? Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person gets mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner. |
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Jaxie, what are you babbling about? This has nothing to do with ownership. It
has nothing to do with "faked" documentation. It has nothing to with non-citizens trying to circumvent the law. Its very simple. A citizen buys a boat and has it documented, with Recreational endorsement. His spouse, a non-citizen, takes the boat for a day sail and is subjected to a routine boarding ("safety inspection") by the Coast Guard. You have claimed the boat can be seized because it is operated by a non-citizen. The law is quite clear, however; there is no problem in this case. It is also legal to loan the boat to a non-citizen, or to bare-boat charter it. There are two separate issues here. You claimed many times it was illegal for a non-citizen to be in command of a documented recreational vessel. That is clearly false. Now it appears you were so confused you didn't even know what you were talking about! "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jefies, you are lost to this world. even your wife is shaking her head at your stupidity. yo-yo, the non-citizen trying to document/operate a documented boat will lose his boat if caught by the CG. if he documented the boat illegally, then operated it, he would lose it. If you faked documentend then operated it he would lose it. If he fraudulently had a third party claim ownership and/or ownership of a US company and then operated the boat he would lose it if caught. if he claimed chartership but he was the only charterer he would lose the boat. he can charter/operate *your* documented boat, unless of course *you* used his money to buy the boat and he then operated it. jeffies, you are dummer than a box of rocks and the girls in high school who laughed at you have long since forgotten you, even if you haven't forgotten them. now, jeffies, go whimper on your wife's shoulder about all those bad boy jocks making fun of you because you have to think for a some time before you remember that two dimes and nickle make a quarter. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/3/2004 7:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: And where does this talk about being in command? This discussion is not about ownership, its about your claim that the operator of a US-documented vessel must be a US citizen. I've agreed, number of times, that owners must be citizens, and that's all this web site talks about. As I've pointed out, the US Code, otherwise known as "the law," specifically says that a recreational vessel may be commanded by a non-citizen. The Boat/US article was simply confirming what I had already posted, but it also explains that a decade ago, the law was different, and recreational were not excluded from the "citizen in command" requirement. The current law, one more time: Title 46 Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates ... (c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be operated other than for pleasure. (d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section 12131, with the wording: A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United States. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the subject. you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class. WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED? A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of certain oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S. WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION? The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of the vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought. HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP? Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of holding legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than a minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be non-citizens WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER? Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person gets mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner. |
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Jaxie, what are you babbling about? This has nothing to do with ownership.
It has nothing to do with "faked" documentation. It has nothing to with non-citizens trying to circumvent the law. jeffies, you are too stew ped to read the header on this thread. stop embarrassing your wife. |
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