"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
brian, that information was posted -- by me -- three days ago. notice also
that US flagged vessels must be "under the command of" a US citizen (the box
of
rocks stupid jeffie's singular exception for recreational vessels put in
charter service).


You really have a reading problem jaxie, the exception is for ALL recreational
vessels; charterers were simply listed as one group that would benefit;
non-citizen relatives are another.

google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a non-citizen at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

"Jeff -- box of rocks -- Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 12:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
brian, that information was posted -- by me -- three days ago. notice also
that US flagged vessels must be "under the command of" a US citizen (the
box
of
rocks stupid jeffie's singular exception for recreational vessels put in
charter service).


You really have a reading problem jaxie, the exception is for ALL
recreational
vessels; charterers were simply listed as one group that would benefit;
non-citizen relatives are another.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a
citizen of the United States
...

notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a
citizen of the United States
...

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a
citizen of the United States
...

IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and
show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states
ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the
United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of
the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes
a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel
or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and
fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been
denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with
only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not
a
citizen of the United States
...

What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a pathetic,
little worm you are jaxie.

Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have
title and section
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...:+46USC1211 0

Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections aren't
posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the
new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has
passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no
substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and
show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states
ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the
United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of
the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes
a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel
or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and
fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been
denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with
only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not
a
citizen of the United States
...